Henkei new Seekers?

[Kyle]

Looks like some could be limited exclusives... :(

http://www.toyhobby.jp/commodity_param/ctc/2/shc/0/cmc/4904810319870/

http://www.ganbo-store.com/news/article_1501_34.jsp



(my source: http://www.hk-tf.com/discuz/upload/viewthread.php?tid=4411&extra=page%3D1)

[Gutsman Heavy]

what does it say?

[Kyle]

what does it say?

We need either Tetsuwan or Goktimus~

[STL]

We need either Tetsuwan or Goktimus~

Really? I never knew those two were so world famous. :p

[Kyle]

You have to ask??? :eek:

Millions of school girls will scream at the sight of them.

Guess you've been living in a cave... :rolleyes:

[jaydisc]

What's today's date?

[kup]

I hope its the green seeker from MTMTE (I think he was Waspinator's Granddaddy) or at least Sunstorm.

[roller]

fingers crossed for the green rainmaker, sunstorm has already been done to death.

Or a purple clone trooper from more then meets the eye

[STL]

those are great ideas but unfortunately the exclusive nature of them mean we all likely will miss out. :(

[roller]

not unless we arm ourselves thoroughly and storm Hasbro, demanding more toys

[Sam]

I could make out the part "Toy Hobby Market 1 year anniversary Transformer" (or something like that), about a limited Transformer.

I asked my wife and she confirmed that it's a Henkei Transformer, and that the website says it's popular (or will be popular).

Afraid our Japanese is rather rusty and we need the likes of Gok or Tetsuwan.

[Pulse]

A legible translation would be much appreciated :) Please, my Japanese speaking friends?

[jaydisc]

According to the text, details will be announced about the specifics of the figure in late May. Until then, all we get is the outline of the Starscream mold.

- http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/toy-hobby-market-announces-transformers-henkei-exclusive-seeker-164695/

[Robzy]

Fingers crossed it's Thundercracker! ;)

[Tallestblue]

Is violence really the answer? I mean, yes you may have to resort to armed robbery* to get Western Classics Seeker Jets, but I doubt Hasbro would appreciate strongamring them to make more.









*TallestBlue does not advocate Armed Robbery or any Violent act in the pursuit of Transformers, We're grown men, and they're toys.

[dirge]

Violence is always the answer. Just ask Brawn! (:

[TheDirtyDigger]

Green Seeker would be cool.:cool:

Violence forcing Hasbro to actually look after fans would be even cooler.:cool::cool::cool:

[TheDirtyDigger]

Translated......

【"Limited product" commercialization of limitation transformation Henkei transformer decision of Toihobemarket the first anniversary 】
Opening the second bounce of the movie to the public is decided in 2009, too and the superman nature series of the transformer that heat is not cooled still. ｢Transformation. Henkei. Transformer｣As for detailed details of the commodity, information is scheduled to be updated on this page after the late-May though neither detailed merchandise information nor the amount of money of ♪ where "Limited product" appears in commemoration of and Toihobemarkettosaitoorpn the first anniversary can be still passed on and be done. To the enjoyment.
Moreover, this project synchronizes with "Wish department store" that handles the transformer commodity.
URL of the wish department store
http://www.ganbo-store.com/index.jsp
It becomes it.
If it is a transformer fan, let's check it by all means.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

You have to ask??? :eek:

Millions of school girls will scream at the sight of them.

Guess you've been living in a cave... :rolleyes:
And then they run in the other direction.:p

Something about the 2009 movie and henkei figure. No actual name has been whipped up. There is some kanji there I don't know, so I will have to get back when I have my dictionary with me.

I'll keep an eye on it. Nothing too exciting yet.

[Soundwarp]

Let's just pray for Clasics 3.0

[MV75]

Let's just pray for Clasics 3.0

Let's just buy hasbro classics 2.0 so they have a market demand to even contemplate a 3.0. :)
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[kup]

I'd rather go for Henkei. I am trusting that Takara won't cut costs for higher profits on the finish like Hasbro likes to do.

[MV75]

But if hasbro doesn't do it, then you won't get your hentai versions. :D
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[kup]

Since Hasbro has placed Classics 2.0 in Universe, I get the vibe from Hasbro that they are not considering them much of a priority and would rather discontinue them but are only releasing them due to fan demand. They don't want to spend much money on them so they are being released within Universe.

Once all of the already developed molds originally intended for Classics are released that would be it for Universe Classics. They won't invest in R & D for future molds.

Takara on the other hand are having the right approach with Henkei by putting them in a line of their own. They have also released their own TF exclusive molds and releases in the past, so they don't always need Hasbro to do release something first.

Since all the Classics molds were developed by Takara, there is a chance that they will follow on with Henkei if the first waves are successful enough, hence a proper Classics 3.0 instead of crap Energon/Cybertron repaints like that Universe Blaster they are releasing.

[Paulbot]

You're right. After Classics 2.0 they wont be making new molds because they will be making the Movie 2 toys. Classics 2.0/Universe is Hasbro continuing to make realistic vehicles in between the two movies.

Once the Movie 2 toys are repainted and repainted as much as they can, the Universe line they should come back again with new toys.

[roller]

Yeah


lets make 2008 the year we teach Hasbro a lesson!

We wont buy your paint , name, chromeless inferior, Universe who should have been Classics toys!


i hope its not another stupid jap toy that you have to be the first in the door of the shop gimmick, or like 10 ever made

[Pulse]

Ooh, Classics 2.0 - Come On Down!!!

What if there was to be a Classics 3.0 down the line? (drools...)
How cool would it be if they used these moulds as classics 3.0 figures:

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06174.jpg

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06168.jpg

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5531/cosmos1dp8.jpg

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06155.jpg

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06169.jpg

& maybe even this :)

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06151.jpg

http://74.53.137.200/images/events/70/r_DSC06171.jpg
Damn I need a mop in here...

[turtle boy]

Ooh, Classics 2.0 - Come On Down!!!

What if there was to be a Classics 3.0 down the line? (drools...)
How cool would it be if they used these moulds as classics 3.0 figures:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1095/662018956_5c64835f07.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1018/661173821_f1f488d00b.jpg

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6131/rdsc06144ej3.jpg

& maybe even this :)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1127/661172619_c605bb23bf.jpg

Damn I need a mop in here...

:o i just got some toilet paper and i was done LOL jk. oh all this talk about classics 2 and all that makes me wanna shoot something,.....


Now, whares mah gun.

[Thanatos]

Forgive my ignorance, but what's that last photo? Obviously that's Shockwave, Cosmos and Arcee but I don't recognize the last one.

[Pulse]

Forgive my ignorance, but what's that last photo? Obviously that's Shockwave, Cosmos and Arcee but I don't recognize the last one.

I believe it's a prototype 6" Titanium War Within Bumblebee.

[kurdt_the_goat]

That protototype Arcee has some child-bearing hips on her alright! Bring it on :P

[Adzma]

That protototype Arcee has some child-bearing hips on her alright! Bring it on :P
http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/img/facepalm.jpeg

:D That aside, I hope it's Thundercracker. Damn BotCon exclusives are too hard to get.

[Bartrim]

http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/img/facepalm.jpeg
.

ROFLMAO:D

[kup]

Those Prototypes were intended for Titanium, not Classics.

However if Hasbro was smart (:rolleyes:) they would release those molds in Universe even if they are made of plastic and not Die cast. Unfortunately Archer now wants to emphasize on only 'realistic' alt modes on any new molds released so the Classic G1 characters that did not have one such as Arcee, Cosmos and Shockwave will not see production.

DAMN YOU ARCHER! :eek:

[roller]

we must overthrow this archer fellow with a revolution, French style, before he ruins everything

[Pulse]

'realistic' alt modes...

Makes me wanna hop on a plane to 1027 Newport Avenue, Pawtucket, in Rhode Island & punch that sap right between the eyes! :mad:

Damn you A. Archer! Damn you to burn for all of eternity! :D

[Paulbot]

The Universe line includes an upcoming Blaster toy that by no definition is a realistic vehicle, so don't count these out just yet. The Arcee looks awful but better than a Chromedome repaint and I'd buy it anyway.

[MV75]

Note what Kup said: "New moulds"

Cybertron Soundwave is not new. ;)

Also wasn't cosmos slated for classics originally while shockwave and arcee were titanium?

I'd have loved a cosmos. They should remould that shocky and arcee for non-titanium production, as it's very obvious that they are very flawed to fit into being made from diecast instead of plastic.
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[Paulbot]

Note what Kup said: "New moulds"

Cybertron Soundwave is not new. ;)

Yeah but I still prefer to look at the energon cube half full. :)


Also wasn't cosmos slated for classics originally while shockwave and arcee were titanium?

I'd have loved a cosmos. They should remould that shocky and arcee for non-titanium production, as it's very obvious that they are very flawed to fit into being made from diecast instead of plastic.

I think that Cosmos toy design has been bounced around a bit from Deluxe to Titanium. Maybe one day.

[kup]

If you look at the toy designs carefuly in those pics, particularly the joints on all of them and Cosmos' arms. They are very much in line with Titanium toy designs.

I could be wrong but I think that there was two versions of Cosmos, 1 for Classics that never saw the light of day not even a Prototype and Titanium which managed to get to the Prototype phase but never made it beyond.

Well, Archer is not a Transformers fan, he has said so himself. He will only see what he percieves to be the 'good' bussiness side of things. Realistic Alt modes in the movie line have worked remarkably well in satisfying both collectors and the general market so as a bussiness man with no fan reasoning, he will go forth with such because is what has made money in the market not because of what he would do as a fan.

However what he doesn't understand (most Corporate bodies don't) is that it normally isn't the case of one or the other but elements of both is what works better. G1 (first 2 years) is an excellent example of this, they had a good amount of realistic alt modes but also sprinkled the line with non realistic ones (Cosmos, Insecticons, Dinobots, etc). This kept variety going for buyers whose preference were withinn the realistic or sci-fi alt modes without overrunning a line with stuff that a portion of the market didn't want like recent toylines have. G1 succeeded in mass appeal because costumers had a choice that included a balance of both the realistic and Sci-Fi appealed to all without overwhelming neither. As we all know, G1 begun to go down when they concentrated too much in single elements (sci-Fi) in latter years and later on when they tried to cash in the success of other toy lines by mimicking them (Micromaster - Micromachines & Action Masters - Mask)

Like all things that succeed in life, its never an issue of one or the other, its an issue of striking a good balance which Hasbro seems to be failing at totally grasping since the release of Action Masters.

Edited for awful Grammar

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

But if hasbro doesn't do it, then you won't get your hentai versions. :D
Aren't kissplay already the hentai versions:eek::D?




I could be wrong but I think that there was two versions of Cosmos, 1 for Classics that never saw the light of day not even a Prototype and Titanium which managed to get to the Prototype phase but never made it beyond.I remember seeing some concept sketches of a cosmos that looked better than that titanium look-a-like mould. So I would back this up.




However what he doesn't understand (most Corporate bodies don't) is that it normally isn't the case of one or the other but elements of both is what works better. G1 (first 2 years) is an excellent example of this, they had a good amount of realistic alt modes but also sprinkled the line with non realistic ones (Cosmos, Insecticons, Dinobots, etc). This kept variety going for buyers whose preference were withinn the realistic or sci-fi alt modes without overrunning a line with stuff that a portion of the market didn't want like recent toylines have. G1 succeeded in mass appeal because costumers had a choice that included a balance of both the realistic and Sci-Fi appealed to all without overwhelming neither. As we all know, G1 begun to go down when they concentrated too much in single elements (sci-Fi) in latter years and later on when they tried to cash in the success of other toy lines by mimicking them (Micromaster - Micromachines & Action Masters - Mask)

Like all things that succeed in life, its never an issue of one or the other, its an issue of striking a good balance which Hasbro seems to be failing at totally grasping since the release of Action Masters.

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Yer totally. Although if one doesn't count the movie line, the last series to have realistic alt modes was RID. Armada, Energon and Cybertron had a space/future focus and they all sold pretty well. Lets face it, Jetfire isn't THAT much of a realistic plane (big jetpack? Hello!). I think Archer just makes stuff up as he goes along sometimes.

[kup]

Classics Jetfire is before the 'Realistic Agenda'. The original Classics line focused on modernisations of classic G1 toys, realism was just a by product of choosing G1 characters that already had a realistic alt mode such as Bumblebee and Starscream. For Universe Classics, Archer has shifted the focus from modern interpretations of G1 toys to realistic alt modes. This shows that Archer has misinterpreted the appeal of Classics and that of the market. Its fine to see realism on the movie bots and Alternators, etc but why force it on toys representing G1 characters?

This sort of thinking has already caused a mayor casualty which is Powerglide's horrendous colors that make him look more like Jetfire's deformed brother or an inflated Micromasters Hothouse.

Even if Takara does not do a mayor change from the Hasbro Universe releases with Henkei, I only ask for two things: A red Powerglide and an Onslaught without the SWAT decals.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Yeh, I think that the universe classics is not going to be as popular as the first run, thanks to taktom. I am strongly considering waiting for the henkei versions of these instead of snapping up the hasbro ones. In my mind its a safe bet, because it is extremely unlikely that the figure are going to be worse, so one can't really lose can they?

[kup]

Yeh, I think that the universe classics is not going to be as popular as the first run, thanks to taktom. I am strongly considering waiting for the henkei versions of these instead of snapping up the hasbro ones. In my mind its a safe bet, because it is extremely unlikely that the figure are going to be worse, so one can't really lose can they?

No you can't loose and since they will be cheaper to buy from HLJ; they will likely cost about the same as the Aus retail prices with shipping. Another thing going for Henkei is that they will be released not very long after Universe Classics so the waiting period is fairly short, possibly a month or so. The prospect of Takara not cost cutting on the final product in favor of greater profits also help in their appeal.

I personally plan to buy just a couple of Universe Classics. One is Prowl because the Henkei version will likely come with Japanese police decals so I will buy the Hasbro one just so that I can swap doors and other parts with Japanese text on them for a more cartoon look.

[STL]

And in a very interesting little twist:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=174029

Thundercracker and Skywarp start to make a lot of sense...

[kup]

Yep, I agree. There is like 80% chance that Skywarp and Cracker will be released as exclusives (probably different shade of blue for Cracker to differentiate it from Botcon07) and a 20% chance that it will be Sunstorm and Waspinator's granddaddy who appeared in MTMTE.

[lcz128]

Exclusive release means that us non-japanese-living people and people who don't have that much money to blow on a botcon set will have no full line of Seekers, huh? :( Oh I cry.