MP Grimlock pics

It was at BotCon (probably 2005), shortly before Takara put Binaltech on hiatus, which was funny in a "why did they even bother forcing the Convoy issue then?"

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

On most TF toy packaging and copyright stampage I see the word "Takara" or "TOMY" appearing. Also, I did ask Takara if they manufactured all Transformers and they told me yes (this was back when I was trying to see if Takara could produce exclusive TFs for Sabretron 2004, they told me that although they would be manufacturing the toys, I would have to place the order through Hasbro because the figures were intended to be sold at an Australian convention; a Hasbro market).

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What the packaging says is Manufactured under license. From my understanding, it means that because the original Transformers toys were mostly made up of Takara's Diaclone and Microchange toys, the Transformers brand merchandise is made (at least from Hasbro's side) under license from the Japanese company that currently owns the original toy concepts that made up Transformers.

I tend to think that given that neither company actually owns factories in China, they share facilities/production lines when convenient, especially when they are using the same tools.

Until Hasbro or somebody in-the-know says otherwise, I remain skeptical of your claim that TakaraTomy manufactures all the toys. Besides, if they did make all of the end-product toys, that means all the quality control issues lately are TakaraTomy's fault.

Throw it into the november Q&A, if you have doubt about something current...

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Originally Posted by FFN

Until Hasbro or somebody in-the-know says otherwise, I remain skeptical of your claim that TakaraTomy manufactures all the toys. Besides, if they did make all of the end-product toys, that means all the quality control issues lately are TakaraTomy's fault.

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There's nothing to say the same factory can't produce good QC and bad QC at the same time. It could just come down to someone from TT saying "this is our standard, and this is Hasbro's - the quality on this toy is ok for them, but not for us". They probably even pay the same in terms of labour cost, but just lose out in terms of production costs; producing more toys to meet their quota as more of them don't reach the standards.

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Originally Posted by FFN

What the packaging says is Manufactured under license. From my understanding, it means that because the original Transformers toys were mostly made up of Takara's Diaclone and Microchange toys, the Transformers brand merchandise is made (at least from Hasbro's side) under license from the Japanese company that currently owns the original toy concepts that made up Transformers.

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If you're talking about present day toys manufactured under license in the sense you mentioned, it would have nothing to do with the original TF toys. It is most likely under license because Takara designed (any particular toy) and owns the intellectual property rights to the designs. They grant Hasbro a license to use their design, in the manufacture of the toy.

Your last sentance is probably inaccurate as well. Hasbro owns the concepts and the Transformer brand (in terms of intellectual property); Takara owns the interllectual property for the toys, which they can only call 'Transformers' if Hasbro allows them to do so (likely through a license).

While Hasbro licenses Takara the Transformer brand so the Japs can market the toys as TFs, Takara on their end licenses Hasbro the rights to manufacture the toys. Each are distinct concepts.

So... the head of TFs at Takara doesn't count as "somebody-in-the-know"? You can call him directly if you want... I got in touch with him via Takara's call centre number. His name is Takagi.

Based on this small tiny picture it looks ok to me.

It's a big chunky Grimlock that can stand next to MP Prime and look tough, seems to have decent detail, the dino mode is old school, but how is it any different from the way he was depicted in 90% of the old toons and comics. I think it was only in the first eps that they actualy showed much detail on Grimlocks dino mode. As for the acssesories there often lame, come on Kremzeek? How is Kremzeek any less silly than Dino waiter? I wouldn't display my toys with either.

So until I see better pics I'm going to go with the I'm excited camp! Maybe he doesn't have the realistic jet mode of Starscream, but he seems to be folowing more closely to Prime's design, of awesome robot mode, toony alt mode. And every time an MP comes out it gets knocked anyways, Optimus had no trailer, Starscreams bot mode differed from the cartoon, megatron was to skinny etc etc. I say show me more before I make a judgment.

I was surprised to see a accessory of Kremzeek...didn't think he/it was such a important character. LOL

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It's a big chunky Grimlock that can stand next to MP Prime and look tough

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I agree with you on that one, Zed. That would look awesome :D

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Originally Posted by genechan

I was surprised to see a accessory of Kremzeek...didn't think he/it was such a important character. LOL


I agree with you on that one, Zed. That would look awesome :D

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He became 'important' in Kiss Players for all the wrong reasons :D

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Originally Posted by kup

He became 'important' in Kiss Players for all the wrong reasons :D

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oh....OH :eek:

Based on the tiny pic, it still looks to me like it could well be the best Grimlock toy since G1 Grimlock, and that's all I ask.