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Originally Posted by BruiseLee
Nah, I grew up with G1 and the toys were/are crap. Chances are, in 15-20 years time you'll take off your rose coloured glasses and probably feel the same way about Cybertron.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltimateGalvatron
Yeah. G1's scope of articulation was often limited to swinging the arms up to horizontal at the elbow or shoulder. So many loose fists, weapons and rockets to lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
They were bricks but the cartoons and a little imagination were enough to breathe life into them😊
I'll be honest I was often disappointed with what the G1 artwork portrayed and what was actually achievable in real life. (Jumpstarters I am looking your way!)Quote:
Originally Posted by CBratron
I am wondering what Sinnertwin thinks is good if G1 and Cybertron get a fail? :p
Yeah I pretty much don't care much about G1 toys since they aren't well articulated compared to stuff from Beast Wars-onwards and haven't aged well, except for a few toys in G2 (Laser Optimus Prime, Dreadwing and Smokescreen are examples)Quote:
Originally Posted by CBratron
Pre-ordered Transformers Devastation (PS3) from EB Games today. :o
I just hope that the single player version is good enough so that this game will still be enjoyable after people stop playing the multiplayer version online. I like to have a single player option where you just kill bots. It's good for a quick play when you don't have time to go through a story or campaign mode.
I tried to do the same on Friday to no avail. Looks like Activision are pulling an FOC and releasing it only online for the PC.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Our worlds are in danger!
To save them and the galaxy we must find the four Cyber Planet Keys, before the Decepticons can use them for evil.
IT IS OUR MISSION!
Hot Shot! Jetfire! Vector Prime! Landmine! Scattorshot! Optimus Prime! Transform and roll out!
:p
:confused: But I just strolled into my local EB Games today and preordered it for PS3. Maybe you should try again, or try a different store.Quote:
Originally Posted by prjkt
Also, FoC was released here on PS3 too (that's the version I have), but not for PC. I initially wanted to get the PC version, but when I discovered that it wasn't going to be released here, I bought a PS3 and pre-ordered FoC for PS3.
I think he was talking about pre-ordering the PC version, not the PS3 version...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
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Originally Posted by prjkt
Yeah that's what I meant - I ended up getting FOC through Steam, so hopefully Devastation shows up there eventually.
I won't be able to get Devastation on Steam. Due to some russians trying to hack my steam account, I had to block it which means I'm only gonna be able to play it on my PlayStation :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by prjkt
It should. There's no option to pre-order yet, but Steam does have a store page set up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by prjkt
I had no idea what Steam was (other than heated water vapour) until earlier this afternoon, when a Year 7 student tried to explain it to me. :o Yeah... that's how much I'm into gaming. :p
Did my hair in a rush this morning as was running late for work. Got here, saw my relection and realised "Damn - I'm rocking RID Sideswipes doo!" :p
Just think of it as the template for the Apple App Store, but for PC gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I don't... is that an online shopping thing? I...Quote:
Originally Posted by prjkt
*drops on floor*
*curls up sucking thumb rocking back slowly*
#onlineshoppingnoob
When a combiner combines would they be able to go into the other bots minds. Therefore if there was a traitor they could kill them while combined or something.
I'd imagine doing so would have serious repurcussions for the rest of the team though - otherwise the Stunticons woukd just kill Motormaster since none if them can stand him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
This is why fans have long referred to combiner team robots as "Gestalts." As well as distinguishing them from other forms of Combiners (because from 1990-2001, that was the only official usage of the word 'Combiner'), it's also a reference to gestalt psychology, which looks at the mind as having a reality of its own that is separate from its parts. The word "gestalt" (say "ger-shtah'lt") means to be greater than the sum of ones parts.
So traditionally, gestalts tend to have gestalt minds; one that is greater than the sum of the individual minds that comprise it. This can be good or bad, depending on the individual minds themselves. It tends to work better among Autobot gestalts than Decepticon gestalts, because Autobots tend to be better at thinking more harmoniously and working cooperatively. Decepticons tend to be more selfish and even harbour ill feelings towards each other, which ends up creating a fractured gestalt mind. This is why Decepticon gestalts tend to be more psychologically unstable.
A balanced gestalt mind is required in order for the gestalt to function efficiently. Look at Defensor; you have two Protectobots with polar opposite views on combat. Blades, who's a violent action junkie, and Groove the pacifist (his personality was transplanted to First Aid in the G1 cartoon, but if you read the original tech specs bios, Groove is the pacifist). Defensor cannot allow Blades' more violent nature nor Groove's too pacifistic tendencies to dominate his mind, so what probably happens is that the two opposing views are balanced out, so that Defensor can be a force to reckon with, but only uses violence as a last resort. Decepticon gestalts are said to just become confused by the conflicting thoughts of their component members.
Regarding your question in terms of whether or not the component members can actually tap into each other's individual minds... I think it depends on the continuity, or possibly even the individual gestalt. It does appear to be that way in the IDW comics with Prowlastator etc. I'm not sure if Menasor had that level of psychological intimacy... cos Motormaster would likely want to kill all the other Stunticons if he knew how they truly felt about him (they all hate Motormaster). Or at the very least, refuse to work together again.
Although this might explain why Combiner Wars Groove has been relegated as a chest plate. :p
On one hand, that at least explains why even among "Scramble City" type combiners (or any combiner who can exchange limbs with another, really) there are still teams: presumably those teams would have the best assortment of personalities, or at least the closest bond, to allow them to form the most effective gestalt personality. So for instance a version of Ultra Prime made up of Optimus, Rodimus, and the four Protectobots wouldn't integrate as effectively as Defensor would.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
On the other, it makes me wonder about those individuals such as Optimus Prime, Cyclonus, Grand Scourge, and apparently CW Scattershot, who are able to form their "Combiner" with any group of limbs they choose. Are the combined forms they create "ineffective" due to an insufficient balancing of personality components, or are the personalities of the torso/core simply so forceful that they are able to override those of their limbs? Given the individuals to whom this applies, I'd suggest it's the latter, but I'm a little iffy about whether Cyclonus and Scattershot are really that willful. It's an interesting topic to consider either way.
And I thought I knew a lot about transformers :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Groove as a chestplate was because as defensor got older his armour plating sagged so he needed a bra.
Ew
Well he is 30, as he first appeared in g1 in 1985Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
As someone who only had the cartoon to go on (I didn't get to read too many toy bios back in the day, and I certainly didn't read any comics), I always thought that there was a separate, latent personality for the combined form inside the torso/leader, and that was unlocked or activated when the team combined. :confused:
That's pretty much how I've always played it with my toys. :D It was also helped justify all the 'mix and matched' gestalts I had. e.g. Hot Spot combined with Slingshot, First Aid, Lightspeed and Afterburner was still Defensor etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnus
From here
Rodimus Prime wasn't nearly as bad as Wheelie in the G1 cartoon. He would've been a better leader if he didn't compare himself with Optimus Prime so much, where he was often seen doubting himself and not feeling worthy to be Optimus' successor. Guh. Bumblebee does the same thing in the current Robots In Disguise series, which was also highly annoying, but I did like how <RiD2015 spoiler> even after Optimus Prime returned from the dead, he refused to usurp Bumblebee, insisting that Bumblebee retain his position as Autobot commander. </spoiler> It's a significant improvement over the G1 cartoon, where the complete opposite happened. :rolleyes: But honestly, aside from the occasional moments of self-doubt, Rodimus Prime really was actually an alright Autobot leader.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lint
Wheelie and Daniel on the other hand is a whole 'nuther story. As I've often said on other threads, they're basically the G1 cartoon's equivalent to Jar Jar Binks. They are characters who takes up a lot of screen time (Wheelie appears more frequently than any of the other 1986 Autobot Mini-Cars, especially poor Hubcap who never even appeared at all!), but yet they contributes so little to the actual story. So Ultra Magnus doesn't get a birthday (that's not even his actual creation date)... big freakin' whoop. Daniel, Wheelie and Jar Jar are characters where you could omit almost all of their screen appearances and it would make very little (if any) difference to the story. They are just wasting screen time. The tap-dancing monkey from TF Prime actually has greater significance in its screen appearance than Wheelie or Daniel! I'm serious! Wheelie was slightly less annoying in The Headmasters (although that's not hard); at least the Japanese version doesn't make him constantly speak in lame rhymes... uh... otherwise he's still pretty stupid.
Many of you will remember Rob Jung's "Trannies" awards that ran through the 90s and 00s where Daniel and Wheelie were consistently voted by fans as the most hated characters in all Transfandom. And who could forget the BotCon 2001 comic which brutally killed off Daniel and Wheelie - and it's official canon! :D I remember laughing my head off when I first found out, and laughing and high-fiving other fans over it. :o (I later experienced a similar reaction when I saw Robot Chicken's "Jar Jar Returns" skit (although alas that's not canon :p).
This isn't to say that Wheelie is an inherently bad character, per se. His original tech specs bio actually portrays him as something better, which the G1 cartoon failed to capitalise on. He was originally described as something akin to Mowgli from Rudyard Kipling's Jungle Book. The wild boy, the survivor (his function is Survivalist after all). The Big Looker Books and IDW comics have been more accurate to Wheelie's original character.
Haven't had much chance to look at my transformers lately. But I realised the combiner wars toys I've bought I still don't have a complete team :o
Sounds like the way that I (and probably many other people) collected gestalts during G1! :D #oldschoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
QFT! I think the best I ever did back in the day was two legs of a Defensor. Could have got an arm as well but I managed to sweet-talk my mother into a Grimlock instead. Good trade!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
why do the simpler easier to mold shelf warming rid warriors $4 more than the complex (sort of) CW deluxe class figures?
No idea... but, the customer demographics are different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
(for those not knowing what Jaxius is talking about, these are the prices here of these two size-classes)
GEN Deluxe (US RRP - $17) - - 25 KM... 29 BW... 30 TW/TG/TRU/M...
RID Warrior (US RRP - $15) - - 29 KM/TG/BW... 30 TRU... 32-35 TW...
The RID toys are are like regular gimmick toys, they are aimed at parents and "gift" purchasing by those who most often buy random toys in a toyline (or even random toylines) and don't know that RID Warriors are cheaper than GEN Deluxes in America ($15 Vs $17). As such, they could be made to pay more for it, and not question it if it is in their budget.
The GEN toys are aimed at committed collectors (new or old) who are there to specifically buy certain toys, and are more likely to factor in pricing, because they buy often enough to be familiar, or they have been online about their hobby. As such, they would purchase from alternate sources, like importing, if it is cheaper.
I would like to think that Hasbro Australia have done this intentionally, so that the RID (and gimmick) toys are subsidising the Generations toys here, because they are aware of the two target demographics... knowing that if they have to raise prices due to the dropping AU$, the RID toys will still sell here at higher prices, but the GEN toys are less likely to.
Well yet again we are on our cross state drive. For the first two hours Orion has been sitting in the back in his TFPrime tshirt watching season 1 of Animated while I've been driving in my G1 shirt listening to the soundtrack to the 86 movie.
My daughter went to sleep and my wife's being playing in her iPad - both in self defence I think :p
I saw an ad for hasbros star wars micro machines. this got me thinking wasn't micro machines the competition (of sorts) with the micro masters of the time at the tail end of g1. Did Hasbro gain the trademark all those years ago?
Micro Machones were all the rage and were grabbing a big slice of the toy market so Hasbro essentially nicked the idea for Micromasters. Different trademarks - like Lego and KreO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
Hasbro is not above plagiarism ;)
Micromasters were made by Hasbro to copy/compete with Galoob's Micro Machines (a bit like creating Kreo to copy/compete with Lego).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
But just like Kreo, Micromasters didn't last, and around the 1990s, Hasbro started buying up a number of smaller toy companies instead of competing with them.... which included Galoob (Micro Machines), Tonka, Kenner (Gobots & Star Wars), and a few others.
So now brands like Micro Machines are owned by Hasbro, and it's just been a while since they last sold them (I think the Star Wars Titaniums in around 2008 were considered "Micro Machines" as they had Galoob on the packaging).
The reason for the Star Wars Micro Machines this year is because Mattel gained a license to do diecast Star Wars vehicles under their Hot Wheels Brand, and Micro Machines from Hasbro was probably allowed by Disney, as long as they are "micro" sized so that they don't clash with Mattel's license (Hasbro can produce action figures and vehicles with their exclusive license, but Mattel must have gained a license to exclusively produce diecast vehicles that are Hot Wheels sized).
That reminds me... Micro Machines in the 1980s had commercials voiced by John Moschitta (the voice of Blurr), as he had the worlds fastest voice.
Sorry... I HAVE to post up a link to his Fedex ad.
Also, there was an economic recession in the early 90s (many of us G1ers will remember Paul Keating describing it as "The recession we had to have"). With more families tightening their belts, it meant that toy companies like Galoob and Hasbro were looking at ways of downsizing toys to make them cheaper and give people better value for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._
And I gotta say, one of the best things about collecting Micromasters was the incredibly awesome value for money! :D You could grab a Micromaster Patrol with your pocket money and get four Transformers in a single purchase. Six if you bought a Combiner Squad (which were a bit dearer). For birthdays or Xmases, you could get a boxed Micromaster playset, which included its own Micromaster figure, and of course, they all joined up to create a big Micromaster metropolis! :D And boy did our collection counts suddenly growing at an exponential rate! :eek:
I love little toy metropolises, I used to collect Hot Wheels citys back in the day, you know when you could make a little metropolis with highways and suchQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
nowadays its just stuff to add to your hot wheels tracks. I'm upset i got rid of all my hot wheels city stuff :( they were fun
True - Micromasters make up more than a quarter of my G1 collection count.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Some younger fans might not realise how closely they imitated Micro Machines back then. The four pack, the reflective silver foil under the vehicles, even the original design of the 'Micro' brand on the TF boxes is suggestive of the Galoob packaging. And of course the TV advertising for the Micromasters: "The Most Incredible Micros Of All. They're Not Just Small"!Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffin
http://i.imgur.com/EFILchF.jpg vs http://i.imgur.com/oPPDt2m.jpg
Image sources (reuploaded, not hotlinked): TF pic, Mirco Machine pic
I used to have heaps of Star Wars and Star Trek Micro Machines as a kid.... no idea where they are though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxius._