Bay interview

[Autocon]

http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/02/26/transformers-3-director-michael-bay-testing-3-d-promises-new-characters-a-lot-of-twists/

Make no mistake, "Transformers 3" is coming. It might not have been the best film of 2009, but "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" was a HUGE box office success and moviegoers are always game to see what director Michael Bay will blow up next and how big the explosion is.

Bay appeared on Starz' "In the House" last night and he spent a little time talking about the next installment of Paramount's toy-cartoon-comic book (and now movie) franchise. There had been rumblings around the industry that the filmmaker had plans to direct something before the next "Transformers," and he addressed that first.

"The true story is we went to Vegas to celebrate ['Revenge of the Fallen'] crossing the $400 million mark domestic. I said I'm excited to do my small little movie. They said, well we're here to talk about that. I've become friends with these guys that run Paramount and they [told me,] 'We're going to get fired if we don't have a 2011 franchise,' so I'm like you can't let these guys down."

"The economy's been so rough, it's kind of important. When you say yes to movie like this you automatically give 3000 people jobs. 1000 for the toys. 2000 for the filmmaking. I'm going to put [the small film] on hold and do it right after ['Transformers 3']."

So for now, Bay is focused on bringing us more of that Autobots vs. Decepticons conflict. When giant robots fight, Earth is the only guaranteed loser. But we audiences get to see tons of s--t explode, so it's cool. Bay's plans to keep things fresh include one simple idea: more.

"You can't just rehash the old," he explained. "We're adding a lot of new elements. We're adding new characters. We're adding a lot of twists." Characters? Twists? "Transformers" fans-- let your speculation begin!

Of course, it wouldn't be a chat about an upcoming effects-heavy blockbuster without some discussion of 3-D. Anyone who doesn't think "Avatar" changed the game needs to pay more attention: everyone's been talking about it, considering it, putting plans into action, Bay included.

"It's a process we're testing with some 'Transformers' scenes," he said. "How successful it is with my movie in terms of a lot of real stuff coming out of the frame, real dirt, real complicated little particles coming towards the lens, because hopefully that process will work. I've seen some tests that look great on other movies. I just want to see how it looks on my footage."

What franchise elements do you want to see in the third "Transformers" movie? Should it be in 3-D?

[Robzy]

Wish he cared about the fans as much as he cares about the Paramount excecs! :rolleyes:

[SMHFConvoy]

"You can't just rehash the old," he explained. "We're adding a lot of new elements. We're adding new characters. We're adding a lot of twists." Characters? Twists? "Transformers" fans-- let your speculation begin!

But that's just doing what he did in ROTF. WHAT TWISTS? New characters? So someone else gets to walk around with pants down asking for some tp?

A twist for me is if they fire Bay off the project and hire JJ Abrahms or McG to direct.

[Gutsman Heavy]

McG? Blah, Salvation was horrible.

[SMHFConvoy]

I didn't mind it. There were a lot of call backs to the first 3 films. Actually it slavishly called back to them. Look anyone other than Bay would be an improvement.

[Grievous]

Warning: Fanboy Idea

How about a "factional war" between the Decepticons on
Earth with the autobots and humans caught in the middle.

With the Fallen dead, Shockwave leads a new Decepticon faction (Triple Changers?) to destroy Megatron and claim leadership. Megatron and Starscream gather a new army (Combaticons?) and an all out war begins across the planet. The Autobots have no choice but to call in reinforcements which include Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack and of course the greatest Autobot warrior of all time...Omega Supreme.

Fanboy Idea Over

[SMHFConvoy]

Warning: Fanboy Idea

How about a "factional war" between the Decepticons on
Earth with the autobots and humans caught in the middle.

With the Fallen dead, Shockwave leads a new Decepticon faction (Triple Changers?) to destroy Megatron and claim leadership. Megatron and Starscream gather a new army (Combaticons?) and an all out war begins across the planet. The Autobots have no choice but to call in reinforcements which include Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack and of course the greatest Autobot warrior of all time...Omega Supreme.

Fanboy Idea Over
Why even bring Shockwave in. TF always had a rift in the Decepticon ranks. How about Starscream finally waging a coup d'etat with the combaticons as his elite guard.

Or just do what they're doing with Spiderman and reboot the franchise.

[Grievous]

Why even bring Shockwave in.
Cause I like Shockwave...
;)


How about Starscream finally waging a coup d'etat with the combaticons as his elite guard.
That could work...
:D

[SofaMan]

The great tragedy of this discussion is that you are all raising ideas. 'Ideas' are not really Bay's thing.

Bay's film production is about 2 words - NEW and MORE. Never mind that old or less might produce a better story, that's not what it's about for Bay.

[SMHFConvoy]

The great tragedy of this discussion is that you are all raising ideas. 'Ideas' are not really Bay's thing.

Bay's film production is about 2 words - NEW and MORE. Never mind that old or less might produce a better story, that's not what it's about for Bay.
A point that has been raised many times in South Park

[GoktimusPrime]

How about a "factional war" between the Decepticons on
Earth with the autobots and humans caught in the middle.
Like this (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/...All_This_and_Civil_War_2)? ;)


The great tragedy of this discussion is that you are all raising ideas. 'Ideas' are not really Bay's thing.
Unless the ideas are coming from teenage boys. According to Bay in the ROTF DVD Special Features, he got the idea of shooting Mikaela straddling over the motorbike after a conversation with some teenagers at a store.

Unfortunately appealing to the lowest common denominator works really well for Bay. My brother's fiancée told me that when they saw ROTF in a London cinema, almost every guy wolf-whistled really loudly at that scene. (-_-)

Of course, a good director is able to make a film that is _both_ entertaining (without needing to be crass) *and* have a really interesting story. e.g.: Miyazaki Hayao. I love how movies like Spirited Away, seemingly simple, is actually incredibly deep and meaningful.


Bay's film production is about 2 words - NEW and MORE. Never mind that old or less might produce a better story, that's not what it's about for Bay.
Funny when you compare the original Star Wars trilogy with the prequel trilogy. The original movies, made with miniatures and puppets, are widely considered to be vastly superior to the prequels that were made with state-of-the-art digital effects. :)

Special effects are nothing more than a tool to tell a story. A lot of great stories have been told with nothing more then words printed on paper, and were already quite successful in their own right as books long before film adaptations were made (e.g.: William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, J.R.R. Tolkien, Jane Austen, Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, C.S. Lewis, Edgar Allan Poe, Harper Lee, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells et al.) -- Homer's Odyssey and the Iliad were written some 28 centuries ago yet are still widely considered to be literary classics today.

Having said all that, I find the special effects in Transformers and ROTF to be really well done! :D


Of course, it wouldn't be a chat about an upcoming effects-heavy blockbuster without some discussion of 3-D. Anyone who doesn't think "Avatar" changed the game needs to pay more attention: everyone's been talking about it, considering it, putting plans into action, Bay included.
Umm... there's already been some influence between Transformers and Avatar with that "roaming 3D virtual capture camera" -- I dunno what the real name for it is, but both Michael Bay and James Cameron used it for ROTF and Avatar. It's about the size of a steering wheel with a screen in the middle and two handles on either side. They hold it like the Matrix and walk around an empty space while the camera tracks the movement and allows the director to move the camera in virtual space.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/Photocomic%20Faith/photocomic_faith17.jpg

[Robzy]

Umm... there's already been some influence between Transformers and Avatar with that "roaming 3D virtual capture camera" -- I dunno what the real name for it is, but both Michael Bay and James Cameron used it for ROTF and Avatar.I call it a James Camera! ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

Bay's film production is about 2 words - NEW and MORE. Never mind that old or less might produce a better story, that's not what it's about for Bay.
Another thought: when you mention achieving a better story with less, the first director that came to my mind was Miyazaki Hayao. Movies like Spirited Away seem simple enough but are really quite deep and complex. I love how the most pivotal moment in Princess Mononoke was just a single word* whispered by the protagonist (Ashitaka) in under one second. It's so quick and subtle that if you blinked you would have missed it. :)

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*(massive Mononoke spoiler) As San plunges her knife toward Ashitaka's throat he weakly whispers, 生きろ ("live") which halts San's attack and drives a river of emotions into her (and the audience)

[OrionPax]

Of course, it wouldn't be a chat about an upcoming effects-heavy blockbuster without some discussion of 3-D. Anyone who doesn't think "Avatar" changed the game needs to pay more attention: everyone's been talking about it, considering it, putting plans into action, Bay included.

I thought Bay was against 3d?

[kup]

I thought Bay was against 3d?

He is against lots of things but then he begins praising them by the next week.

Transformers will never be released on Blue Ray!

[OrionPax]

I think that 3d is cool but I'd prefer the time spent on a better plot rather than 3d

[Lord_Zed]

Another thought: when you mention achieving a better story with less, the first director that came to my mind was Miyazaki Hayao. Movies like Spirited Away seem simple enough but are really quite deep and complex. I love how the most pivotal moment in Princess Mononoke was just a single word* whispered by the protagonist (Ashitaka) in under one second. It's so quick and subtle that if you blinked you would have missed it. :)


But this is an issue with all modern blockbusters, which assume everyone wants more, more explosions more gun cam, more kung fu, fist fights. Much as I enjoyed the new Star Trek movie (with it's crash the time ship into the badguys ship climax), I though the ancient Star trek 2 (with it's 1 on 1 submarine inspired star ship battle) and the not quite as venerable Star trek 6 (with that one torpedo) had more tense climaxes. Generally the pivotal moment in most block busters always boils down to a long winded fist fight or other battle between the protagonist and antagonist, and just when it seems the protagonist is on the back foot they use that tricky move to win. I guess we all crave it and need it, but this formulaic approach does get kinda dull after a while, particularly in the subsequent viewings.

Of late I thought The Dark Knight, Watchmen and District 9 broke away from the standard Formula a bit, most other recent block busters (while some were quite good) to me were just going through the motions.




McG? Blah, Salvation was horrible.

+1

I thought that movie was very much going through the motions, and it also seemed to lack the visceral energy of the first 2 films.

[GoktimusPrime]

I still haven't seen Watchmen yet (someone insisted that they'd lend me the comic to read first before viewing it *cough* ;)) -- but I did really enjoy Dark Knight and District 9. :)

[kup]

I still haven't seen Watchmen yet (someone insisted that they'd lend me the comic to read first before viewing it *cough* ;)) -- but I did really enjoy Dark Knight and District 9. :)

I could have brought my book to the fair but didn't know :(

[SMHFConvoy]

I still haven't seen Watchmen yet (someone insisted that they'd lend me the comic to read first before viewing it *cough* ;)) -- but I did really enjoy Dark Knight and District 9. :)
Actually Watchmen showcases Dr Manhattan's story more than the graphic novel. The source material is more focused on Rosarch. The movie while hitting a lot of the stories beats is it's own thing. Alan Moore wrote Watchmen because he wanted to explore narrative tools that comics only have. Which is why the graphic novel is so dense.

(In Alan Moore's opinion)It was never intended to be adapted to film.

[SofaMan]

(In Alan Moore's opinion)It was never intended to be adapted to film.

This is off-topic, and your paraphrasing of Moore is accurate. However, people adapt stories to different media all the time (H2G2 was a radio play before it was a book, TV show, movie, video game or towel, and each had significant differences from what came before), and Zack Snyder did a respectful workmanlike job of adapting Watchmen.

While I can and do respect Moore's refusal to be involved in its production or accept money from it, I sometimes think he is a tad too precious about other people translating his stories to other media.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Moore is a crazy hobo

[SMHFConvoy]

This is off-topic, and your paraphrasing of Moore is accurate. However, people adapt stories to different media all the time (H2G2 was a radio play before it was a book, TV show, movie, video game or towel, and each had significant differences from what came before), and Zack Snyder did a respectful workmanlike job of adapting Watchmen.

While I can and do respect Moore's refusal to be involved in its production or accept money from it, I sometimes think he is a tad too precious about other people translating his stories to other media.
Yeah it went off topic. Sorry about that. My point was that Gok shouldn't feel that he needs to read the source material (Watchmen) to enjoy the film. Zack Snyder did a great job but in doing so he sort of changed the focal character from Rosarch to Manhattan.

In short Gok see the film. Borrow the graphic novel later.

[GoktimusPrime]

kay, thanks SMHFConvoy. :)

[kup]

I personally believe that you get more out of both if you read the comic first but that's me.

[SofaMan]

Yeah it went off topic.


I was apologising about my off-topicness. :D

[SofaMan]

I personally believe that you get more out of both if you read the comic first but that's me.

+1

[Gutsman Heavy]

I saw the film first, book second. I recommend the film first.

[SMHFConvoy]

I was apologising about my off-topicness. :D
And I was appologising for my off topicness too

[SofaMan]

And I was appologising for my off topicness too

Good - as long as you didn't think you were being chastened or anything. I like a little bit of off-topic meself. :)