Titan Class METROPLEX

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Originally Posted by gdmetro

Referring to the Takara Masterpieces.

Hopefully these sell well enough so we can get metrotitan, fort max, trypticon and scorponok too. Oh the possibilities!

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Ah, can't believe that I didn't get the Datsuns and the cassettes were referring to the masterpieces - I think because I have slated my MP Soundwave acquistion to wait until the Hasbro version comes out I had dismissed it out of mind :rolleyes:

I think it's great that Fort Max & Metroplex will be of similar stature, it always bugged me when taking photo's of my collection that while Scorponok & Trypticon were comproble, Metroplex next to Fort Max looked like Wheelie next to Ultra Magnus :p

Since Hasbro continues to cash in on the FOC genre, even putting out tons of toys based on characters that were NOT in the games, hopefully they continue and make some more characters that were IN the WFC/FOC games!

I would love to see:
Titan: Omega Supreme & Trypticon
Voyager: Jetfire, Silverbolt, Sludge & Snarl
Deluxe: Thundercracker, Skywarp, Slipstream, Arcee, Ratchet, Ironhide, Breakdown, Quake, Slag, Swoop, Perceptor & Warpath

but then wouldn't we all ;)

So WANT!!!! Man, with Fort Max added into the equation, this will be an expensive year.

Exciting for sure. Im glad it has the fall of cybertron/G1 aesthetic, although I'm agreeing with the disappointment with the base modes.

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Originally Posted by The_Damned

metrotitan would be an awesome idea for a repaint

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I was thinking the same thing, and I reckon it will be likely. They have spent $400k for R&D for this figure, they will want to make full use of it. Even if Hasbro don't make Metrotitan, I am sure Takara will do it.

OHHHH YEAHHHH... drooling right now. Can't wait until its out.

Yeah I have to have him. Like max, postage may be a killer. But im guessing he will be lighter than max. So that may help.

I'm gonna wait until this toy's out and someone's had a chance to properly measure it before going off my handle and declaring that it's "Bigger Than Fortress Maximus!" Things to consider:
1. The G1 catalogue also claimed that Fortress Maximus is 2 feet (61cm) tall, but in reality he's actually 'only' 55cm. 6cm is a pretty big discrepancy for an action figure. And what about the other dimensions? Fort Max is 41cm wide (42cm in city mode), 59cm long in city mode and 77cm long in battleship mode! Being tall is one thing, but is it tall and bulky or just tall and lanky?
2. Are they measuring the height from the top of the head, or are they including the antennae? The shoulder cannons seem to rise above those antennae too, so are they measuring up to there? I can understand the logic behind measuring a toy up to it's highest point, it certainly matters when trying to fit big toys onto shelves... but IMO a robot's "true" height is just up to the top of the head -- I guess what I mean is, if FoC Metroplex and Fortress Maximus were to look at each other eye-to-eye, would their eye levels be more or less the same, or would one have to look up at the other?

And height really isn't everything (just look at Beast Machines Cheetor -- the biggest version is the worst, and the smallest one is the best!). As griffin mentioned, while this toy may be tall, it certainly lacks bulk that even G1 Metroplex had more of (despite being about the same size as G1 Ultra Magnus :p). Fortress Maximus is really big, but he justifies that size with his bulk (the toy weighs 5kg) and is absolutely packed with all sorts of play features. Fort Max is a play set, not just for small carded TFs like G1 Metroplex was, but also for the larger boxed toys (i.e. the Headmasters and Targetmasters). Cockpit, double Headmaster, LOTS of hidden weapons, rotating radar/sensor array, deployable ramps, 3 Autobot car launchers, a working lift, stairs, prison cell et al. all make Fortress Maximus one mightily impressive toy, even 26 years later! :) And Encore Fortress Maximus is going to retail for $300 ($250 w/ preorder discount) -- if FoC Metroplex has a US RRP of $125, then it's possible that the AU RRP may be as expensive as $250, throwing it within the price range of Fortress Maximus. That's not necessarily a bad thing so long as the toy can match Fort Max's play value... but I wouldn't bet on it. :o

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

I notice that the city mode looks nothing like FOC Metroplex. I wonder if this is a FIOC or Gens specific version?

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Yeah, my guess would be to make the toy look a bit more G1, and also more fun as a play set. FoC Metroplex's city mode is honestly rather dull from a toy play perspective IMHO.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

Transformers First right there.:D

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Well... Transformers first for robot mode. We've had articulated pupils for Transformers in beast mode before (e.g. Guiledart, Triceradon etc.)

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Originally Posted by griffin

I'm also disappointed that all these FOC toys are coming out so long after the game, which will make them harder to sell - lines that don't have a cartoon, movie or game out don't do well. This could leave us with shelf-warming, making it less likely we see later waves, or this big one that's still six months away.
Hasbro should have had the toys coming out in the 3-4 months before the game release while all the hype was out there and the promotion of the game, so that these sort of bigger ones (Metroplex and triple-changers) were out soon after the game, and then sold out by Christmas.

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Or better yet, just design the toys first and have animators, game designers etc. build models on it after the designs are made. :/

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Originally Posted by griffin

Pricing is likely to be close to $200 here, which is cheaper than Fort Max reissue (which has a more complicated transformation into city mode than this), so I think this one will be compared to that when it comes out.

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I hope it'll be $200! That's a price I can accept... much above that is gonna make me either wait until it gets cheaper, or I'll buy it at full RRP and regret it lots later. :p

Having a simpler transformation than Fortress Maximus is... not good. Cos Fort Max already has a pret-ty darn simple transformation as it is! For anyone who may not have played with a G1 Fort Max IRL before, the toy basically lies down to transform! :eek:

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Originally Posted by The_Damned

metrotitan would be an awesome idea for a repaint

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I agree that Hasbro tend to make terrible large Transformer toys, though some of there other lines have good large toys. Packaging wise this toy looks a bit like Hasbro's huge Star Wars toys, which I hear were very popular and well made (for Hasbro). So maybe Hasbro has learned what sort of features fans and kids want in a super expensive toy.:confused:

Or maybe it's another one to add to the pile with ROF Devestator.

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Originally Posted by Blink90210

I find it really interesting that a "fashionable and functional helmet" is one of the highlighted features. Definate buy for me but does anyone else think it'll shelf-warm by virtue of its price?

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heheh that caught my attention too, .... what?, it can be used as a beanie but quite acceptable in the runway with an understated cardigan:):p;):D plus you can fry an egg in it.. heheheh

just saw the updated pics on tfw2005 for the actual toy...my god looks amazing! Yes for me :)

Although I agree with Griffin, the alt modes are a little underwhelming...but who displays them like that anyways? :p

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Originally Posted by k.wong23

just saw the updated pics on tfw2005 for the actual toy...my god looks amazing! Yes for me :)

Although I agree with Griffin, the alt modes are a little underwhelming...but who displays them like that anyways? :p

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yup it will get transformed back and forth a few times then put in his massive bot mode to stand there gloriously!

I so hope this is not bigger than Fort Max. Fort Max should be the biggest given his iconic status, not some random WFC release.

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Originally Posted by 5FDP

I so hope this is not bigger than Fort Max. Fort Max should be the biggest given his iconic status, not some random WFC release.

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That's just the nostalgia talking. If its a good toy, no reason it can't be as big, or bigger.

Personally I never had Fort Max, never really saw the appeal (hence why I have 0 interest in the encore version). So I'm probably looking at it through a different set of glasses to you. :)

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Originally Posted by Trent

That's just the nostalgia talking. If its a good toy, no reason it can't be as big, or bigger.

Personally I never had Fort Max, never really saw the appeal (hence why I have 0 interest in the encore version). So I'm probably looking at it through a different set of glasses to you. :)

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I'm referring to both the character and the toy when I use the term 'iconic'. I never had the toy as a kid but I was aware of how revered the character was from reading the comics and watching the cartoons (however brief his appearance was in season 4). He has always been known as the largest Transformer ever and justifiably so. FOC Metroplex doesn't even stack up.

It's a bit of comic bias, but Fort Max was just a taller than average bot in basically all but one (cameo) appearance in the various (Western) TF comics to this day. Whereas Metroplex has always been displayed as incredibly huge. [Maybe the toy should come with a reprint of #186/7?]

Giant Fort Max is a great toy but is best as a standalone display piece (or with his brothers) whereas a new giant Metroplex will look "right" displayed with classics.

I know Fort Max was giant in Rebirth but Metroplex was also huge and got a lot more cartoon screen time through season 3 and was more memorable for it IMHO.

I do agree though that Fort Max as the grail-worthy biggest Transformer is a title he should hang on to although Encore rerelease has dampened it a little. Even though Metroplex might be taller, Fort Max will always be the biggest G1 Transformer and a key piece in a G1 collection.

So has this actually been confirmed as Fall of Cybertron version, or just Generations/Universe/Whatever..?

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Originally Posted by Tober

So has this actually been confirmed as Fall of Cybertron version, or just Generations/Universe/Whatever..?

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/j...ps96a6dbf9.jpg

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I think he is more Generations but inspired by FOC. The character model from game to toy is certainly different. They toy seems to borrow elements from both G1 toy and FOC but mostly as a stylized version of the former.

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Originally Posted by Tober

So has this actually been confirmed as Fall of Cybertron version, or just Generations/Universe/Whatever..?

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I didn't see any mention of FOC on the box for him, so I am gonna go with a generations version of Metroplex, inspired but FOC.:p

BBTS has just announced they have FOC Omega Supreme. Checked it out, and it is essentially the Energon Omega they recoloured for the Year of the Snake version with a slightly changed claw. Strangely, that does not make it FOC for me - make one that turns into the massive cool spaceship he flew about as and THAT will be FOC Omega Supreme - not the train/crane/battleship thing that Energon Omega turned into.

Since the Gen1 version has been the inspiration/basis/framework of the IDW & FOC Metroplex artworks, a toy that is also based on the original Gen1 toy/character is possible to be labelled/grouped as either really... depending on your tastes or fiction exposure.
Since the Generations Label is now including IDW models as well as FOC, the wording in the bio might give a clue as to where this one belongs... but IDW and FOC had fairly similar introductions/backgrounds to Metroplex, so maybe Hasbro is keeping it vague to appeal to both IDW and FOC fans/collectors.

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Originally Posted by BigTransformerTrev

make one that turns into the massive cool spaceship he flew about as and THAT will be FOC Omega Supreme - not the train/crane/battleship thing that Energon Omega turned into.

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You mean like this one?;)

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Originally Posted by griffin

I'm in the minority, in that I feel disappointed.

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I have to agree. The alt modes on this guy are crap-tastic. I understand that it's probably designed to be some kind of cyberverse legends playset but G1 Metroplex does a better job of looking like a city. I expected much better after 25 years of engineering advances. There are scout-class toys that feature a greater transformation complexity.

That said, I really do appreciate the commitment from Hasbro behind making a toy of this scale and hope it is a success so that better things may follow.

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Originally Posted by k.wong23

just saw the updated pics on tfw2005 for the actual toy...my god looks amazing! Yes for me :)

Although I agree with Griffin, the alt modes are a little underwhelming...but who displays them like that anyways? :p

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Regardless of which mode you display it in, you'd play with it in both modes! So while I would display it in robot mode, having a poor alt mode would suck each time I transform it while fiddling or full on playing with it. If alt modes didn't matter then I'd probably have a more favourable opinion of Action Masters, Revoltech, Robot Replicas and other such non-transformable rubbish^toys. :p ;)

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Originally Posted by BigTransformerTrev

BBTS has just announced they have FOC Omega Supreme. Checked it out, and it is essentially the Energon Omega they recoloured for the Year of the Snake version with a slightly changed claw. Strangely, that does not make it FOC for me - make one that turns into the massive cool spaceship he flew about as and THAT will be FOC Omega Supreme - not the train/crane/battleship thing that Energon Omega turned into.

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Gah... that's disappointing. :( The Energon Omega Supreme mould is so supremely crap IMHO. :( Suddenly Metroplex looks really REALLY good now. ;)

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Originally Posted by Trent

You mean like this one?;)

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Thats awesome! Way too pricey for me though!

It looks like to me that BBTS is stretching the truth a bit to get a few extra buyers on the YOTS Omega.

What really blew me away about this Beast is something that 1AZRAEL1 mentioned that seems to of been lost in the 'Wonder' of this figure:

• Generations Metroplex cost Hasbro $400,000 to tool up! :eek::eek::eek:

That is a HUGE! investment on a toy that in many ways is an incredible gamble. :o


There is a hell of a lot of boxes that this figure ticks for me, namely: 'Giant Robot Toy!' :D:D:D

• This bloke is going to have articulated LED pupils!?! :eek:
• A mouth-light that flashes (Think Bender from Futurama) in time with the sound gimmick of 'Direct from the game' lines of speech! :D
• A legends class Scamper figure. :cool:
• A bevy of articulation that no previous city former has had, including articulated fingers. :)
• An extremely reminiscent G1 & FoC blended design aesthetic & silhouette in Robot mode! ;)
• A G1-esque sticker sheet for all the various details (Apparently to aid in keeping the cost down according to a Hasbro Rep). :cool:
• A pair of Alt modes that are directly related to the G1 figure, keeping in-line with the Classicsverse's original design aims. :D

+ He's a GIANT ROBOT TOY!!! :D:cool:


Local acquisition is going to be a pain :rolleyes:, so I will be importing this guy from where ever is the most cost effective place of purchase (as I refuse to deal with Aussie Retail's ineptitude :mad:) but a $150-$200 price-tag is perfectly fine by me. ;):cool:

Who'd of ever thought that Hasbro would ever turn around in this modern era & even contemplate offering a figure that is 2ft tall again? :confused:
Metroplex seems to me like it means/represents a lot of things to Hasbro, such as:

• Hasbro simply cannot offer the Encore FortMax to its Western Markets, this is their answer.
• This figure does both the G1 Metroplex figure & the Classics/Universe 2.0/Generations/Hunt for The Decepticons/Reveal The Shield lines justice.
• It celebrates the 30th Anniversary of Transformers, both as a play pattern & the brand's long standing in Western Popular Culture.
• It also represents the single largest toy based on an individual character available to Western (& likely Eastern) markets natively in the world - Nothing at this year's toyfair comes close.

Just imagine Hasbro's delight when all the various toy industry rep's eyes fall upon the Hasbro display booth & this giant robot can be seen from 20+ meters away!, what it says about Hasbro as a company to other companies & what they're able to achieve in this fiscally tight time. ;)

For as much as we think Generations Metroplex is for us, just have a little think of what he must surely mean for Hasbro - Because I think he's just as much for them. ;):)

@ $400,000 I reckon they coulda done something more than an articulated G1 Metroplex.

You can't deny that Hasbro are taking things in a surprisingly wonderful direction though. This behemoth is clearly exciting a lot of nerds. What's not to like about a massive robot?

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Originally Posted by canofwhoopass_87

What's not to like about a massive robot?

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We've had our fair share of really bad big-bum toys; Supreme Cheetor, Energon Omega Supreme, Super Cybertron Starscream, ROTF Combiner Class Devastator...

Being tall and having lots of gimmick is one thing, but whether or not it means that the toy is any good or not remains to be seen. Fortress Maximus, as a Transformer action figure, is pretty ordinary. But as a play set he is just maxed out (no pun intended) with play features and gimmicks that justify the size and price. Will Metroplex be worth paying $200 for? Let's wait and see... :)

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

We've had our fair share of really bad big-bum toys; Supreme Cheetor, Energon Omega Supreme, Super Cybertron Starscream, ROTF Combiner Class Devastator...

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Ok, I gotta admit that my combiner class ROTF Devastator sucks big time! I cant even get him back together properly since I separated him into his 6 vehicles. But I did quite like Energon Omega Supreme and my giant Cybertron Starscream, I thought they were very cool toys! Never even bothered with Supreme Cheetor though.

He looks pretty impressive in 'bot mode, and that's how he'll probably stay in my collection. I never got in to the whole cyberverse thing so I don't think I'd use him as a play set.

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Originally Posted by Blink90210

I find it really interesting that a "fashionable and functional helmet" is one of the highlighted features. Definate buy for me but does anyone else think it'll shelf-warm by virtue of its price?

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Hopefully just long enough for me to get my hands on one! :o

gok if you want to compare the retail price with fort max you have to compare it with what it would retail for here, not the japanese retail price. And i thought energon omega was an awesome transformer.

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Originally Posted by The_Damned

gok if you want to compare the retail price with fort max you have to compare it with what it would retail for here, not the japanese retail price.

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I would if Hasbro released it here*. :/ But unless that happens I only have the Japanese RRP to work off. If Hasbro sells a toy for better value than TakaraTOMY, then I'll give credit to Hasbro, like with many of the recent MPs (especially w/ the upcoming MP Soundwave). For me it's about which toy's gonna give me better value for my money.

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*G1 Fortress Maximus was incredibly rare here, I don't know for sure what his original RRP was in 1987, but considering that it retailed in the U.S. for US$90 -- so I might've sold here for maybe $180?? The Japanese RRP might give us a closer indicator because their prices were higher than the US and closer to what we paid. e.g. a single G1 Constructicon retailed for 980JPY ($10), and I remember my G1 Constructicons costing $9 each, so that's reasonably close to the Australian RRP. So Fortress Maximus originally retailed in Japan for 12800JPY or $135. So I'm guesstimating that Fortress Maximus might've cost between $135-180 in Australia; if we average that it comes to $157.50 (let's round it up to $160). It's impossible to confirm how much Fort Max sold here for unless someone has a copy of an Australian store catalogue showing Fort Max from 1987/88. :o Now of course, that was the cost of Fort Max in 1987 -- so we need to adjust for inflation. Let's calculate that based off the difference in price between the JP RRP for G1 and Encore Fort Max. So if the RRP for G1 Fort Max was 12800JPY and Encore Fort Max is 29800JPY - so that's a difference of about 133%. So if we guesstimate the AU RRP of Fort Max in 1987 to be about $160 and increase that by $133, we'd get $373. So I guess that if Hasbro sold Fort Max here, it might cost $370-75. But it's also possible that Hasbro AU might be able to match or better TakTOM's RRP, like they effectively did with MP Soundwave.

Emiliano contributed to Metroplex:

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/

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Originally Posted by kup

Emiliano contributed to Metroplex:

http://santalux.blogspot.com.au/

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How awesome is it eh? :eek: - He mentioned it via twitter yesterday, a massive boon for him & High Moon Studios I'd reckon - I certainly hope Hasbro gives him the 'go ahead' to release his initial design sketches for Metroplex. :):cool:

honestly, i don't like this metroplex. i would have preferred the bulky titan in the actual FOC game comparable to the WFC Omega Supreme. And I would have suggested they make him hollow with all his city gimmicks folding out.

but looking at all his modes, they're very unimpressive (except for the head sculpt -that i like) his robot mode the focus just looks too tall and skinny. my god his waist! its tiny!

Thinking about it more, I think the simplicity of the transformation is probably borne from a combinations of...
- cost of R&D and production, to bring the toy down as cheap as possible, a simpler design would cost lest to design and engineer (and produce if it has less moveable parts to manufacture).
- the sheer weight of the toy, makes it more difficult for a kid to convert a more complicated toy. Anyone with a Gen1 Fort Max can attest to this - the toy needs to be sitting on the floor when transforming, as it is way too heavy (even for most adults) to do it easily.

If these are reasons (keeping the cost down, if this toy costs a lot less per kilo than other size classes - keeping it simple, if it ends up being very heavy), I'll forgive Hasbro for its simplicity, and happily value it in the collection.

I would've loved to be involved in the drop-test for this thing :D

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Originally Posted by Hursticon

What really blew me away about this Beast is something that 1AZRAEL1 mentioned that seems to of been lost in the 'Wonder' of this figure:

• Generations Metroplex cost Hasbro $400,000 to tool up! :eek::eek::eek:

That is a HUGE! investment on a toy that in many ways is an incredible gamble. :o


There is a hell of a lot of boxes that this figure ticks for me, namely: 'Giant Robot Toy!' :D:D:D

• This bloke is going to have articulated LED pupils!?! :eek:
• A mouth-light that flashes (Think Bender from Futurama) in time with the sound gimmick of 'Direct from the game' lines of speech! :D
• A legends class Scamper figure. :cool:
• A bevy of articulation that no previous city former has had, including articulated fingers. :)
• An extremely reminiscent G1 & FoC blended design aesthetic & silhouette in Robot mode! ;)
• A G1-esque sticker sheet for all the various details (Apparently to aid in keeping the cost down according to a Hasbro Rep). :cool:
• A pair of Alt modes that are directly related to the G1 figure, keeping in-line with the Classicsverse's original design aims. :D

+ He's a GIANT ROBOT TOY!!! :D:cool:


Local acquisition is going to be a pain :rolleyes:, so I will be importing this guy from where ever is the most cost effective place of purchase (as I refuse to deal with Aussie Retail's ineptitude :mad:) but a $150-$200 price-tag is perfectly fine by me. ;):cool:

Who'd of ever thought that Hasbro would ever turn around in this modern era & even contemplate offering a figure that is 2ft tall again? :confused:
Metroplex seems to me like it means/represents a lot of things to Hasbro, such as:

• Hasbro simply cannot offer the Encore FortMax to its Western Markets, this is their answer.
• This figure does both the G1 Metroplex figure & the Classics/Universe 2.0/Generations/Hunt for The Decepticons/Reveal The Shield lines justice.
• It celebrates the 30th Anniversary of Transformers, both as a play pattern & the brand's long standing in Western Popular Culture.
• It also represents the single largest toy based on an individual character available to Western (& likely Eastern) markets natively in the world - Nothing at this year's toyfair comes close.

Just imagine Hasbro's delight when all the various toy industry rep's eyes fall upon the Hasbro display booth & this giant robot can be seen from 20+ meters away!, what it says about Hasbro as a company to other companies & what they're able to achieve in this fiscally tight time. ;)

For as much as we think Generations Metroplex is for us, just have a little think of what he must surely mean for Hasbro - Because I think he's just as much for them. ;):)

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Well said good sir!

i am very interested in this figure, initially i thought the two alt modes looked a little gangly, though if you look at them at least one must be fairly poorly transformed because the heli Pad is on it's side. unless it's facing upwards and not visible in the photo for the other mode. on closer inspection, there is another larger one that is hard to see in city mode, but it's got a grill/net hanging off the front side like many modern elevated heli pads do for emergency situations (where a helicopter or people go over the side.) that's a very nice touch.

the fact that it's scaled to cyberverse Legion/legends scale classics makes it an awesome display option in either mode, as long as you've got a big enough shelf.:o:rolleyes:

I think they've mixed the game and classics/G1 aesthetic really well, it does look a bit narrow in the waist but perhaps that was necessary. I think there are a lot of nuances to the transformation (I'm looking at the legs mainly at the moment) that involve more "modern engineering" than easily noticeable at first. It's a bit disappointing that the hands don't seem to fold away at all, but I think there will be a fair bit of minute transformation that effects outward aesthetic of each mode.

Griffins comment about size and weight contributing to an apparently simple transformation makes a fair bit of sense.

Walky (shortpacked) also pointed out that it looks like the "road" from the chest to the end of the leg is unobstructed in city mode, this is a big improvement, and allowing unobstructed path like that, while maintaining structural strength in the toys legs is a feat in itself.

I'm quietly looking forward to this, it's going to look fantastic with a dozen legion class figures swarming over it. I'm just trying not to get too excited so i don't make it impossible for it to impress me when i finally get hold of it.

If this is the start of the 30th anniversary celebrations from Hasbro, I can't wait to see what's coming up.:D:eek::cool:

In robot mode I'm a big fan
Nice proportions
Close to the G1 model
Nice gimmicks
Great size

The alt modes are a let down though
The rolling battle station mode looks to be an improvement over the G1 toy but city mode looks like the robot sitting on his a*se doing the splits and holding his arms out.

I agree with Griff that 30 yrs of toy technology should have produced something a little bit more complex than this.

Still. It'll be a great display piece and I'm just happy we're getting a new and BIG metroplex

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Originally Posted by Eazy D

In robot mode I'm a big fan
Nice proportions
Close to the G1 model
Nice gimmicks
Great size

The alt modes are a let down though
The rolling battle station mode looks to be an improvement over the G1 toy but city mode looks like the robot sitting on his a*se doing the splits and holding his arms out.

I agree with Griff that 30 yrs of toy technology should have produced something a little bit more complex than this.

Still. It'll be a great display piece and I'm just happy we're getting a new and BIG metroplex

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I actually quite like the two ramp thing alt mode that they displayed at the fair.