Member Listing and Rankings changed

[griffin]

Ozformers Ranks
Thought of something at work last night, and wanted to test it out.

Similar to the toy Techspecs, I'm giving the existing user titles an additional 'Rank' number, to not only make it easier to see how the different status/functions relate to each other, but to also inspire the junior/newer members to work their way up the rankings without it looking like a big leap to the next user-status. If there are several rankings instead of the two main ones (Member and Deluxe Member), it shouldn't look like a 2-class society here, which sometimes leads to the junior members feeling intimidated or feeling like they are being talked-down to (and used to happen occasionally in the past).
It was unintentional, but the Deluxe Members end up having a mid-range 'ranking', so that should help alleviate any perceptions from both sides that DMs are significantly 'better' in some way.

If after a while, there aren't any problems (percieved or reported), I'll leave this Ranking system in place. For now, see what you think.

Explination of the Ranks:

10 - Global Mod (Admin/owner)
9 - Global Mod (more active coverage)
8 - Global Mod (less active coverage)
7 - Section Mod
6 - Deluxe Member (by invitation when earnt - contributes News, Sightings, creative, and/or attends meets)
5 - Special Guest
4 - Member (active and contributes to the forum)
3 - Member (new or not very active)
2 - Distant Spark & Probationary
1 - Protoform (just registered)

People may be moved between Ranks 3 and 4 depending on how active they are (a long term evaluation, as I don't have the time to be adjusting people's rankings every day).

(at this point in time, the 'Active Member' Rank (4) is the only one not already in use, and since people need to be moved manually to different usergroups/titles, all 'Members' will initially appear as 'Rank 3' - it will take me a little time to move people into the 'Active' Usergroup)


Member Listing
The main Member Listing page (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/memberlist.php)has also been changed to include more info about each of the members (Ranks 2-10) without having to look at their profile pages.
Only Ranks 2-10 are included in the listing.

(I just realised that the new 'ranking system' makes it so much easier to refer to several usergroups at once)

[Deonasis]

Sounds good. Have you decided how these will be represented in with the post'ers details?

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

It should go up to 11.:D

On a serious note, this strikes me as not your greatest idea ever Chief. A lot of what makes this place as good as it is is the fairly egalitarian approach we have - besides the necessary security stuff (protoforms etc) and the obvious difference between yourself as owner and the mods (who to all of your credit have never lorded your modly powers and/or status, and engage as just fellow fans except when the mod hat needs wearing - kudos to you all as ever), and to an extent DMs (though I haven't seen any positioning going on there either - again kudos to you guys for keeping a lid on it) it really is about as equal and respectful-to-all forum as I've seen on the figurative battleground that often is the internet. Adding numbers and degrees to the already adequate (IMO) system you have seems a bit unnecessary, and may encourage 'jockeying for rank' amongst people (especially people who aren't used to such a level playing field per se) so inclined who might otherwise just contribute.
I guess what I'm really getting at is that we have very little - if any - in the way of board politicking going AFAIK, and this has the potential to be a catalyst for that sort of thing rather than play a minimising role.

Of course, it's your baby and your call (and I'm sure you don't make decisions about how you run the place lightly), and it may well not happen like that at all, but it strikes me as a very real possibility. You'd probably get the same result just by renaming Deluxe Member to Contributing/Active/Established Member or something similar.[/my2cents]

[5FDP]

Just a suggestion - instead of numerical rankings, how about we use something like -

Minicon: Protoform (just registered)
Legends Class: Distant Spark & Probationary
Scout Class: Member (active and contributes to the forum and / or new or not very active)
Deluxe Class: Deluxe Member (by invitation when earnt - contributes News, Sightings, creative, and/or attends meets)
Voyager Class: Section Mod
Ultra Class: Global Mod (less active coverage)
Leader Class: Global Mod (more active coverage)
Supreme Class: Global Mod (Admin/owner)

This would make it more Transformer themed while still keeping the Deluxe Members on a mid-range 'ranking'.

Special Guests would remain unchanged and could slot in where ever deemed appropriate.

[Sky Shadow]

Cool. And can I have Firepower 10 too? <Pew! Pew! Pew! Kaboom!>

(Sorry, I think I was possessed by Kuzzy's Ghost there for a moment. :p)

[Bartrim]

I gotta agree with odie. I think it's cool but we must be careful people don't go on power trips, belittling other members with lower rankings

[dirge]

I agree with Odie & Bartrim - numbered ranks could cause some to resent being on a lower rung & lead issues with how perception for some. We are a fairly egalitarian bunch, and I think %FDP's suggestion to (re)introduce the TF themed ranks is a good one - although I do think they'd have to be with the actual meaning listed alongside the size class.

[KaRNiV8L PRiME]

Just a suggestion - instead of numerical rankings, how about we use something like -

Minicon: Protoform (just registered)
Legends Class: Distant Spark & Probationary
Scout Class: Member (active and contributes to the forum and / or new or not very active)
Deluxe Class: Deluxe Member (by invitation when earnt - contributes News, Sightings, creative, and/or attends meets)
Voyager Class: Section Mod
Ultra Class: Global Mod (less active coverage)
Leader Class: Global Mod (more active coverage)
Supreme Class: Global Mod (Admin/owner)

This would make it more Transformer themed while still keeping the Deluxe Members on a mid-range 'ranking'.

Special Guests would remain unchanged and could slot in where ever deemed appropriate.

I think this is a great way to rank members giving members more of a TF feel.

Maybe
Botcon Exclusive: Special Guest

[Sky Shadow]

It should go up to 11.:D

One day... an Ozformer shall rise from our ranks... and use the power of the Matrix... to light our darkest hour.

[griffin]

The numbers were aimed at making it easier to identify each group, rather than allowing people to compare themselves against others (which they can already do - but at least this broader spectrum takes out the elitist look of DMs).
Only the staff can ever tell/ask another member to do something or not do something, so if this was perceived as being a means for people to use their ranking against another, then I certainly would change it.
But any title/ranking (like the toy size classes - which is also a good idea) probably isn't going to prevent that behaviour in people who aren't staff, or prevent those ineligible for higher titles/rankings from feeling insignificant.

[1orion2many]

:)I shall be your Starscream Griffin Mwahahahaha:p:D. Oh wait I'm too lazy to run this board, maybe I should compare myself to someone less ambitious like Beachcomber:D

[griffin]

Or how about using a different Techspec value (Strength, Firepower, Skill, etc), so that we get an easy-to-see numbering/ordering system, without it looking like non-staff-members are given an actual 'rank' over other non-staff-members?
(I'm not ruling out the toy size classes idea)

[5FDP]

In my POV, I believe the toy size classes would create less divide between members / DM as there is a less obvious and measurable difference as opposed to a clear number ranking system.

Most members and new members would have at least a basic knowledge of the toy size classes (if not, it can be referenced fairly easily) giving them some idea on how they interact with the board and other fans without drawing lines of clear separation which a numerical method implies.

If any form of 'elitism' does surface on the board, I have complete confidence in our moderators that they can address these issues.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, I see where 5FDP's coming from. I think the problem with using the word "rank" is that people automatically assume that we have a vertical hierarchy here (and thus people of higher rank can "pull rank" over those of lower rank).

And yeah, the first thing I thought of was "Firepower" too :D

Here's a suggestion - why not make it like the Takara reissue G1 tech specs?
For example, griffin could have a total of 80 points which he can then distribute amongst his abilities, which would make it:
STR: 10
INT: 10
SPD: 10
END: 10
RNK: 10
CRG: 10
FPR: 10
SKL: 10
----------
TOT: 80

Then just give lower ranking members less "total" points which they can choose to allocate to various abilities, e.g. dirge might have 70 points to play with, 1orion2many with 60 etc. You could automatically have all the abilities evenly distributed until each user chooses to adjust them in their personal settings. But ultimately only the "Total" score really matters, everything else is just for fun. :)

I have NO idea how to execute this - it's just an idea I pulled out of my proverbial. :p Cos otherwise I'd concur with going back to the Price Points/Size Classes. :)

[griffin]

The numbers thing is probably gonna have to go... Everytime I post, especially in discussion topics, all I see is a 'rank' that makes it look like I'm always right and can never be 'out-ranked' on anything. Not the impression I wanted on myself.
I'll look over the toy class option, and see if it can work just as cleanly, without the side-effects.

[Sky Shadow]

The numbers thing is probably gonna have to go... Everytime I post, especially in discussion topics, all I see is a 'rank' that makes it look like I'm always right and can never be 'out-ranked' on anything.

You'll be outranked if Rapido turns up! ;)

[Jetfire]

The numbers thing is probably gonna have to go... Everytime I post, especially in discussion topics, all I see is a 'rank' that makes it look like I'm always right and can never be 'out-ranked' on anything. Not the impression I wanted on myself.
I'll look over the toy class option, and see if it can work just as cleanly, without the side-effects.

Ahah but you see I'm getting some factional moderators on my side to get the numbers to issue a leadership challenge in a bid to become Prime Moderator! :D

My first action as new Prime Moderator will be to abolish the GST tax on Transformers hurrah!

[dirge]

My first action as new Prime Moderator will be to abolish the GST tax on Transformers hurrah!

Should we be expecting to see your mug on the cover of Women's Day anytime soon?

[Jetfire]

Should we be expecting to see your mug on the cover of Women's Day anytime soon?

There will be a special MAD style fold-out section at the back where you can fold my ear lobes together.

[autobreadticon]

U U D D L R L R D U U U D , this is the combination to unlock level 11 god mode?

[Hammerstorm]

The numbers were aimed at making it easier to identify each group

What ever makes it easier i say.


But any title/ranking (like the toy size classes - which is also a good idea) probably isn't going to prevent that behaviour in people who aren't staff, or prevent those ineligible for higher titles/rankings from feeling insignificant.

and you would be right with that, IMO it would not matter title or number.
some people will 'create'
may encourage 'jockeying for rank' amongst people but really for those people if that is your goal for being on this forum to get to the top, get a job! (it would be better suited there) at some point you have lost the purpose, the very reason why you are here. I for one have never looked upon those with a 'higher rank' here as any authority but more someone i can look to for guidance on an issue or at lest point me in the right direction.
I think what we have lost sight of is the fact that we all here for the same reason to share a passion, a love, a hobby and for some a obsession that is TRANSFORMERS.


But any title/ranking (like the toy size classes - which is also a good idea) probably isn't going to prevent that behaviour in people who aren't staff, or prevent those ineligible for higher titles/rankings from feeling insignificant.

I have never at any point felt insignificant in this forum.

I collect transformers and so do you!

Lucky i have never cared for rank

[dirge]

Lucky i have never cared for rank

Can we interest you in pilotting a rank of "0"? :p

Nah seriously, I don't care for it either, but I know some do take it to heart. Both at the "bottom" and the "top".

[Hammerstorm]

Can we interest you in pilotting a rank of "0"? :p

Nah seriously, I don't care for it either, but I know some do take it to heart. Both at the "bottom" and the "top".

LOL i was thinking more -1 only if i and i alone own it :D

[dirge]

LOL i was thinking more -1 only if i and i alone own it :D

Heh.. tried to change you to a customer title of "-1", but it wont let me save it for some reason. Oh well.

[AussieJason]

Just a suggestion - instead of numerical rankings, how about we use something like -

Minicon: Protoform (just registered)
Legends Class: Distant Spark & Probationary
Scout Class: Member (active and contributes to the forum and / or new or not very active)
Deluxe Class: Deluxe Member (by invitation when earnt - contributes News, Sightings, creative, and/or attends meets)
Voyager Class: Section Mod
Ultra Class: Global Mod (less active coverage)
Leader Class: Global Mod (more active coverage)
Supreme Class: Global Mod (Admin/owner)

This would make it more Transformer themed while still keeping the Deluxe Members on a mid-range 'ranking'.

Special Guests would remain unchanged and could slot in where ever deemed appropriate.

I am not fussed on whether we have rankings or not, but if we do I like this suggestion.

[iceburn]

Member Listing
The main Member Listing page (http://www.otca.com.au/boards/memberlist.php)has also been changed to include more info about each of the members (Ranks 2-10) without having to look at their profile pages.
Only Ranks 2-10 are included in the listing.

bossbot... do you mind moving the fan avatar to the left before the username?

are the instant messaging and homepage necessary?

[griffin]

Heh.. tried to change you to a customer title of "-1", but it wont let me save it for some reason. Oh well.

It should - you probably aren't changing the setting next to it, that allows for custom admin title.

[Hammerstorm]

It should - you probably aren't changing the setting next to it, that allows for custom admin title.

so please (with a cherry on top) try harder :p

[griffin]

bossbot... do you mind moving the fan avatar to the left before the username?

are the instant messaging and homepage necessary?

Moving the Avatar - I think I have to change the coding for that, as the order wasnt listed on the options page. It's on the list of things to do.

Messaging and homepages - I like to see who has them, just like other contact details. It might encourage more to be on instant message programs or list their websites if they have one (like facebook, myspace, other normal websites).

[griffin]

Changed the usertitles to see how they look with a TFs theme.

Using most of the ones 5FDP suggested, these are the current/new titles.

Minicon Class - Protoform/New (just registered)
Legends Class - Member (new or not very active)
Scout Class - Member (active and contributes to the forum)
Deluxe Class - Member (by invitation when earnt - contributes News, Sightings, creative, and/or attends meets)
Voyager Class - Section Moderator
Ultra Class - Global Moderator (less active coverage)
Leader Class - Global Moderator (more active coverage)
Supreme Class - Global Moderator (Admin/owner)
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Distant Spark
Probationary Member
Official Guest
(those last three now don't have classes)


See how that looks/works for a few days...

[Hammerstorm]

I am a Legend woot woot :p

[Hursticon]

Legends Class eh?, well, if it weren't for Classics/Universe 2.0 Cosmos and Warpath I would've asked to be changed to a Micromaster. :p:D

[griffin]

I am a Legend woot woot :p

Not for long, as I still have the Scout Class (active) member class to move people into, which was the 'rank 4'.
It makes everyone that isn't part of the staff, appear to be part of the one group of members (subtly split into 3 sub-groups).

[5FDP]

Looks good Griffin :)

I was going to suggest burger sizes if you gave up on the toy class sizes e.g. junior burger, cheese burger, quarter pounder etc... I'm almost certain you would have gone for that :p You could have been a triple-patty Angus burger :D

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

It works better IMO, though I'll miss the occasional snigger at being a Deluxe Member.:D

Subject to how far you want to take it, you could probably use Overseas Exclusive for Distant Spark, and maybe Limited Edition or Premium for Special Guests. Prototype would work for Probationary.

[liegeprime]

ah yes better than ranks, not elitist in feel. Although is this something that is done per member? Coz I just noticed Paulbot still has only Deluxe Member under his name....

[GoktimusPrime]

Suggestions:

Distant Spark = Human Alliance
Probationary Member = Prototype - or perhaps call this "Mini-Con Class" and change new registrants (current MiniCons) to "Activator Class"?
Official Guest = Masterpiece

[SamLoi888]

Legends Class???
Damn it guys I already have inadequacy problems due to my size.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Suggestions:

Distant Spark = Human Alliance
Probationary Member = Prototype - or perhaps call this "Mini-Con Class" and change new registrants (current MiniCons) to "Activator Class"?
Official Guest = Masterpiece'Activator' is brilliant, as is Human Alliance. Nice one Gok.:)
We could go Knock Off for Banned.;)

[dirge]

It works better IMO, though I'll miss the occasional snigger at being a Deluxe Member.:D


I had one user listed as "World's Smallest Member" for a weekend once :D

[heroic_decepticon]

I had one user listed as "World's Smallest Member" for a weekend once :D

surprise me this weekend :p

[griffin]

Transfered about 85 Legends Members into the 'active' Scout Members group. That covers the most prolific members, most of whom have been active in the last month.
Every couple months I'll transfer Members who have been fairly active here, or I might look at making it an Automatic thing when someone reaches a certain amount of posts.

[Hursticon]

Transfered about 85 Legends Members into the 'active' Scout Members group. That covers the most prolific members, most of whom have been active in the last month.
Every couple months I'll transfer Members who have been fairly active here, or I might look at making it an Automatic thing when someone reaches a certain amount of posts.

Sounds good Griffin.
I like the idea of making it automatic when someone hits a pre-determined number of posts.
Do you think that determining the frequency of posts should also have a baring?, would it be necessary considering it may take ages for some to rise in rank and/or not accurately reflect their actual contributions?
Have I worded that right?

[5FDP]

Just playing devils advocate here - I wouldn't make it automatic on the number of posts because in my view, that would just encourage board spamming for the sake of earning higher classes without actual contribution. My 2 cents worth.

[Deceptic_Optic]

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[1AZRAEL1]

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You make persuasive argument there Optics :p

[Hursticon]

Just playing devils advocate here - I wouldn't make it automatic on the number of posts because in my view, that would just encourage board spamming for the sake of earning higher classes without actual contribution. My 2 cents worth.

Wow :eek:, That was so much better worded than my question, lol, I suppose you get that when your posting at nearly 2:00am in the morning. :p

Griff, what 5FDP said, sorry.


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LOL :p


You make persuasive argument there Optics :p

It's those damn Optics I tells ya!, must... overt gaze... :p

[Deceptic_Optic]

Wow :eek:, That was so much better worded than my question, lol, I suppose you get that when your posting at nearly 2:00am in the morning. :p

Griff, what 5FDP said, sorry.



LOL :p



It's those damn Optics I tells ya!, must... overt gaze... :p

lol ive been holding back on that question for a very long time now...lol im glad i had the opportunity to ask that finally and its good its out of my chest...lol :D

[optimus1]

I also agree - the number of posts someone makes should not be used as an indicator for their ranking/status (not everyone has access to the internet 24/7)

[5FDP]

I suppose you get that when your posting at nearly 2:00am in the morning. :p


There's a 2AM in the morning :eek: :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Just playing devils advocate here - I wouldn't make it automatic on the number of posts because in my view, that would just encourage board spamming for the sake of earning higher classes without actual contribution. My 2 cents worth.

Yeah... quality over quantity. :) Although counting quantity is easier and less time consuming (remembering that board staff are volunteers who give up their own free time to maintain our community) So I can see merits either way.

[dirge]

I also agree - the number of posts someone makes should not be used as an indicator for their ranking/status (not everyone has access to the internet 24/7)

That's okay - it can be manually changed. See Exhibit A - optimus1... :D

(don't worry - I'll reinstate the other 844 posts - just illustrating that post whoring can be easily remedied).

[5FDP]

I also agree - the number of posts someone makes should not be used as an indicator for their ranking/status (not everyone has access to the internet 24/7)

Is there really that much substance in optimus1's sole posting on this board to award him Deluxe Class status :D




That's just mean dirge :p

[dirge]

Is there really that much substance in optimus1's sole posting on this board to award him Deluxe Class status :D


Well, as long as it's more than optics' "." :D



That's just mean dirge :p

Yeah, but I'll change it back once he doth protest (well, notice)

[1AZRAEL1]

Even though you removed his number, one can still search for posts made by him. Could always go to the extreme by deleting them :p

BTW, I'm just kidding :p please don't hurt me :p

[optimus1]

Well, as long as it's more than optics' "." :D



Yeah, but I'll change it back once he doth protest (well, notice)

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:eek:

Does that count as a notice? :p

[dirge]

Does that count as a notice? :p

Sure, why not..