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5FDP
24th December 2009, 03:54 PM
Just a heads-up for G1 collectors - there are now carded versions (http://www.ioffer.com/i/Transformers-G1-Devastator-KO-Card-Version-Reissue-NEW-134244535) of each G1 Constructicon.

The obvious tell that they are KO's, is the missing text on the right-hand bottom corner for the 'assortment' number e.g. ASST.

I've included pics below for comparison so you can all avoid making a costly mistake -

Original G1 MOSC Scrapper
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/7564/scrappermip.jpg

Recent KO MOSC Constructicons
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5941/700dsc09980.jpg

1989 Chinese Reissue MOSC Scrapper (an official Hasbro release)
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/9527/dscn2003j.jpg

Sky Shadow
24th December 2009, 04:47 PM
Well that's depressing news. Merry Christmas, everybody! :p

Paulbot
24th December 2009, 04:49 PM
Well that's depressing news. Merry Christmas, everybody! :p

My Grandmother gave me Scrapper for Christmas something like 24 years ago. I hope she didn't buy me a KO :o ;)

MV75
24th December 2009, 07:55 PM
The KO also appears to have the rear wheels.

Sky Shadow
24th December 2009, 08:28 PM
The KO also appears to have the rear wheels.

A useful way to identify them. If anyone's Scrapper has rear wheels, it's a knockoff! ;)

loophole
24th December 2009, 08:50 PM
well that sux, i wish they would ko other toys for a change and leave the TF's alone

MV75
24th December 2009, 08:54 PM
Dude, if rainbow brite suddenly got a live action movie and was as popular as TFs for the last 25 years, then we'd be whinging about that being knocked up, opps, knocked off.

Sutton
24th December 2009, 11:40 PM
Meh, these look pretty decent for Knock-Offs. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck etc.


If they show up on Ebay for a decent price, I'll probably pick one up. Certainly don't have a problem buying (high quality) knock-offs if Hasbro/Takara has made no indication they're going to do an official reissue - of course, all they need to do is announce they're going to, and I'll hold off for that one.

SofaMan
25th December 2009, 11:09 PM
If they show up on Ebay for a decent price, I'll probably pick one up.

Just a friendly reminder Sutton - the forum user guide states:



13 - Do not promote or encourage the sale of pirated, unauthorised or any knock-off Transformers toys. Limited awareness of 'fake Transformers' is allowed, to show fans of real Transformers toys what sort of things are being produced. Knock offs have already prevented certain Generation One toys from being reissued, as well as fooling newer fans into thinking they have bought the real thing, cheapening the value and fun of having rare limited edition toys.

While of course you're only suggesting what you might do yourself, some users may interpret that as encouraging their purchase, and that can potentially start a flamewar; it's happened before, and it's not pretty. This issue has been chewed over many times in the past, and as such we mods get a bit touchy about it. The official position of the board is KO = Bad.

Thread such as this are ideal for IDing KOs, but we'd ask that the discussion stuck to "how to ID" issues, rather than a discussion about the merits of KOs.

MV75
26th December 2009, 05:00 AM
You have to wonder though, why after all these years are they finally bringing out a fully chromed and colour accurate KO? I suspect Encore 20. :)

Well, I'd like to hold that hope anyway. :D Yea, I know, they're individual and not a giftbox.

GoktimusPrime
26th December 2009, 10:32 AM
It's not colour accurate. They're still using that bright "lolly" green which is quite different from the duller green on the original. It is a more authentic looking but still not perfect looking counterfeit.

5FDP
27th December 2009, 01:31 PM
You have to wonder though, why after all these years are they finally bringing out a fully chromed and colour accurate KO? I suspect Encore 20. :)

Well, I'd like to hold that hope anyway. :D Yea, I know, they're individual and not a giftbox.

Unfortunately there are also gift sets available - one made by Zhong Jin (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/145767-g1-devastator-box-original-vs-reproduction.html) and the other Kidi Toys (http://highendtfs.com/images/idguide_kt_dev/coloring.jpg). These were released a while back and replicated the chrome and metal parts.

The good news is that if they (Constructicons) were ever released in the Encore line as a gift set, the packaging would be substantially different to the KO's as these are an outright, but poorly executed, copy of the original US gift set released in '85.

AussieJason
29th December 2009, 12:25 AM
I must say these KO's are getting better and better.

It is already hard to distinguish when buying online, now it is reaching the point where it will be hard in person...

Linthart
29th December 2009, 12:53 PM
:S apart from the very new looking card, they're getting pretty ahrd to identify. problem is not all sellers have a light box to take photos with so the lolly colours may be hard to tell. do we see any super obvious tell tale signs? example KO pime had the text in different position and extra cardboard border on the window

5FDP
8th January 2010, 09:46 PM
Here's a couple of the new carded Construction KO's - Scrapper (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470496300&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) and Mixmaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470498477&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). The seller however claims they are "legit".

He's even gone to the trouble of placing a price sticker on Scrapper.

Where he has slipped up majorly is in the bogus 'shill' bidding that's going on. Both items have been bid on exactly the same amount of times (8) and only seconds apart with what appears to be the same amounts. Pleeease :rolleyes:

blackie
8th January 2010, 09:52 PM
Here's a couple of the new carded Construction KO's - Scrapper (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470496300&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) and Mixmaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470498477&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). The seller however claims they are "legit".

He's even gone to the trouble of placing a price sticker on Scrapper.

Where he has slipped up majorly is in the bogus 'shill' bidding that's going on. Both items have been bid on exactly the same amount of times (8) and only seconds apart with what appears to be the same amounts. Pleeease :rolleyes:

i thought the KO's didnt have the assortment number in the bottom lefthand corner, those do. or am i mistaken about the KO's?

5FDP
8th January 2010, 10:04 PM
i thought the KO's didnt have the assortment number in the bottom lefthand corner, those do. or am i mistaken about the KO's?

You're correct, the KO's do not have the assortment number on them. Maybe my eyesight is failing me (old age perhaps), but I even blew those pictures up and thought what looked like text, was just a reflection of where the bubble meets the card :confused:

blackie
8th January 2010, 10:06 PM
You're correct, the KO's do not have the assortment number on them. Maybe my eyesight is failing me (old age perhaps), but I even blew those pictures up and thought what looked like text, was just a reflection of where the bubble meets the card :confused:

so does that mean theyre not KO's?
still shill bid i agree

gamblor916
8th January 2010, 10:09 PM
Here's a couple of the new carded Construction KO's - Scrapper (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470496300&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) and Mixmaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470498477&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT). The seller however claims they are "legit".

He's even gone to the trouble of placing a price sticker on Scrapper.

Where he has slipped up majorly is in the bogus 'shill' bidding that's going on. Both items have been bid on exactly the same amount of times (8) and only seconds apart with what appears to be the same amounts. Pleeease :rolleyes:

He has a Beachcomber which looks legit. How can you tell the 'cons are fake?
The bids might be from someone interested in both.

5FDP
8th January 2010, 10:09 PM
If you are correct and they have the assortment code - they're not KO's.

If I am correct and that's just glare from the bubble on the card (bottom right-hand side) and there is no code, then they are fake.

griffin
8th January 2010, 10:14 PM
Beachcomber doesn't have an autobot sticker on the chest, so should be legit (the fake ones have the Autobot sticker to match the card art).

5FDP
8th January 2010, 10:15 PM
He has a Beachcomber which looks legit.

It is legit. Most of the early minibot KO's (Beachcomber included) had the hole punch in the top-middle of the card so it wouldn't hang straight if put on a peg.

Beachcomber also has a printing error on the back of the card and an incorrect chest sticker on some.

GoktimusPrime
9th January 2010, 09:09 AM
the shade of green on those Constructicons is also more dulled like on the legit ones and not that bright lolly green on KOs. That's a dead give away to me. Someone should post comparison pics of KO and legit G1 Constructicons, cos next to each other you can really see the difference in the shades of green.

I used to have KO Constructicons (was a free gift, I didn't pay for them) - but I'm sure I've thrown them all out since. :/

1AZRAEL1
9th January 2010, 12:01 PM
Well I may go out on a limb to say this, but comparing the scrapper in the auction to 5FDP's on he got recently, there does not appear to be an assortment code, that I can see. Also, in my eyes, it looks like the bubble is too far down like its off the card.

5FDP
9th January 2010, 01:52 PM
I have just sent the seller an email -


"Hi. I am interested in your auction and was wondering if you could send to me or post in your auction a close-up picture of the bottom right hand corner of the card (next to the price sticker). It would be much appreciated."

I'll let eveyone know the response if any.

5FDP
11th January 2010, 07:51 AM
Guys, just an update to the Scrapper (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320470496300&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) and Mixmaster (http://cgi.ebay.com/Transformer-G1-MIXMASTER-Constructicon-Sealed-MISB-MOSC_W0QQitemZ320470498477QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item4a9d87bcad) auctions presently on Ebay - these are legit MOSC G1 Transformers and not the recent KO's that were just released. What this also means is that Blackie has better eyesight than me - well spotted mate :)

The seller has graciously provided a pic of Scrapper and this clearly shows the assortment code on the bottom-right of the card.

I have tried uploading the photo to ImageShack but the site seems to be having problems at the moment.

Both auctions end in about 6 hours and are going for US $72 each. They should fetch between US $200 - US $250 for the condition that they are in.

Bartrim
13th January 2010, 03:48 PM
Is this a KO?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Movie-ROTF-Legend-Size-DEVASTATOR-7-in-1_W0QQitemZ160394095186QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysG ames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item25583 baa52

Just noticed a few in this sellers stuff.

5FDP
13th January 2010, 05:20 PM
Is this a KO?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Movie-ROTF-Legend-Size-DEVASTATOR-7-in-1_W0QQitemZ160394095186QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysG ames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item25583 baa52

Just noticed a few in this sellers stuff.

Although I haven't seen this specific packaging before, ROTF Devastator has been KO'd the most of any character (from the movie). There are KO versions of the supreme class and legends class.

I would be highly suspicious of this one, especially when sellers use the term 'remake'.

langzixinxin
13th January 2010, 05:41 PM
Is this a KO?

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Movie-ROTF-Legend-Size-DEVASTATOR-7-in-1_W0QQitemZ160394095186QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_ToysG ames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN?hash=item25583 baa52

Just noticed a few in this sellers stuff.


My reasoning is,
Seller used a vague word "remake".

And I also checked his other post, most of them KOs.

langzixinxin
13th January 2010, 05:59 PM
I think this one is real:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Transformers-Movie-ROTF-DEVASTATOR-Legends-class-takara_W0QQitemZ150404552041QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2304cf5569


I actually think this seller is selling real stuff, except some third party things. Like WST dinobots.

Bartrim
14th January 2010, 09:22 AM
Thanks for that guys. I took the safe option and decided not to buy it:)

heroic_decepticon
8th April 2010, 10:19 PM
5FDP, I replied here from the April acquisitions thread.

You were right. After careful inspection when I got home, I found the the MOC Hook I bought is indeed a KO.

I include comparison pics here:

Picture of the MOC Hook I recently purchased:
http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/45450/2447420950100811158S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2447420950100811158ngoyyn)

Picture of a knock-off MOC Hook from the auction site selling these KOs (http://www.ioffer.com/i/Transformers-G1-Devastator-KO-Card-Version-Reissue-NEW-134244535):
http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/45157/2125115570100811158S600x600Q85.jpg (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/2125115570100811158qrzMie)

This is why I think my Hook is a KO:

(1) You were right in that in both pictures, the ASST number is missing from the cardback.

(2) I noticed that the KO Hook is missing his chest factory applied sticker just like the Hook I have (that is the part most unlikely to be removed or damaged).

(3) The bubble for my Hook came clean off the cardback because the glue just dried off. And this is typical of all KO versions of Transformers.

(4) On closer inspection, the Hook toy itself is rather poorly constructed compared with my other Constructicons (all of which have the ASST number on their cardbacks) (http://heroicdecepticon.blogspot.com/2010/03/update-constructicons-are-here.html) which I know to be definitely genuine and not KO.

The above backs your initial post here (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=142649&postcount=1).

kup
8th April 2010, 10:26 PM
Wow! Sorry to hear about the KO. I was reading how excited you were of having acquired them.

heroic_decepticon
8th April 2010, 10:30 PM
I'm pretty sad about it too. Now I have to continue looking again. I've emailed the seller to see what he can do. I don't want any KOs in my collection.

I've been really careless this time. Should have checked it out more carefully. :(

5FDP
9th April 2010, 08:38 AM
Sorry to hear that HD. I know how you are with your collection and how proud you are of all your original G1 pieces. I thought you would want to know.

The upside of this is that you've found out now rather than later when prices will be higher for a legit one.

Just out of curiosity, does the seller have other KO's for sale?

Mr Ed
10th April 2010, 09:59 AM
Gee that is expensive for a KO.

I remember last year, at the Brisbane Exhibition (Show), I bought some dodgy KO's that were not badged as Transformer Devastators.

I got them for $20 so I was not too concerned.

Although I would love to buy a Re-issue Devastator if and when released.

heroic_decepticon
22nd April 2010, 05:26 AM
Sorry to hear that HD. I know how you are with your collection and how proud you are of all your original G1 pieces. I thought you would want to know.

The upside of this is that you've found out now rather than later when prices will be higher for a legit one.

Just out of curiosity, does the seller have other KO's for sale?

(sorry late reply, been out of the country and still am)

Seller was fine. Said to send him back the item and he would give me a full refund. I think he has other Constructicons on cardbacks for sale at the same time I bought Hook. He says that he's bought this lot of stuff from eBay a couple of months ago himself...

5FDP
22nd April 2010, 07:16 AM
It sounds as though he was duped as well since he's willing to give you a full refund. Good to hear you got your money back.

I wonder if he will relist the item...

Draksprime
11th October 2010, 09:05 PM
Just received a G1 devastator and not 100% sure if its a real G1 or a KO. The colour is spot on with a original I have back when I was a kid, however my stamp has Hasbro Takara and these have only Takara.

Is there any way to tell the difference, before I blast the seller?

5FDP
11th October 2010, 09:26 PM
Just received a G1 devastator and not 100% sure if its a real G1 or a KO. The colour is spot on with a original I have back when I was a kid, however my stamp has Hasbro Takara and these have only Takara.

Is there any way to tell the difference, before I blast the seller?

You have nothing to worry about. The KO's only have Hasbro stamped on each toy. Below are some comparison pics for you (the ones on the right are the KO's).

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/831/200809201709191.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7599/200809201726221.jpg

Draksprime
11th October 2010, 09:38 PM
Many thanks 5FDP, saved me a lot of stress. I also got a grimlock with takara only stamp so now I'm at peace.

bruticus
15th February 2011, 03:49 AM
this one has no codes on the bottom right of the card, yet the final auction price is redonkulous. :eek:

MOSC G1 Bonecrusher (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110644700061&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com.au%3A80%2F%3F_from%3 DR40%26_npmv%3D3%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D1106447 00061%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1)

is it legit or fake?

Skullcruncher
15th February 2011, 07:45 AM
this one has no codes on the bottom right of the card, yet the final auction price is redonkulous. :eek:

MOSC G1 Bonecrusher (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110644700061&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com.au%3A80%2F%3F_from%3 DR40%26_npmv%3D3%26_trksid%3Dm570%26_nkw%3D1106447 00061%26_fvi%3D1&_rdc=1)

is it legit or fake?

KO for sure.

5FDP
15th February 2011, 10:27 PM
KO for sure.

Yep!

bruticus
15th February 2011, 10:52 PM
damn... hopefully its a shill bidder that won the auction, otherwise i feel sorry for the legitimate buyer.