They are going to piss off a lot of young voters just to keep foxtel rich. Hopefully there will be easy ways to buy pass their bs.
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They are going to piss off a lot of young voters just to keep foxtel rich. Hopefully there will be easy ways to buy pass their bs.
The Netflix library consists of both TV shows and movies, old and new, fiction and documentary. Actually, i've noticed a few movies hitting Netflix while they're still showing in theatres here. Plus there's some awesome shows that are Netflix originals such as Derek starring Ricky Gervais and heaps of stand-up comedy shows not shown anywhere else. Theres's actually more content on there then there is on Foxtel, plus it's immediately watchable with no ads, no waiting around for whatever time for the show to start. Highly recommended. And i agree on Game of Thrones, turned off after 10 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega Metro
The people losing out if these laws come in will be telcos. Why would anyone still pay for a 500gb internet plan each month when they cant use the bandwidth? people will downgrade their net plans and put the money into other tools such as VPN's which will still allow downloading etc.
tldr aus business will lose out because the government needs to make Rupert Murdoch a few more million
I'd love to go with an option like Netflix but my home internet connection is rubbish. I don't get anywhere near the required minimum speeds for most internet streaming services.
Foxtel is actually filled with ads. As bad or worse than free to air. It is pretty terrible and not worth the hefty cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
That's unfortunate... so their marketing perspective now is to pay for exclusive access to programs now.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
If they didn't have packages of channels, and allowed people to select and pay for just the individual channels they want, more people might be willing to sign up as they would see their subscription being better value (by not being made to pay for channels they don't watch).
Most people that I know pay for Foxtel. Mostly because our free to air TV is so terrible. Channels like GO and Eleven had some decent stuff for a while but they quickly became just extensions of their parent channels terrible programming. A conspiracy theorist could argue that this is done so that Foxtel looks more appealing...Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Even so, I have seen Foxtel in action for an extended period and the channels are filled with ads, show episodes constantly repeat and they seem only able to show the first few seasons of the Simpsons over and over again.
It is freaking terrible but a lot of people still have it because as bad as it may be, it is still better than Free to air.
I am personally not willing to spend $60-$100 a month for dodgy ass TV with ads so I won't. Too bad a lot of people do as I only know for sure of two people without it and one of them includes myself.
I use Netflix. My girlfriend and I don't watch anything other than a) local news (because of our lines of employment) and b) she'll sometimes get sucked into a home-reno series.
Both our parents' have Foxtel, and there's been the occasional day of hanging out at one of the 'rents watching trashy reality while shaking off a hangover.
Personally, I'm not terribly worried about the censorship of the internet. Piracy will always find a way, and I refuse to support local content providers that are rubbish when we live in a global world.
You hit the nail on the head there.Quote:
Originally Posted by millhouse
+1
Pure and simple it's about money and pleasing that Australian Overlord/Dictator Murdoch... it's sickening... he is also responsible for the truncated version of the NBN that this pathetic government is now peddling... once again money. Australia is being held back all for money/power.
I use Netflix and Hulu and pay no more than $20/month with unblock-us. By buying itunes vouchers when they are on special (there is an app to track that) I never pay full price.
Wow, I thought the reason you paid was to avoid ads.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
I watch the news and thats about it now. Rather have the TV turned off rather than sit down and watch all the crapola they call content.
That was when they 1st launched. Sooo many years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
No way I'd pay to watch ads. I can do that for free.:)
I used to watch a lot of SBS On Demand, 7, 10 shows on my iPad apps as they didn't have ads...........now they do.:mad:
http://www.news.com.au/technology/on...-1227294106822
So... we're basically going to go back to hiring / ripping our own movies again like how it was 10 years ago. How are they going to stop that? :rolleyes: I make better encodes anyway ;) :D
I remember those days. Hiring 12 hours worth of DVDs on "cheap Tuesday" and returning them 4 hours later.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
I got a few looks ;)
I wouldn't mind if they blocked game requests on FB. Just sayin'. :p
The decision by the Federal Court on the Dallas Buyers Club case shits me on so many levels. And no it's not just because they are cracking down on online piracy.
The fact that since this government has come into power, it's done nothing for the people that it is supposed to be working for. Instead they kowtow to the big multinationals to do their bidding yet don't enforce their obligations to the Australian society and economy.
The first thing on the agenda is to cut everything in the budget to hit the less fortunate of society and others working hard to make it by.
They have done nothing to create jobs but rather the opposite insisting "everyone has to do the heavy lifting". Wow, the pollies took a temporary wage freeze while everyone else will be getting nothing for the next few years. Oh and we must crack down on penalty rates too, can't have the average Joe and Jane scrapping by and shirking their responsibility to lift this country out of debt and cutting into business profit.
The big agenda item seems to be trying to control the internet for their boss Mr Murdoch trying to protect his revenue for an outdated business model called Foxtel. Well mate, with the influx of streaming companies such as Presto, Stan and Netflix coupled with ISP's offering free data for these companies, regardless of what measures to stop piracy, people will go to a service that provides them what they want at a reasonable price for a better product and when they want it.
Yet companies like Newscorp, Google, Apple etc dodge their tax obligations by shifting monies out through their tax haven arrangements with Ireland etc. Last week it was reported $11 billion was shift out of the country.
So because our government is a toothless dog with no backbone and doing nothing about enforcing and recovering tax monies owed to this country, they will just have to stick it to us by increasing the tax brackets and the GST tax as part of a recent White Paper study.
And what about house affordability being at all-time low? Do they crack down on the real estate cowboys of the industry or the dodgy Golden Visa scam?
It just seems this government does nothing for their citizens yet everything for the big end of town.
Ordinary people are doing it tough as it is, yet life seems to be getting harder, more stressful etc. Some days I feel I'm being taxed out of the country.
/End of rant - sorry I had to vent, feel better now :)
At least the people who spent time and money producing the movies actually got some money out of it, from the rentals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent
We all know that people would tape shows or copy Video Tapes/DVDs from other people or from rental places, but those were a fraction of the copies being made now... so at least before internet piracy, 1 or 2 copies were made from purchased copies, so more money per duplicate was going to the people who own the material. Now, there are thousands and millions of copies being made and shared from a purchased copy (and from hacked copies), meaning the owners get one sale per thousand-plus viewers instead of one sale per 2-3 viewers.
And that level of individual copying (and limited mass copying & sale of physical copies) is something that they don't care as much about because it involves a LOT more legal purchases per copy than digital downloads do. It's a bit like shoplifting - stores know that they will never completely stop it without spending more money than they'd save, so they take measures to prevent wholesale stealing by everyone, and then just factor in the small amount of losses into their prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
After working with a number of people over the years who have been notorious free-loaders among their friends and relatives, I've never been a fan of free-loading. If there are options available to pay for something, I believe people should earn what they get... not get something as a handout or by actively avoiding to pay for it. That's like getting a $20 toy from a store for $1 by sticking a different barcode over, just because you think the big, nasty, soulless corporation makes too much money. But two wrongs don't make it right to justify it. We can survive without material possessions, so there is never a justification to avoid paying for something you don't need for your own survival.
I personally spend many many hours AND dollars running this site, so when I see people using it's resources for free without contributing anything in return (like interaction, info or sightings), it bugs me... but it would bug me more if this was a website that I was earning my living from, through subscription or advertising. It's the same with these music and TV/Movie producers, in that there are thousands of people behind the scenes involved in each project that are earning a living from it (just look at the list of credits at the end of a movie), but they only have a job if people pay for it. If too many people don't pay for it, then there are a lot of people on the production side that are out of a job, and since there is no face to the consequences to digital theft, people would rather focus on an associated mega-corporation that is tied to the project.
As a story writer, if I eventually have books published and people were downloading them without paying for it, I'd do the same as the "Dallas Buyers Club" movie producers... in that I'd be pursuing those people who are reading my books from unauthorised sources. And if the internet service providers have records of those people because they were the middle-men, it would be no different than asking the internet service providers to list who has been interacting on a paedophilia site.
:mad: /end rant. :o
Yes... we need serious economic and tax reform, for all people, not just the mega rich (laws are created with the politicians and their financial backers in mind). But both major parties are more focused on each other than on the needs of the people, so everything gets blocked in the Federal Senate and criticised by the media, regardless of if it is a bad policy or a good policy. Which has meant a stalling of the economy in the last eight years, because it is more important to buy votes with things we want (like handouts), than giving us what we need by making the hard decisions and serious reforms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trailer Park Ninja
The world and its economy is evolving all the time, so policy and reforms need to be ongoing to keep up, but just like in the early 70s, Australia has stalled since 2007, to the point of having New Zealand now considered a stronger economy than ours.
Looks like everyone will be paying money for annual subscriptions to VPNs rather than the lame-ass version of Netflix we have here, or worst still, Foxtel.
Been doing some research tonight since I heard about that court case and it seems for about $50 a year you can install VPN software that hides your IP and encrypts the data you download so that it can't be detected by our government or anyone else who decides to go into the torrent sites and attempt to detect which IPs are file sharing copyrighted content.
I suspect that IInet will appeal the decision. Perhaps it's time our government stepped in addressed the real reasons why Australians download so much copyrighted content compared to other countries in the world...
https://www.iinet.net.au/about/media...yers-club.html
Funny how the foxtel run news sites don't show that iinet are seeing this as a victory. The main concern was the bullying speculative invoicing practices to average people.
Very true. Reading through the 'fine print' which is in one of the articles that news.com.au is running also explains that only those that 'seeded' the movie i.e. making it available for others to download, may receive a letter which may or may not outline compensation to the studio which you may or may not have to pay :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by theshape
It goes on to say that "They can’t detect downloaders so if I downloaded it but never shared it I wouldn’t be concerned about it”. This completely contradicts the headline that they are running - "IT’S PAYBACK TIME: How much will you pay for downloads?" Either, they are misinformed about how torrenting works, or they are clearly engaging in click-bait articles with the aim to spread fear and propaganda. My guess is the later of the two which is why you can't believe everything you read ;)
Maybe back to times with download limits. How will it impact other ISPs? I'd jump ship if I was an iiNet customer now.
Our Internet infrastructures are so screwed up that even with stuff like Netflix, Stan, etc, we don't really have the proper bandwidth and even their contents are stunted due to monopolizing deals with Foxtel.
People pirate because it is the most effective way to enjoy movies and shows in this country. I don't want the whole Foxtel package for one show in which on top, I have to pay extra if I want some half baked HD content.
The problem is ultimately our weak backbone politicians who are only in it for themselves, not the nation. That's why they are so easily manipulated by big business as there are plenty of fatcat backs to scratch.
We need a revolution in this country, old school style..
that is all well and good....BUT if content was available in a timely fashion at a fair price piracy levels would plummetQuote:
Originally Posted by griffin
I think it's entirely unfair to criticise the selection of Netflix at launch based on the amount of pre-existing content deals in place. It's not like when it launched a streaming service in the US you could get Orange is the New Black or House of Cards - they hadn't been filmed yet!Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ_Prime
Basically, what I'm saying is give it time.
Just my $0.02.
Kup is right - about two thirds of the reason that I pirate things is because for what you pay the level of availability is absurd combined with point blank stupid regional licensing.
I've been rereading the Star War Expanded Universe books over the last few years. The first four books of the X-Wing series are available as individual downloads through Amazon Kindle. The next five? Only available if you purchase the full bundle of nine books.
All nineteen books in the New Jedi Order series? You can only purchase them digitally in this region in German.
Han Solo Trilogy? Definitely available digitally, just not in your region.
Nailed it!Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
I don't even have the bandwidth to stream youtube during peak times :o Every streaming service is useless to me. I'm not paying $10 per month for something I can't use / watch. The benefit of torrents is that it downloads the whole show therefore there is no buffering. I'd rather wait several hours for a show to download than sit through constant buffering ;)
So what are my other choices - ask a friend who has the ability to duplicate / record shows to be my 'supplier'. Basically, what we were doing 20 years ago when people would swap VHS tapes with each other. I personally don't see the difference except for the fact it's much easier for me to download them myself.
Once Australia's internet capabilities are up-to-scratch with the rest of the developed world, then we might see some change.
Then we'd have to debate on what is "fair price" since Australia is always shafted on price?Quote:
Originally Posted by The_Damned
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I don't stream as well as buffering takes the fun out of watching.
Is streaming/video from internet sites also considered piracy? We have video downloaders that we use because of the buffering issue as well.
do i wait for the local retailers to stock it at the same price at the same time as the rest of the world, or do i buy online and have it delivered it straight to my door?
I'm pretty sure buying stuff online isn't prevented yet till the government or big studios find a way of preventing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
And after that they can lock all our phones so that we can't call overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzcomp
Why do we need to talk to people in other countries, there are lots of people in this one we can talk to after all :rolleyes:
Sorry Murdoch I'll buy a vpn before I get foxtel.
Want my money? Chuck it on netflix or hope I like it enough to get the blu-ray.
Yay, once again the Australian government has bowed to big business.Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzcomp
It's so nice to see that tax dollars are spent so that business can keep using their out dated and archaic models to choke dollars from aussies.
Sure, I can see why they made the move, but I suspect that if more people had access to legal ways of getting the shows sooner they would take them. Foxtel is BS with their subscription bizzo and charges, even then they seem to get stuff late.
Next step, making sure they slap gst on EVERY item that comes in the mail.
Oh and isn't youtube a streaming site?
fire up those vpns
Yep I was pretty disappointed to hear this bill got passed, it shows a complete lack of leadership within the opposition as well as complete ignorance of advice provided to the government on real solutions to tackling internet piracy within Australia. This draconian piece of legislation has not only proven to be ineffective in other countries in which it has been implemented, but it also has the complete opposite effect of what it's intention is.
Watch internet piracy grow even more in Australia now as the people vote with their pockets. Goodbye Foxtel and other crappy companies using outdated business models, and F U government for failing the people once again.
The VPN business is about to become even more lucrative thanks to the Australian Parliament. It's OK Mr Hockey, this is simply Australian's "going out there and having a go!".
VPN's will be blocked too fellas. Download the internet while you still can!
It's to please their lobbyist and backers. The motivation for this doesn't go beyond that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ_Prime
Anyone who thinks Labor or Liberals are there for the people of Australia is in a delusion. They are in it for themselves.