How many G1 toys are in total?

[kup]

Looking around the net I couldn't find anywhere that would tell me the total number of released US G1 toys so I decided to do my own count :)

The purpose of this thread is to get a solid count on how many US G1 toys were released during 1984 to 1990. It also serves the purpose of people finding this thread when they are googling for a number count.

Parameters used in this count:
>The '+2' represents S.T.A.R.S and Time Warrior - They are optional counts
>Minispies and decoys are not part of the count
>Reflector is counted as one rather than three
>Gestalts are not counted, only individual toys as the gestalt is formed by them rather than a separate toy.
>Micromaster Patrol members are counted as individuals not Patrol teams.
>Both halves of a Micromaster Combiner squad vehicle are counted as one (eg Astro Squad is counted as '3' rather than '6')

'84 Autobots-19 Decepticons-10 Total: 29
'85 Autobots-31+2 Decepticons-19 Total: 50+2
'86 Autobots-31 Decepticons-25 Total: 56
'87 Autobots-29 Decepticons-23 Total: 52
'88 Autobots-28 Decepticons-33 Total: 61
'89 Autobots-31 Decepticons-26 Total: 57
'90 Autobots-42 Decepticons-26 Total: 68

Grand Total: 373+2

Please feel free to correct any counting errors I may have made (I am sure there are errors!) and if someone is inclined do so, please add a Euro and Japanese count :)

[GoktimusPrime]

Okay, I'm assuming you're not counting variants, including the Takara and Hasbro versions of Fortress Maximus. So I'm just gonna count different toy-characters like Browning, Soundblaster, the Godmasters etc. but I'm not including Headmaster Warriors like Rodney, Kirk etc. I'm also not including "peripheral robots" like Metrodash and Metroshot (repaints of Scamper and Sixgun).

Japanese and Australasian/European count:
1987 Autobots: 13 Decepticons: 1 Total: 14
1988 Autobots: 15+3 Decepticons: 17+6 Total: 29+9
1989 Autobots: 13 Decepticons: 15 Total: 28
1990 Autobots: 17+28 Decepticons: 2+4 Total: 19+32
1991 Autobots: 22 Decepticons: 7+1 Total: 29+1 (omitted: Micro Trailers)
1992 Autobots: 39+4 Decepticons: 11+4 Total: 50+8
1993 Autobots: 11 Decepticons: 7 Total: 18

Notes
> +3 = Phoenix, Lander and Cab's toys are identical to Cloudburst, Landmine and Hosehead, although technically they are different characters.
> +6 = Targetmaster Seacons. Toys are the same though technically different characters.
> +28 = Micromasters toys that were identical in both markets (e.g.: Rescue Patrol, Moon Radar etc.) though technically different characters.
> +4 = Race Car Patrol, JP version of Race Track Patrol. Same toys, probably different characters.
> +1 = Hasbro Overlord; depends if you want to count this slight variant separately or not
> +4 = Road team; same toys as the small Turbomasters. Different names/personas.
> +4 = Jet team; same toys as the small Predators. Different names/personas.

Grand Total: 187+50

So if we combine this with the total from your count kup, we would get:
Combined Total: 560+52

[kup]

Cool, thanks Gok.

[liegeprime]

I thought you were only counting the US released ones:p

Did you get to count the 3 mail away cars in the count - Overdrive, Downshift and Camshaft?

[kup]

Did you get to count the 3 mail away cars in the count - Overdrive, Downshift and Camshaft?

Yep, I did.

I did a US G1 only count but Euro and Japanese counts are also welcome.

[heroic_decepticon]

nice work guys!

[Autocon]

:eek::eek::eek: glad i dont collect G1!

so does anyone own 560 tf G1?

[canofwhoopass_87]

:eek::eek::eek: glad i dont collect G1!

so does anyone own 560 tf G1?

Not me...but I'm sure many of us wish we did :p

[liegeprime]

:eek::eek::eek: glad i dont collect G1!

so does anyone own 560 tf G1?

Certainly not me, Im only collecting up to the US released,....Im only technically missing 2 so far, then Im considering my collection complete from there... if I happen to get any Jap exclusives, that's just a bonus. Maybe bossbot?

[kup]

I am only aiming for US G1 too. I do collect the Euro and Japanese releases but I have no intention to 'collect 'em all'. I only grab the ones that have some sort of appeal to me or opportunity buys. Aside from that, I will regard my G1 collection complete once I finish with the US line but still pick up the odd Euro or Japanese toy when the opportunity arises.

I did something similar with Beast Wars - Once I got all the show characters, I considered my BW collection as complete. The 'extra' toys I have gotten have been either opportunity buys or specific non-show/Japanese releases which appealed to me.

[Starscream212]

:eek::eek::eek: glad i dont collect G1!



second that!


i wonder if movieverse will have more than 560?

[GoktimusPrime]

I don't blame you guys for not wanting to collect G1. If I had to start collecting G1 now I wouldn't bother.


so does anyone own 560 tf G1?
I have 525 G1 Transformers. Although that's according to the Universal Counting Method and not the counting parameters that kup established for this thread. It's mostly similar but there are some differences like I count Reflector as 3 not 1, and Blackout and Spaceshot count as 2 not 1. According to the parameters of this thread I would have 388 G1 TFs

[dirge]

Counting the Seacons etc twice could be considered a little pedantic unless one collects MISB. Which we all know Gok would never do! (:

[kup]

This count is not about how many toys are in a collection but how many toys are in the line. You wouldn't count the gestalts because they are not an extra toy, they are made up from the individual combiner team members.

[dirge]

No, I'm referring to counting both the US Seacons and the Japanese Seacons. Along with say, both Cab & Hosehead... etc...

[GoktimusPrime]

kup: I know, and I'm not questioning the counting criteria for this thread at all. But in order to make a meaningful comparison with the "total number of G1 TFs" as calculated here I would have to make sure that my count adheres to the parameters of this thread. Anyway, I've done a quick recount according to the rules of this thread, so I've removed a lot of stuff that counts under UCM but doesn't count here like variants. There's also stuff from my own personal "Gokiverse" method of classification that had to be removed too, for example I include e-Hobby exclusives as part of G1 (I see it as 'retconned G1', so for example I have Road Rage and Crosscut on my 1985 G1 Autobot shelf/list and they had to be discounted for the purposes of this thread).

So I came to 392 G1 Transformers which means that my total G1 collection is 69% complete - but that is of course including Japanese G1 which I have no intention of ever completing.

According to thread parameters the total number of Hasbro G1 TFs (1984-1993) would be 435. So this means that my Hasbro G1 TF collection is 90% complete. :)

[kup]

Yeah I understand that you understand :) I was just making it clear for the purpose of this thread.

Like you, I also consider 'G1 Universe' toys like E-hobby as part of my G1 collection. I display them with my G1 toys where space allows mostly based on 'fictional universe' classification than actual toy release - Naturally given display space being a bit of a luxury, I can't follow that strictly.

[kup]

No, I'm referring to counting both the US Seacons and the Japanese Seacons. Along with say, both Cab & Hosehead... etc...

Although the characters are different, the toys are exactly the same. I take it as 'the Japanese fictional take on that toy' for simplification, kind of how the G1 Swoop toy represents both the vastly different characterization from the cartoon and comic.

So only the Japanese toys that are physically different from their US G1 counterpart can have a separate count but not toys that are identical. This would also cover the issue that loose toys represent. Most of my 1988 Pretenders were bought loose so I have no idea if 'The bat Pretender guy' was originally Bomburst or Blood. However those toys painted different to their counterparts (eg Dreadwind and Buster) count as separate due to distinction.

In the case of Seacons, they are identical toys to the US counterparts as far as I know, so they don't have a separate count.

[heroic_decepticon]

I like this counting method kup.

I won't have anywhere near to 100% of G1 because I have no intentions of starting, much less completing 1990 (AMs just don't do it for me; Pretenders and MMs are about as far as I'll let myself go).

[liegeprime]

Just a query? In the 1984 count - there's 19 autobots, but Ive counted from catalogs to the Identification guide, to memory there's only 18.. who's the 19th? Bumper?

coz theres.
Optimus Prime
Wheeljack
Trailbreaker
MIrage
Ratchet
Ironhide
Sunstreaker
Sideswipe
Jazz
Bluestreak
Prowl
Hound
Gears
Bumbleebee
Cliffjumper
Windcharger
Brawn
and Huffer
Also I get a variant count on
1987 autobots - I count only 28 ( including the TM versions of Kup, Hotrod and Blurr :confused: who's the 29th?
1988 Decepticons - 32 only instead of 33 - Overlord?

[kup]

In 84 the 19th Autobot is indeed Bumper/Bumblejumper.


I'll get back to you on the others later as I am falling asleep at the moment :) but remember that i did say that there could be errors. I will verify them tomorrow.