Ranks and Firepower

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Originally Posted by Hursticon

Yeah, the structure and thought behind this proposal all looks quite sound to me but I've only one thing I need clarification on:
So when you say 'x' Firepower point represents the amount donated, does that mean something like this?:

1 = $1
2 = $2
So on up to 10 = $10?

or,

1 = $10
2 = $20
So on up to 10 = $100?

You know what I mean?
Also, is there a cap on the maximum amount donatable?

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Pricing and Cap from first post:

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Where 'x' is a number up to 10, with each number equalling $10. The limit of 10 is to make sure I don't have anyone trying to out-do others with their 'Firepower' status... and I wouldn't be comfortable having people sending in that much anyway.

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So the cap is $100, in case anyone was really that keen to invest that much at once.
Someone with a Firepower of '2' had paid $20. Someone with Firepower of '2+' had paid $20 and nominated $10 of that as a donation to the running of the board.

Does that make it clearer, or more confusing?

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Originally Posted by griffin

So the cap is $100, in case anyone was really that keen to invest that much at once.
Someone with a Firepower of '2' had paid $20. Someone with Firepower of '2+' had paid $20 and nominated $10 of that as a donation to the running of the board.

Does that make it clearer, or more confusing?

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Helps, but more clarification.

So basically you can nominate a Donation, which would go board costs, or to Future Exclusives?

Scenario

Johnny Cash pays $20 for exclusives, and John Farhnam pays $10 for exclusives and $10 for donation. Would Johnny Cash get $20 worth of exclusives stuff and John Farhnam only get $10? Or is it like a pool whereby whatever exclusives come, eveyone gets equal share?

I love the idea of exclusives and such, but I also like to help out it the running costs of the board.

Also from the first post:

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Each 'Firepower' point is then a membership point for the purchase of future exclusive items, and/or a $10 per year donation to the running of the club/site if the person nominates it at the time of payment. As such, people can top up their Membership 'account' at any time. (the annual donation concept would be phased out if ever in the future we had sponsorship or advertising to cover the running costs)

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Which means, as per your scenario, both people are sending in the same amount, and both will have it reflected in their Firepower score (of 2), but the one who wanted to donate will have a + after their 2, leaving them with just a single Membership point in their account to use on any exclusive items.
Since I will endeavour to have exclusive items valued in multiples of $10, people who have membership points in their account will be able to use whole points to purchase items.

The Firepower score is basically your 'account'. Every point you purchase, is yours to spend later, if you didn't nominate one point ($10) as a donation. And donations can be one-off or annual - it's your choice.

As per post #3

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Once payment has been made, you will need to email (address TBC) with:
- your username (and any payment reference name)
- your payment method
- your payment amount
- if the amount includes a donation, and if it is a one-off or annual donation

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The 'payment amount' is a multiple of $10, with each buying a Firepower/Membership point. The fourth item above concerning a donation is voluntary, but if you nominate a donation to the board (of one point/$10), you would need to mention if it is one-off, or an annual donation.
Your account/Firepower will be deducted of one point after 12 months, but until then it will have a + next to your number so that you and I know that one point in your account is already being used. The remaining points are all yours to purchase stuff.

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Originally Posted by griffin

So the cap is $100, in case anyone was really that keen to invest that much at once.
Someone with a Firepower of '2' had paid $20. Someone with Firepower of '2+' had paid $20 and nominated $10 of that as a donation to the running of the board.

Does that make it clearer, or more confusing?

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This and the discussion between yourself and 1AZRAEL1 has indeed clarified this for me. :D

For me, I think I'd be less worried about exclusives as I'd be more interested in donating to the running costs of the board because whilst I know it's not an astronomical amount - It's certainly not cheap either so I'd take greater satisfaction in knowing that a portion of the financial burden has been lifted from you Griffin. ;):)

I can't believe we've already discussed a numbering option for Usertitles, and I totally forgot about it... until I stumbled across it just minutes ago.
Despite the hesitation at using numbers with the Usertitles, I feel that the toy-class Usertitles are going to be more confusing soon (as I had predicted), with the change in some class names in the DOTM toyline.
And I keep getting mixed up with the Scout and Legends Usertitle, as which is the active and non-active members...
Well, to prevent being stuck with toy classes that are no longer being used, and to coordinate with the 'Firepower' theme, I'll give the rank numbering idea a go for a while and see how it looks/works.

Since I've just been having some of the Section Mods become multi-section Mods, I've given that the rank of 8, and kept the Global Mods all into the one rank of 9.

The Userguide topic has now been totally overhauled, to incorporate this and a few other recent issues and changes here.

Updated user-titles, so we'll see how they look for a couple weeks, and decide how they go.

As much as I and others prefer to have something more toy-related (it's the fanboy in us), it's just a bit confusing to guests and newer fans who won't easily know 'size classes' to know the 'pecking order' here. And with Hasbro periodically changing those 'size classes', it is better having more permanent, generic titles.

Not a fan of these numbered rankings I must say, but I totally understand how it can be confusing for those not familiar with them and Hasbro also making a habit of changing the naming of them.

I would much prefer a ranking without a number attached to it - seeing as we're all TF fans and (I assume) the guests and random visitors to this site are also, how about rankings based upon the TF 'hierarchy'

Supreme -> Rank: Creator (eg Primus/Unicron)

Voyager -> Rank: Prime (eg Optimus/Megatron/Fallen)

Deluxe -> Rank: Commander (eg Starscream/Soundwave/Ultra Magnus)

Scouts -> Rank: Warrior (eg Jazz/Astrotrain)

Legends -> Rank: Soldier (eg Bumblebee/Warpath/Rumble)

Protoform -> Rank: Cadet (eg Wheelie)

Hopefully the examples I've given give you a rough idea of what I mean by 'hierarchy'. :o

I've only just picked up this conversation, but it sounds OK, to me, I like Vectors idea too, and I clearly see what he is saying with regards to members and visitors should have a vague idea of what the titles mean.

I also like the Distant spark title. I think the current mod titles are pretty good too.

The only thing I would be worried about Griffin is "essentially dumbing the titles down too much" to make to site more accessable. part of the fun is looking at the Titles and seeing the direct transformers relationship there. too generic takes some of the obsessive compulsive fun out of it.

perhaps a graphic like a tech spec, representing these values might make the terms more clearly transformer related. each member could then essentially have their own techspec. which would be super cool.

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Originally Posted by Vector Prime

Not a fan of these numbered rankings I must say, but I totally understand how it can be confusing for those not familiar with them and Hasbro also making a habit of changing the naming of them.

I would much prefer a ranking without a number attached to it - seeing as we're all TF fans and (I assume) the guests and random visitors to this site are also, how about rankings based upon the TF 'hierarchy'

*snip*

Hopefully the examples I've given give you a rough idea of what I mean by 'hierarchy'. :o

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I see what you're saying dude but yeah, I'm not terribly fussed as I'll go with what ever the majority consensus is on this one (I do sort of miss the TF reference though :o). ;)

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Originally Posted by UltraMarginal

Perhaps a graphic like a tech spec, representing these values might make the terms more clearly transformer related. each member could then essentially have their own techspec. which would be super cool.

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Hehe :D, I've already got mine. :p
It was entirely constructed within MS Office 2003's Powerpoint, apart from the picture :eek:, so if anyone would like a copy of the original .ppt (Powerpoint) file to make their own? - Please feel free to ask. :)