CW Lio Kaiser?

OMG.... :) :eek:

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i dont know the character because i havent watched Victory but it looks interesting. Dont mind to have an extra decepticon combiner. any idea if skylinx can be retooled into a humanoid character?

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Originally Posted by Autobot1995

i dont know the character because i havent watched Victory but it looks interesting. Dont mind to have an extra decepticon combiner. any idea if skylinx can be retooled into a humanoid character?

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The really interesting thing about Lio Kaiser isn't just his canonical appearance, but the engineering turning point that he represents for Transformers toys. Lio Kaiser was the first Transformers gestalt to have self contained gestalt parts. On the 1989 G1 toy, the head is the only detachable accessory on Lio Kaiser. Everything else on the gestalt robot - thighs, hands, feet etc. are all built into the toys. This means that the head was the sole accessory that you had to keep track of and try not to lose. This was a massive leap in design/engineering. If you think of any other G1 gestalt; Devastator, Superion, Menasor, Predaking etc. -- they were all highly dependent on accessories to complete the gestalt robot. Fists, feet, chest plates, groin plates, heads etc. were all detachable (except for Defensor's head).

No other G1 or G2 gestalt matched this level of engineering. It wouldn't be until 1997 when Hasbro/Kenner produced the first Transformers gestalts with fully self-contained parts (Beast Wars' Magnaboss and Tripredacus); and of course, the BW gestalts were fully articulated, so they were a big step up from Lio Kaiser, but Lio Kaiser was the starting point. Other gestalts with fully self contained parts since then have been:
* Car Robot (RiD2001)'s JRX (Rail Racer) & Buildking (Landfill)
* Fall of Cybertron's Bruticus & Ruination

Combiner Wars have taken a step back in having detachable hands and feet, although this was done to improve the core design of the individual toys (as they don't have to incorporate and cater for built in hands and feet). If you compare any CW gestalt with their G1 counterpart, you can see that the CW version has more self-contained components and places little reliance on detachable accessories. This innovation started in 1989 with Lio Kaiser. So I think that it'd really awesome to see Lio Kaiser made into a modern gestalt, as it would feel like the journey of developing the modern gestalt has come full circle. :) α & Ω

I am a bit confused about how skylynx would get retooled into leozack, but it might work.
This will be one to watch, especially since it means that we're even getting official modernizations of lesser known (at least here) G1 characters, so who knows, dino force next? New dinobots? Predaking?
Yeah I know it's been said that there wouldnt be any beast former combiners coming in CW but skylynx and liokaiser sort of through that out the window, so anything's possible.

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Originally Posted by DarkHyren

I am a bit confused about how skylynx would get retooled into leozack, but it might work.
This will be one to watch, especially since it means that we're even getting official modernizations of lesser known (at least here) G1 characters, so who knows, dino force next? New dinobots? Predaking?
Yeah I know it's been said that there wouldnt be any beast former combiners coming in CW but skylynx and liokaiser sort of through that out the window, so anything's possible.

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True, but Lio Kaiser does lazily utilise existing molds -unless you want to see a Razorclaw from Hot Spot :p

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Originally Posted by DarkHyren

I am a bit confused about how skylynx would get retooled into leozack, but it might work.

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The rumour mill has the torso bot as CW Deathsaurus. It should be possible from the Sky Lynx mold, but...meh. It's a stretch too far for me.

G1 Encore reissue please (along with the rest of the yet-to-be-reissued gestalts) @TakaraTomy.:)

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Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper

The rumour mill has the torso bot as CW Deathsaurus. It should be possible from the Sky Lynx mold, but...meh. It's a stretch too far for me

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That actually could work, but if they do it that way they better release 6 breast force limbs to collect and swap around.
But I agree, I'd rather a G1 encore of Liokaiser more then a half hearted update

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Originally Posted by Sinnertwin

True, but Lio Kaiser does lazily utilise existing molds -unless you want to see a Razorclaw from Hot Spot :p

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Shhhh, you'll give them ideas!

Upon closer inspection, you can see that LioKaiser's helmet is actually Jallguar's (although still LioKaiser's face). So perhaps the core component's robot mode is based on Leozack, but they've put that Jallguar tribute on LioKaiser's helmet. The black on the breastplate also looks Jallguar-esque. So perhaps the core toy is a hybrid of Leozack and Jallguar; they might just stick with the one name though. But that seems interesting that they might be hybridising the two torso robots into one.

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Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper

G1 Encore reissue please (along with the rest of the yet-to-be-reissued gestalts) @TakaraTomy.:)

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Now that TakaraTOMY is geoblocking people outside of Japan, you're one of the few people here who can still access their online survey site and make suggestions for future toys!

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

The really interesting thing about Lio Kaiser isn't just his canonical appearance, but the engineering turning point that he represents for Transformers toys. Lio Kaiser was the first Transformers gestalt to have self contained gestalt parts. On the 1989 G1 toy, the head is the only detachable accessory on Lio Kaiser. Everything else on the gestalt robot - thighs, hands, feet etc. are all built into the toys. This means that the head was the sole accessory that you had to keep track of and try not to lose. This was a massive leap in design/engineering. If you think of any other G1 gestalt; Devastator, Superion, Menasor, Predaking etc. -- they were all highly dependent on accessories to complete the gestalt robot. Fists, feet, chest plates, groin plates, heads etc. were all detachable (except for Defensor's head).

No other G1 or G2 gestalt matched this level of engineering. It wouldn't be until 1997 when Hasbro/Kenner produced the first Transformers gestalts with fully self-contained parts (Beast Wars' Magnaboss and Tripredacus); and of course, the BW gestalts were fully articulated, so they were a big step up from Lio Kaiser, but Lio Kaiser was the starting point. Other gestalts with fully self contained parts since then have been:
* Car Robot (RiD2001)'s JRX (Rail Racer) & Buildking (Landfill)
* Fall of Cybertron's Bruticus & Ruination

Combiner Wars have taken a step back in having detachable hands and feet, although this was done to improve the core design of the individual toys (as they don't have to incorporate and cater for built in hands and feet). If you compare any CW gestalt with their G1 counterpart, you can see that the CW version has more self-contained components and places little reliance on detachable accessories. This innovation started in 1989 with Lio Kaiser. So I think that it'd really awesome to see Lio Kaiser made into a modern gestalt, as it would feel like the journey of developing the modern gestalt has come full circle. :) α & Ω

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Very interesting, I'm definitely looking forward to adding this to my collection
Thanks :D