The original Dodge Viper was built using an engine out of a truck recast out of alloy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky
And we all know how that monster turned out :cool:
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The original Dodge Viper was built using an engine out of a truck recast out of alloy. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky
And we all know how that monster turned out :cool:
RE: Action Masters
Unlike Ultimetal Optimus Prime, Action Masters weren't just non-convertible merchandise or a sub line of toys - they were part of the "mainstream" line of Transformers and they comprised a reasonably significant part of the toyline at the time. This Ultimetal Optimus Prime is a piece of Transformers merchandise, it's not part of the action figure line proper. Transformation is a significant part of the appeal of the Transformers franchise - the 'puzzle play' is a core part of the Transformers line's play pattern. The bread and butter if you will. I can understand that there will be 'peripheral' toys and items of merchandise that don't transform - we've had that since the 1980s (e.g. voice changer Ultra Magnus etc.), but I think that action figures that are part of the "main" action figure line ought to be able to transform. ROTF Combiner Class Devastator was another more recent example of how a toy that didn't "really" transform (i.e had no individual robot modes) wasn't received well by the market, as evidenced by it's incredible shelfwarming.
As Cat said, this is not a toy. It's a piece of merchandise. It's a very expensive piece of merchandise, no doubt... but that's what it is. :o And as he said, if we want something to play with, that's what proper action figures are for, like MP10. Action Masters sucked because they existed in lieu of proper transforming action figures. :( Ultimetal OP is personally not my thing (neither are busts or statues), but I don't begrudge it either. It's not a toy, and it's not trying to be a toy... unlike Action Masters who were very much marketed as being part of the core action figure line.
http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/p...06&mode=retail
$1300US at BBTS.
I don't even want to know what their shipping will be.
And I (mostly) agree with Gok. We always disagree, but HE GETS IT.
He's just wrong about how awesome Action Masters were and are, but that's a whole different story. ;)
Everything else, he completely NAILED.
First sign of the apocalypse? YES.
But more important than the apocalypse, HE GETS IT.
And MP10 is such a great analogue for this piece. For some reason I cannot fathom, and I don't believe anyone has pointed out, this piece uses the covered leg-wheels of the MP10 design, when there was absolutely no need to. It's a bit of a strange choice really.
For that price, I'd like the Megatron one to have that funky glowing grid effects from when Unicron upgraded him in the animated movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
i saw it but it made no difference to me. Optimus has had various aesthetic design choices and really there's nothing wrong with having the wheels open/closed - its still Optimus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat
to me the problem is that it looks way too much like MP-10. it looks 5x better sure, but costs 10x more...
It was pointed out on page one that it looks like an upscaled MP-10. It has the squared fuel tanks from MP-10, and the dead eyes, and ... do you really need what you can see spelled out for you? There are homages to MP-1 and 10 all through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat
A better look through this thread would also reveal that everyone GETS that it doesn't transform, and isn't supposed to. And that's why many don't want to GET it. Along with the premium price.
GOT IT?
I wouldn't, as it would be a constant and expensive reminder of what happens to him in that horrible movie... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by CBratron
Instead... how about, a working fusion cannon? :D
I'd say it's for show-likeness, because in the G1 cartoon Optimus Prime's wheels just disappear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/...shermandam.jpg
Horrible?!? Watching both Primes slap the taste out of his mouth were the best parts! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
Now that would be cool on any Megatron figure :DQuote:
Instead... how about, a working fusion cannon? :D
My point was we don't need to get it that is cannot transform. It was the justification of the price tag. Like said, I have compared to very similar robot releases and being said Optimus is very basic in design.
Someone from my prospective who had build a PG gundam would know, this isn't a big deal and it shouldn't be priced that high.
Like said, is this made in Japan?
http://www.hlj.com/product/TKT49588/Sci
The model kit is for example a cool untransforming Optimus but hey it isn't a 20000 yen kit.
There will be somebody looking at this 70000yen boy and say "I can make this cheaper, affordable and better"
Yeah well, Galvatron doesn't count. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
I cant belive this thread has gone on as long as it has! Just because the figure does not transform!! How about we all agree to disagree.
haha ikr? i just ignored the whole thing and commented on the design. Thinking back on the price though, it would have been awesome if they incorporated different shell pieces so you could display it as your 'preferred' G1 Prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by orionpax1
http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...ps40c0e01a.jpg
or this one:
http://i1320.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0bac4518.jpg
That is not a bad shell.
Uranium is dangerously radioactive with a soft soapy texture. no.Quote:
Originally Posted by drifand
If there was a significant amount of this machined from Titanium, you'd be looking at probably $5000 to $10000 at least. but damn that would be cool, Titanium is one of my favorite elements.
Looking at some of the super crisp edges on this, it's possible that a fair amount of the structure has been machined rather than cast, this would add a significant cost to the finished product but overall might actually be cheaper than setting up a casting production run for what is most likely a comparatively small number of units.
Machined Aluminium makes the most sense to me. but I may be biased:o
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Based on the weight and assuming you have an existing POL, i'd suggest it will cost about US$30 or so. Without a POL US$60-64 depending on shipping method. they seem to have 136 of them in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat
And you thought it was hard to legally own a G1 accurate Megatron now!!:eek::eek::DQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatron
Though i admit that would be totally awesome!
I'm going to have to stop looking at this thread, the more I keep looking at the pictures of this "Merchandise" the louder the little voice in the back of my head is getting. "you can save up for this, easy just a few months of not eating. You can make room for it, just throw out the TV, Mrs UltraMarginal wont notice. much"
Pass it off as MP-10! - She can't tell the difference (until she tries to transform it lol.)Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraMarginal
Last checked, I have a Turn-A Titanium Gundam and it definitely didn't go over $150. But like said, this would at most come close to the SOC DX Mazinger which I heard is like a brick.
If anything it will be diecast like what mp01 was. What is scary is it still stated pvc and a lot of plastic.
If this was more affordable, yes I buy one. The head seems to looks great, but for that price it better be.
She be wondering why you are eating indo mee everyday.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
Unfortunately there is al ready an MP-10 in the house, she would be able to tell the difference. The size would be the biggest issue. money would have to come from my spending account which is mine to start with and I'd have to forego so many other transformers to be able to afford this fella. just out of my budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
If only Titanium transformers were made from Titanium and not die cast steel, they would have been so much lighter and less munted. unfortunately they would have been at least an order of magnitude more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by drifand
Titanium is harder to work with as well.
Anyway straight up, the prime is nice. But the price tag is way out, at least for me.
No way would the BBTS shipping be less than $30. Nowadays they charge you more than that if you even blink at your POL. I've had cheaper smaller statues sent from them as part of my POL that cost a lot more for shipping, and that was before the latest increase, and on pieces that weren't as heavy as I'd imagine this will.
And I know BBTS has to have their mark-up, but that's ridiculous. That's more than I'm willing to pay, before shipping.
Good to see someone else tempted by this.
It looks to be a nice mix of diecast and plastic, and it does look machined, doesn't it. It should all be nice and precise. My only concern is chipping of the paint, as even their proto has a few examples of that.
And Gok, what I meant was that it seemed strange they copied the MP10 legs when if they were going for Dreamwave/cartoon (mostly DW, so many elements match up to Lee's disaster) look, then they didn't need to have any of that part there like that. The wheels could either have not been there, or be folded in behind, or any of a million other options. They aren't limited by having to account for a transformation, so parts don't need to be engineered as if they were, to that degree. I don't mind that they took MP10's approach, it works fine for me, I just think that was a curious element to take. Especially as again, they went so heavily off of the Dreamwave design. Just curious that they took that element from MP10. Not complaining, just think it's an interesting choice.
I still can't work out where the remote goes. It looks like it tabs into the base somewhere, going by the paint scraped off the tab on the remote. Can't work out where though. Does it simply slot behind the axe compartment and enclose that? It looks like it goes somewhere.
I love the Hasbro MP10 more than the TT because of the painted eyes. I hate the dead-eyed look, and while this looks perfect and beautiful, I imagine it'll look dead-eyed most of the time, as I wouldn't keep the lights permanently on. It's neat that it does have the remote though. Statues with light-up features are generally a pain in the ass because they're rarely in a convenient spot. The remote is a great remedy for that.
Anime Export has it listed for $886.92. Release in June, but you have to pay upfront.
They should start instalments for such products. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tober
It will feel "affordable" actually after all is their gain nothing to loose as long as the item is set aside and with a suitable time frame that you have to complete payment.
http://www.robotkingdom.com/just-lis...mber-2013.html
RK has it listed $799 and to ship: Registered Air Mail Parcel $90.14/EMS $132
I wouldn't recommend to save on shipping at this stage. We are almost going to be charged GST for it.
Cool, thanks. Strange that their release date is December tho... Six months ahead of AE.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
GST?Quote:
Originally Posted by drifand
Good-you're-Salivating Tax :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
How about whoever wins the lottery (in the near future) buys 10 of these to give away to members of the forum?
ur yes, it almost reach 1K. I said almost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
This will have to be one of those big ones 20 mil, you be surprised that 4 mil wins are not often big after shared dividends.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
Problem might be trying to obtain 10 by that time. lol
Hahahah XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Lint
Most metal one too!
In case anyone cares, BBTS have dropped their price, by a rather drastic amount.
Was $1400, and is now $979, obviously before shipping.
I guess they realised how insane that mark-up was.
They probably have a standard percentage markup hat they apply to all products. It's just in this case it was slightly over the top :o
So... Is anyone here actually going to order one? :confused:
Cat was thinking about it, but I think he was turned off by the fact that it doesn't transform.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tober
Which is a shame because that's really not the point. If only he understood...
I'm sick of explaining it to that bastard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent
One day he'll realise it's not meant to transform.
;)
Edit: In case it's not clear, I'm jokingly referring to myself here.
While it's not my cup of tea, I think it's a very impressive piece of engineering.
At first, I thought that the 'skeleton' would be metal and the outer armour would be mostly plastic, but if Google Translate is correct, the armour is also metal, so materials alone would account for a large chunk of the asking price.
Reading the online translation, I'm also getting the impression that the face plate moves when the figure 'talks'! Are there any other Optimus figures that can do that?
So it doesn't transform. That doesn't bother me at all. I doubt people who would get something this big and expensive would be transforming it very often, if at all.
My only gripe is that I feel there should be more lights, namely the fog lights on his shoulders, his axe and his rifle.
If these pictures and description are any indication, it seems that if you're after the best possible rendition of G1 Optimus in robot mode, then you should seriously consider this.
I think the shoulder lights do light up, as well as his eyes. Not sue about the axe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnus
Yes, the faceplate moves as he speaks, apparently.
The thing that bugs me most is that I might not like the actual finish on it. It looks too shiny, but that might just be the lighting...
It looks like the fog-lights do light up.
I don't think the blaster does, but it's tough to tell for sure.