So, Sammy the Scalper for example, can ring 5 of his nearest stores, reserve the toys he wants, in this case lets say only one of each MP and then collect them within 48 hours? 10 toys. Awesome.
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So, Sammy the Scalper for example, can ring 5 of his nearest stores, reserve the toys he wants, in this case lets say only one of each MP and then collect them within 48 hours? 10 toys. Awesome.
I would say from the number of enquiries TRU have had about this item they will hopefully order sufficient stock. Further, even if they do hold stock for callers they still need to have some out for display. My suggestion would be for every board member who is interested in the item to contact TRU head office by email to ask about the item. Perhaps the more people who contact them, the greater chance the right people there will realise just how popular this item is and they will increase their order accordingly. It's worth a shot I reckon.
I don't know which store has the toy in stock. Would you have me physically drive to every TRU branch in Sydney just to physically check if the toy is in stock, and if so purchase it? Maybe if I were a single employed person without work or family obligations I could spend all my time and fuel money doing that, sure. :rolleyes:
On the day that I reserved Optimus Prime I was actually at work. At exactly 09:00 I called TRU and reserved the toy. Then later on in the day I went into TRU on my break time to pick up the toy.
Unfortunately it seems that way. :( Of course, the best way to drive scalpers out of business is for collectors to NOT buy their toys. Yes it's an utterly despicable practice, but it's one that collectors are perpetuating every time someone goes and pays some inflated price for a current/recent toy. :rolleyes:
We could make suggestions on how TRU could try to prevent scalping, but it would only ever be a band aid solution. The only real solution lies in our hands and the way we vote with our wallets.
Just do what you can I guess.
That's a good way of gauging demand for their high end lines. Even if not every enquiry converts to a purchase, I'm sure they've had enough data to see some sort of consistency or a ratio between the number of enquiries vs purchases. If they started a membership or loyalty program, this would allow them to collect more complex market data that may give them an idea of exactly how many adult collectors there are out there.
It seems like they have been very risk adverse in their ordering of MP toys - the more expensive a toy is, they simply order less of it.
I know we had this debate before. But if an item/toy is "really" wanted, people line up, take a leave from work or ask a "very good friend" who is available to buy it for you.
Of course, you can call and find out how many are available, choose to drive if you think there'll be some left when you arrive there. I call and ask how many they have and drove there, unfortunately, everyone else reserved over the phone and the fact that I arrived there before any of the callers doesn't make a difference. Even if I have the money before everyone else. :confused:
I did call to buy from Toyworld because there weren't any Toyworlds in NSW.
Also did the same to a Melbourne store who had the items I wanted that I couldn't get hold of in NSW. I paid thru bank deposit/transfer. Once payment was confirmed, they shipped the item to me. This I can understand since payment was done. But none of those who reserved had actually paid for their MP-10s.
Unfortunately, this is the reality with limited and high demand items. :eek:
At US TRU, Buy 1 Get 1 50% off on Transformers (Exclusions apply)** :)
But buying from robot kingdom will it be encouraging these retailers to sell higher. After all it retails at $119USD but they are selling at USD$199
yeah RK are notorious for price gouging. I've always hated that practice from online retailers.
I'd have no problem w/ a 1 toy per customer policy.
Take leave from work to buy a toy... yeah... that's totally not unprofessional at all. </sarcasm> :rolleyes: And if I can get a toy myself I'd rather do that before imposing myself on others.
Here's what happened. On the day Optimus Prime came out I called TRU Parramatta to see if they had any in stock. In the few minutes it took for them to check the stock, the toy was sold out. Forget the time it took to get there, the toy was sold out within the duration of one phone call! So the next day I wasn't going to take that chance again so I called TRU Castle Hill and got them to reserve it.
Also, understand that after work I have to pick up my daughter from preschool. Do you seriously expect me to drag a tired and hungry preschooler all around Sydney to every TRU branch in a mad dash to catch each one before they closed just in an effort to get one toy before they close?? By time I got home it'd be past her bed time, and she wouldn't have even had dinner yet. Like I said, I have both work and family obligations... so being able to make a phone reservation makes things much easier for me.
And I totally fail to see what your ethical objection is in the first place. It's a matter of first come first serve. What does it matter if the person who beat you got the toy over the phone or got the toy off the shelf? Either way, someone else got to that toy before you did. Nobody's stopping you from making a phone reservation too when you call ahead. If you choose not to then you choose to accept the risk that the toy may not be there by time you get there. My personal obligations don't afford me the time to take such a risk, so I'd rather make the reservation.
Let me put it this way... if I took your suggestion I could chuck a sickie and go to the shop at 9am and buy the toy straight away. Or I could still go to work and call at 9am and reserve the toy. Either way I would still get the toy at 09:00. The end result is the same, so what difference does it make??? I find the idea of taking a paid day off work (and lying to your employer about being sick when you're not) just to buy a toy to be much more ethically questionable than reserving a toy over the phone (which I fail to see the ethical objection to).
^Precisely. This is not something I would normally do. In fact, MP Optimus Prime is the only time I've ever done it, and I might do it for MP Acid Storm too.
99.99999999% of the time I buy what I can find on shelves when I physically go into stores. Which I already do spend a lot of time doing since, as you know, I really do not like shopping online.
I'm pretty certain they won't do any kind of phone reservation for MP Soundwave and Acid Storm. When Optimus prime was in stock at northlands, i rang at 9am and asked for a reservation and that i'll be 45mins away before i can pick it up and they informed me that no reservations can be made. Might just be the northland TRU. Luckily i did get my hands on one from that TRU.
Yeah, professionalism is required for buying toys :rolleyes:
Our individual situations do not provide an excuse to buying any item.Quote:
Also, understand that after work I have to pick up my daughter from preschool. Like I said, I have both work and family obligations... so being able to make a phone reservation makes things much easier for me.
My personal obligations don't afford me the time to take such a risk, I'd so I'd rather make the reservation.
First call doesn't equal first come. That's how simple it is.Quote:
And I totally fail to see what your ethical objection is in the first place. It's a matter of first come first serve. What does it matter if the person who beat you got the toy over the phone or got the toy off the shelf?Either way, someone else got to that toy before you did. Nobody's stopping you from making a phone reservation too when you call ahead. If you choose not to then you choose to accept the risk that the toy may not be there by time you get there.
Who says ethics is involved? The end result is the same but the effort isn't the same.Quote:
Let me put it this way... if I took your suggestion I could chuck a sickie and go to the shop at 9am and buy the toy straight away. Or I could still go to work and call at 9am and reserve the toy. Either way I would still get the toy at 09:00. The end result is the same, so what difference does it make??? I find the idea of taking a paid day off work (and lying to your employer about being sick when you're not) just to buy a toy to be much more ethically questionable than reserving a toy over the phone (which I fail to see the ethical objection to).
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^Precisely. This is not something I would normally do. In fact, MP Optimus Prime is the only time I've ever done it, and I might do it for MP Acid Storm too.
99.99999999% of the time I buy what I can find on shelves when I physically go into stores. Which I already do spend a lot of time doing since, as you know, I really do not like shopping online.
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I know it's not a concept you are familiar with. :eek:
If you really wanted something, you go to great lengths to acquire it or pay the premium. This is what scalpers hope for. They make the effort so that you will pay for the premium because you can't afford a sickie or can't be bothered to exert that extra effort because of personal circumstances.
I have to say I agree with jazzcomp.
I think if they're confident the toy will sell, there is no need for reservations.
I find it highly unfair for someone to reserve one over the phone only to come in at their leisure days later when it's convenient for them to do so, over someone who has made time to be there present in the store ready to buy immediately.
I can understand what you mean GoktimusPrime, as you intended to be there on same the day as you made the reservation, but you'd be the minority.
It should always be first 'in' best served, not first call imho.
I will do what ever it takes to get one, whether is reserve by phone or at the store if they don't reserve.
Will solve all issues if they brought in enough.
Remind me never to give you a job:rolleyes:
No, but they do dictate the circumstances under which you can buy said item. And besides, no excuse is needed. What would you do in his situation? Just resign yourself to the fact that you're probably gonna miss out? No, I think you'd be making phonecalls ;)
Because you put more effort into obtaining an item, then you are more entitled to it? You must HATE people that buy online then:rolleyes:
Oh and many people do actually try to live their everyday lives as ethically as they can. While you may be comfortable lying to your employer and having a day off to buy a toy (which technically is fraud. And most companies if they catch you out will treat it as such), you can't expect everyone else to be the same.
Pffft. Screw that for a joke. Anyone that would rather line up like that for god knows how long rather than make a few phonecalls has got rocks in their head. Plain and simple.
No, you don't have to go to great lengths. Have you ever heard the expression "work smarter, not harder"? Well this is a perfect example. Making a phonecall is defeinately smarter than driving all around the region burning time and petrol.
But it has nothing to do with how confident they are that an item will sell. It's about convenience and customer service. And how is it unfair when that exact same service is available to everyone? And they generally only hold for 48 hours anyway. So if they don't rock up to collect it, thenit's back on the shelf.
Here's a question: have either of you ever rang up and made a reservation for dinner at a restaurant? Or do you simply rock up and hope for a seat? Because that is EXACTLY the same thing.;)
No. But professionalism is required when working a full time professional job.
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Our individual situations do not provide an excuse to buying any item.
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First call doesn't equal first come. That's how simple it is.
These cases above are all instances of items that are made available at a particular date and time, like a book launch or game launch. If an item is advertised as a limited run item, available on a particular date at a particular date and time, with a public no reservations policy, then that's the rules we play by.Quote:
This is what people do - sample pics below
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I know it's not a concept you are familiar with. :eek:
The Masterpiece are a more general release item (although limited in it's production run). We don't have a specified release date, so I personally am not going to take a week or so off work in the chance that a toy might turn up.
If I ring a store and offer to definitely come in later if they are willing to hold it for me, then it's up to them if they're willing to do it. If they say yes, great. If they say no, then them's the breaks.
Scalpers are not a service to collectors as you want to claim. They're opportunistic scum who bu up large number of limited quantity items to drive down supply, drive up demand, and make personal profit from deny items to others.Quote:
If you really wanted something, you go to great lengths to acquire it or pay the premium. This is what scalpers hope for. They make the effort so that you will pay for the premium because you can't afford a sickie or can't be bothered to exert that extra effort because of personal circumstances.
I can't believe a thread in which all the relevant information is in the first post is nearly up to 500 replies.
and the only reason we are all following still is in fear we will miss a crucial post about the release hidden in the middle of the ethics debate ;-)
Spingler: i live on mars so can someone get one for me?
Fishywish: No - you should only buy for yourself!
HorseMagnus: I don't have a job so I will buy a million!
JOHN: Masterpiece Soundwave is out at TRU.
ilIKErOBOTS: We should be able to fone up for toyz!
ToiletPrime: No - you has to be at the shop!
TREE1: So, when do they come out?
JOHN: Dudes, the Masterpieces are at Toys R Us right now.
Fishywish: People should have to show their passports to buy Transformers.
ilIKErOBOTS: Layby is gud to.
TREE1: How many of the Masterpices Soundwaves are going to be sold?
JOHN: Whatever. They've all sold out now.
ilIKErOBOTS: :eek:
TREE1: :confused:
Fishywish: :(
ToiletPrime: :mad:
Spingler: :rolleyes:
HorseMagnus: ...
ScalperBot: Hellooo... :cool:
If you made a total judgement about my work ethic based on one post then I don't think I need to :rolleyes:
In his situation, go there on his break (which he did), buy online, ask a friend or fellow collector who can, ebay, gumtree, others.Quote:
No, but they do dictate the circumstances under which you can buy said item. And besides, no excuse is needed. What would you do in his situation? Just resign yourself to the fact that you're probably gonna miss out? No, I think you'd be making phonecalls ;)
I just go by the principle "first come, first serve". No, I don't HATE online buyers. :confused:Quote:
Because you put more effort into obtaining an item, then you are more entitled to it? You must HATE people that buy online then:rolleyes:
You know the release date. You can always file vacation leave instead of a sickie. For the record, I have in reality have used only a few sickies and those are for when I was sick or when my kid is sick. I have "ethically" used my leaves. I'm just saying that if you consider it an "emergency" then you can use it as a last resort.Quote:
Oh and many people do actually try to live their everyday lives as ethically as they can. While you may be comfortable lying to your employer and having a day off to buy a toy (which technically is fraud. And most companies if they catch you out will treat it as such), you can't expect everyone else to be the same.
The ethics I was referring to in my post was calling to reserve vs going to the store (now if you took a leave whether vacation/sickie - that's your own personal call). I think this is where things got lost in translation.
I see you don't get the point I'm trying to make. But that's fine. If that happens, I will resign myself that I won't be able to get it @ the store. Now if you were the one selling and you see the line outside and someone called for a reservation. Who would you give preference to?Quote:
Pffft. Screw that for a joke. Anyone that would rather line up like that for god knows how long rather than make a few phonecalls has got rocks in their head. Plain and simple.
As simple as that sounds, it makes it even simpler for scalpers.
A phone call to check if they have stock, yes I'll do that as to not waste my time & petrol going to a store with little or no stock. But I would make the effort of a long drive because that's the only store with stock left. But having a priority reservation system thru phone calls?Quote:
No, you don't have to go to great lengths. Have you ever heard the expression "work smarter, not harder"? Well this is a perfect example. Making a phonecall is defeinately smarter than driving all around the region burning time and petrol.
Not really the same thing. Dinner reservations have a smaller window to guarantee the dinner sale/service. If you do rock up, you are waiting for a specific amount of time to eat. Also, if it's fully booked then just leave and find somewhere else to eat. ;)Quote:
Here's a question: have either of you ever rang up and made a reservation for dinner at a restaurant? Or do you simply rock up and hope for a seat? Because that is EXACTLY the same thing.;)
And the food you want to have at that restaurant can "always" be eaten at a later date. I hope you can see the difference.
FYI - here is the official word from Toys R Us.
Now, if it is officially a phone reservation system - then I'd do the same and just call when the stores open. Or however number of days before stock is released for sale if they allow it?Quote:
Toys"R"Us Australia does not offer a reservation service.
Yes and we give more than just time on our professional jobs.
No one's asking you that.Quote:
The Masterpiece are a more general release item (although limited in it's production run). We don't have a specified release date, so I personally am not going to take a week or so off work in the chance that a toy might turn up.
What if they say yes to the hold then sells it to another customer anyway? It's just the breaks. For some, the holds are considered guarantees that you will get ithe item though.Quote:
If I ring a store and offer to definitely come in later if they are willing to hold it for me, then it's up to them if they're willing to do it. If they say yes, great. If they say no, then them's the breaks.
I think you misread my statement. I do not claim that. They feed on collectors' "great personal need/want".Quote:
Scalpers are not a service to collectors as you want to claim. They're opportunistic scum who bu up large number of limited quantity items to drive down supply, drive up demand, and make personal profit from deny items to others.
if it makes others happy I think Im going to pass on Acidstorm :D leaving one more available! For Soundwave, well if im lucky. If not i'll just buy a Takara one instead.
Is there anywhere with a decent comparison between the Takara (easily available now) and the Hasbro (which sounds like every TRU is going to be like a mini hunger games on release day, based on this thread) ?
Is it just that the Hasbro comes with all the cassettes ?
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Subtle differences in both soundwaves. Hmmmm
I'm talking about professionalism in my job. You know, that thing that I get paid to do. As Trent pointed out, it's an unethical form of fraud to take a sickie when you're not actually sick.
So you would seriously have me pick up my daughter at say 16:00, then spend the rest of the evening (or into the night if it's a Thursday) driving all around Sydney looking for a single toy? Say if I call all the TRUs in Sydney and the only one that has the toy is TRU Campbelltown, which is a good 60km away from my daughter's preschool; it'd easily take 2 hours (or even more) to drive there in peak hour... then it's about 43km back home, so that's probably an 80 min trip. So include time to park and physically shop (and I can't walk that fast with a preschooler in tow, it would most definitely include toilet breaks) -- we're looking at a good four hours to purchase a toy. And I'm citing Campbelltown, because as I recall when I was doing the call around Campbelltown TRU was among the first to confirm that they had MP Optimus Prime in stock.
So I wouldn't get home until 20:00... well after dinner time, so my daughter would be crying because she's so hungry (or should I just buy her cheap and nasty junk food and waste my wife's home cooked meal?), and by time she's finished eating, bathing etc., she'd be in bed WAY past her bedtime. So arguably negligent parenting is an acceptable cost for possibly obtaining a toy? That's totally not self centred at all! I totally wouldn't get in trouble with the missus and be riddled with self guilt for doing that! Yeah! :rolleyes:
That's just being simplistic. Whether someone beats you to the toy via a phone reservation or physical pick up, either way someone beat you to that toy first! :rolleyes:
The effort is different, but that's NOT to say that the effort is less and somehow less deserving or worthy than the other. You're saying that people who phone up to reserve aren't making the effort to drive in and pick up the toy straight away... but what about the effort of actually phoning all the branches to make the reservation in the first place? I spent HOURS calling branches and being put on hold just to reserve one toy!
It's not that I can't afford to take a sickie. I have VERY generous amount of sick days that I can take... but it's matter of professional integrity that I only take sick leave when I'm SICK. That's why it's called sick leave! It's also incredibly unfair to my students when I take days off school too because it does interrupt their education.
I really don't like online shopping and I only resort to it if I can't find the toy in a local store. I do ask friends/fellow collectors if I can't find the toy myself in local stores (otherwise I don't like to imposition other people if I can find the toy myself -- also it means I can open the toy faster if I can get it myself!). I refuse to use eBay, and I don't even know what gumtree is... aside from that thing that koalas live in. :o
Good for you. But that's YOUR principle... not mine.
I personally have a principle of NOT paying above retail prices for toys, and it's something I very strongly stand by. But it's MY personal principle... I know that it's one that I espouse frequently, but I always phrase it as something like, "I personally don't like paying above RRP for any toy." <--- it's a descriptive NOT prescriptive statement. Prescriptive statements sound preachy and feels like you're trying to impose your values on other people, whereas a descriptive statement is just that, describing something (but without necessarily prescribing it on others).
I personally don't agree with paying above RRP for toys, but I'm not going to stop or actively berate others for doing so (otherwise I reckon I'd be a LOT more active on the G1 Acquisitions Thread (and probably end up irritating a lot of the regular posters there)! ;))
You personally don't believe in phone reservations. Fine. So you go ahead and not do it then. I personally don't have an issue with it, so I'll do it if I feel the need to. I personally don't subscribe to online shopping (much) or paying above RRP, so I don't do it... but if others wanna do it, then good for them; I'm not going to try and stop them (it's their money).
While I do have an abundant amount of holiday leave, due to the nature of my occupation I can't change when they occur.
Buying a toy isn't an emergency to me.
Or you could just make a phone reservation yourself. But if you don't want to do that, then you have to accept the risk that you might not find the toy when you get there.
I accept certain risks with some of my personal policies.
e.g. buying toys at RRP when they come out. A lot of the time it saves me money because it's cheaper than paying inflated aftermarket prices, but sometimes it works the other way around when the toy gets cheaper later too. And I'm sure I would've completed my G1 collection a lot sooner if I used eBay, but I won't... so I've accepted that it'll take a jolly long time to complete my G1 collection (if ever). But that's okay because most of the toys that I really wanted to get I bought during the 1980s/90s when the toys where on shelves, and my Hasbro G1 collection is about 90% complete. The remaining 10% is pretty much "left over" stuff that didn't interest me at the time, so I'm content to take my time in collecting them. There's some figures like the Action Master Elites which I'll never get, but that's alright because they're crap toys anyway. :rolleyes:
I would give preference to whoever I was serving FIRST. It could be whoever physically got to my station first, or whoever calls me first - doesn't matter. It'd still be first come first serve, regardless of HOW they became first. Unless there's a store policy that explicitly directs me to favour one method over the other, I'm not going to favour one over the other... that would be unprofessional.
I think words were shoved in and misinterpreted. I proposed to take a leave. It's up to you whether you want to use a sickie or a vacation or if you are allowed some leeway to start work late and finish late, then that's fine too.
It's all up to you. It's your call what you want to do and what you want to prioritize. You can wait till the weekend to buy it. ;) Now if we have to weigh personal circumstance, then I'd totally allow you to have that reservation.Quote:
So you would seriously have me pick up my daughter at say 16:00, then spend the rest of the evening (or into the night if it's a Thursday) ....snipped... That's totally not self centred at all! I totally wouldn't get in trouble with the missus and be riddled with self guilt for doing that! Yeah! :rolleyes:
Your view and my view are different. I don't think someone else beat you to it when they haven't paid. Also, the phone reservation helps scalpers as well.Quote:
That's just being simplistic. Whether someone beats you to the toy via a phone reservation or physical pick up, either way someone beat you to that toy first! :rolleyes:
It's not about who is less or more deserving. It's just who is there at the store at the time the toys are available for sale.Quote:
The effort is different, but that's NOT to say that the effort is less and somehow less deserving or worthy than the other. You're saying that people who phone up to reserve aren't making the effort to drive in and pick up the toy straight away... but what about the effort of actually phoning all the branches to make the reservation in the first place? I spent HOURS calling branches and being put on hold just to reserve one toy!
It's not about believing or principle. TRU Australia doesn't have a phone reservation policy. Even if the staff are doing it, they actually aren't allowed to take/make that reservation.Quote:
Good for you. But that's YOUR principle... not mine. You personally don't believe in phone reservations. Fine. So you go ahead and not do it then. I personally don't have an issue with it, so I'll do it if I feel the need to.
I can also argue for using work time to call for reservation. But I assume most don't think it's a big deal. It all depends on the kind of work you do. Like if you were a 000 operator or some customer service rep then I assume that unless it was your break that you aren't allowed to make personal calls.
It's actually more convenient to call and reserve. Then it'll just be a battle of dialling and who gets lucky when staff answers the phone. If you called and waited and got on hold on a store with no stock and other people called other stores and reserved, then it's just unlucky then. Or if you have meetings at the time the store opens, then you can't make the call and miss out as well.
When you come to the store and buy and the staff say it's sold out. It's not really sold out. Everyone just reserved ahead of you. Now if those who called actually paid thru bank deposit/credit card or some method then it is actually sold out.
I meant if there was a long line, I know that my chances are almost nil.Quote:
Or you could just make a phone reservation yourself....
I will definitely call this time and make a reservation. It requires the least amount of effort with the same result. Now if they sell the stock because of the no reservation policy, then I will just vent that someone else got my toy that I reserved.
Then you can wait and don't need to buy it at the day it's available for sale.;)Quote:
Buying a toy isn't an emergency to me.
You wouldn't have a chance to prioritize calls when there are customers waiting in line. I would even argue as to why you should answer the call.Quote:
I would give preference to whoever I was serving FIRST. It could be whoever physically got to my station first, or whoever calls me first - doesn't matter. It'd still be first come first serve, regardless of HOW they became first. Unless there's a store policy that explicitly directs me to favour one method over the other, I'm not going to favour one over the other... that would be unprofessional.
Yes, there is no policy for phone reservation. Meaning it shouldn't be allowed though it's not enforced.
Back to the topic about TRU sound wave and acid storm, interesting how the branding stamp is also different. Reckon it's the same mould or different?
P.S let's keep this about the toy in mind for discussion, enough of long thesis about other things.
do notice the blue on Rumble is darker too.... someone must have decided to add a little more "black" ink.. ha ha ha...
other than that... besides the screws visble and the manufacturer stamp... nothing else is different..... so why is Hasbro able to do it at a cheaper price, considering its the "same" different toy