Conroy today went and shot himself in the foot yet again.
Conroy not fooling anyone on an open internet
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Conroy today went and shot himself in the foot yet again.
Conroy not fooling anyone on an open internet
For F@#$ Sake! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Why?, why is this guy still employed? - Can nobody make individual selections on the Senate Ballet papers these days!?!... Aargh!!! :mad:
(No offense to anyone, but I think supporters of either side of Politics would love to see this guy's career end immediately! :))
The guy is a nincompoop (I have wanted to use that word for a while, seems apt :p)
FamilyVoice call to expand ISP filters
Come July this year, Telstra, Optus and iPrimus customers will be screwed:
Internet filter on track for July 2011: Conroy
Great quote from that is "The fence alone does not protect your child, you need to teach your child to swim."Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Voluntary filtering on track for mid-2011
And it looks as if the NZ filter is causing speed degradation:
Is this what the DIA filter looks like?
Telstra, Optus to start censoring the web next month
So glad I'm with Internode now.
It will be interesting to see what happens.
It will be. If I can't visit my favourite sites with the censorship then it's bye-bye for Bigpond.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
There's no better reason to leave Bigpond other than the fact that your with Bigpond. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SkyWarp91
true lol. and look at what I found on Wikipedia about this whole conundrum :Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Arguments for Internet censorship
- It will limit access to some adult content by the general population.
- Internet users will be able to use a complaint system which will allow them to report offensive websites that can be blocked.
- Websites that teach crime and terrorism will be blocked.
Arguments against Internet censorship
- The web filter will not just block child pornography; it will also block any "RC rated material" which will include blocking access to web pages of banned films, books, hardcore pornography and video games that do not meet the MA 15+ standard.
- Material that is illegal to view (eg instructions on criminal activity, depictions of child abuse) is a much narrower subset of material that may be classified RC and filtered.
- The organisation responsible for classifying media in Australia will not be involved in any way in the filtering process- so the filtered material will typically not technically be RC.
- The web filter will block content that meets the requirements for an MA 15+ rating if the Government disapproves of the access control software on the website offering the content.
- The web filter will not be able to block peer to peer networks and file sharing programs which are usable for distributing child pornography and allow users to download large amounts of it in a short period of time.
- The web filter will also block access to websites about politically sensitive issues which have changing criminality statuses eg euthanasia and abortion.
- The web filter may slow down access to the internet; this will contradict the Australian Government’s plan to provide faster broadband access speeds.
- The proposed filter may damage Australian - United States relations as the United States government is against Australia's filter plan.
- The web filter may be deemed "unconstitutional” under the Australian constitution and may not pass parliament.
- The web filter can easily be bypassed by a proxy server.
- The web filter's implementation, deployment and maintenance costs would be footed by the tax-payer.
- Peadophiles and terrorists use sophisticated techniques to conceal their content from the general public- limiting the need to protect people from this largely invisible information
- The most common form of child abuse and including child sexual abuse material can be found on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter published by the children it involves- eg Cyberbullying.
- The Australian Federal Police will not allow ACMA to filter child abuse material if doing so will tip off criminals to the discovery of their crime.
- After the Australian Federal Police (potentially involving Interpol and the domestic police of the host country) complete a criminal investigation of child abuse material, the filter will only be effective if the police then choose to allow the server hosting the material to remain operational.
- It would be more effective to spend the money on cross-border capabilities to shut down hosts of child abuse material at their source.
Yeah pedos and terrorists will just use proxies to get their illegal materials anyway. I think the best thing for customers to do of both Optus and Bigpond when this censorship starts is to complain, complain and complain.
i feel i should leave optus just on principle. Why should i pay $80 a month for a filtered service?
If I find my regular sites are effected by this filter i'll be switching to iinet or tpg.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
i actually love bigpond now, mainly because im not paying for it ;P
but theyre speeds are amazing, and ive never had a drop out...
You shouldn't, but you'd be helping 5FDP out. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
I'd highly recommend it dude, it's the best way to make your voice count. :cool:Quote:
If I find my regular sites are effected by this filter i'll be switching to iinet or tpg.
You're not paying for it? - Then you sir are one of the luckiest Telstra customers in existence and I'm not surprised you've not had a drop-out and have great speeds as your on the country's largest telecommunications monopoly in a major city! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by blackie
update: according to Accel next month's filtering has been put on-hold. Looks like Conroy has to put it off, AGAIN
Also a question, if Conroy was to be removed from office would there be a difference?
This is just plain embarrassing that I hear about this through the news channels rather than an internal memo / email.
I'm not involved in any way with our internet business, but it speaks volumes about the level of trust directors and the like have in their staff. I just found out 30 mins ago about the NBN deal; an hour after I read it in the press!
I don't think the policy would be immediately dropped, but I think you'd find that very few ministers would be willing to pick it up considering how unpopular it is. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWarp91
Senator Stephen Conroy is just too stubborn to drop it, which is an annoying quality of his because it has helped in certain ways with regards to the NBN - I'm still not a fan of his though. :o
Yeah, that's crap man but it is great news for the NBN! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
Got a link for that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWarp91
Looks like Telstra staff have no frackin' idea what's going on:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...023&p=54#r1069
And SkyWarp, do you have any links regarding the delay you mentioned? I've not found anything about this anywhere.
Ha, typical. They won't tell their staff until the last possible moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Ask AccelQuote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Unless everyone was made aware of the news article, I'm not surprised. I found out through the news channels rather than an internal communication and since yesterday, there has still been no confirmation or denial that a filter will be imposed from 01/07. It always seems to be the staff that are the last to know, mostly because companies are concerned news will be leaked before an official statement can be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Who are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyWarp91
You mean 'who is he?'... he's a member here dude :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Well now, I feel like an idiot. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
Anyway ...
Hackers put Telstra in filter bind
EDIT: Looks like the above story was not accurate:
Telstra proposes to filter Interpol blacklist
Is this filter likely to affect our Internet speeds dramatically?
Good thing that the filter they're proposing for is only trying to block child-porn sites which is right. Blocking R-rated video game sites and sites about euthanasia or even legal pornography was when it went too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
It was just a rumor a friend heard. but he has nothing to back it up / can't tell me anything to back it up to why it may be delayed. I get the feeling it was just the telstra staff not knowing what the hell is happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Interpol blacklist goes live in Canberra
And according to a Whirlpool user, Telstra will start censoring this week:
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...23711&p=7#r125
Optus’ filter to go live later this month
And this is no surprise:
Optus’ filter can be defeated by ‘trivial’ DNS change
Am I the only one surprised 4chan wasn't blacklisted? XD
I don't know if it's related but bloody hell the Telstra connection was iffy at work today.
Sigh of relief from me :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Accel
I was wondering why my internetz was a tadddd slower today. :/
The problem I see there is "based on". Where's the accountability? We already know the federal govt has censored not just a single page of an anti-abortion site and the website of a former SA candidate campaigning on anti-abortion issues.
I'm not going to get into that debate either way here, but the fact is that if the govt has already censored that, then what's stopping them from censoring, say, opposition to the carbon tax?
And in a recent development in Scotland: http://www.infowars.com/state-prosec...s-on-facebook/
So in addition to trying to control what we access via the internet, now they want to control how we use electricity
I can't wait till they start saying we've lived long enough and start mass euthanasia.