MP-21R Red Bumblebee

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Originally Posted by UltraMarginal

I can see other potential repaint colours looking very nice as well. Certain countries around the world that recieved G1 bee in these different colours will probably be pretty excited about this and other potential variations. It's a pretty smart move on Takara's part I think.

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You Sir, have just opened a can of worms :p:D

The Masterpiece Bumblebee figure is an ingenious and incredibly fun piece of design and engineering, wholly worth reissuing as many times as the steel molds will allow. :cool:

This red punch-buggy doesn't do much for me personally, so I'll be passing over him; whilst he does have historical G1 ties in both toy & cartoon forms, I'd be much more inclined to buy a repaint in "The People's Car" Black, a Bugbite (White with Purple Highlights) as well as a Wasp (2-tone Green with Purple Optics)! ;):D

There's nothing "lazy" here at all, apart from comments resultant from a lack of education on the subject. :cool:
(I look forward to the inevitable Ultra Magnus and Star Saber repaints as I'm curious as hell to see what they'd end up being; Powered Convoy? count me in, even more so if it's released under Dialcone: Reboot! :D)

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Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky

You Sir, have just opened a can of worms :p:D

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It wasn't me, it was hasbro and Takara in '84 and '85 etc.
Once you pop you can't stop:D

I actually have a red Bbee so tempted to get this to compliment it, but like most recolours into alt-versions of the same character my budget will not allow it

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Originally Posted by Magnus

Since VW have given permission to release Bumblebee as a licensed Beetle, I'm wondering if VW may have since changed their 'war toys' position, at least with regard to Transformers, since they would have seen that the association with the Transformers brand was positive for GM.

In the case of Need For Speed, it depends on the game. Some games have Volkswagens, some don't. Volkswagens appeared in Need For Speed: The Run, from 2011, but not in Most Wanted or Rivals.

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I had a pretty awesome Golf GTi in Most Wanted.

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Originally Posted by CoRDS

ergh sigh.. pretty lame takara. pretty lame

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Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat

Yeah sorry, but no interest whatsoever. It's so demoralising when they announce another filler item instead of something new!

Assuming Ironhide comes out Dec/Jan as well, that'll make 3 red cars in the space of 3-4 months too. I know they're different cars, but don't they try and avoid stuff like that?

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Originally Posted by Smint

It's really really lame. I doubt we'll ever get a cliff jumper because Isn't this the same scenario as sunstreaker and tiger track?

Why would they release a red bumblebee repaint and then release a red bumblebee repaint with a new head.

I hope this fails to sell well.

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Keep in mind we've gone from getting one new release (including repaints) every 1-2 years to one release a month. Looking back over the last 2-3 years, Takara have milked every mound for repaints. It should be no surprise it is still happening. It will happen with the next mould. And the next. And the next. Prepare yourself now to avoid disappointment.

I will be getting the red MP BB... But that's cause I am a MP whore :p

I am starting to build up a nice little Diaclone MP collections and the Red BB fits in very well.

I am happy for Takara to keep pumping out repaints/retool of all moulds so that it will pay for new ones. :p

I dunno, it just seems like a quick stop gap release, since they didn't show this off at all at the recent toy shows.

I read on TFW someone heard Ironhide might be getting some aspects redesigned (and thus probably delayed), so perhaps they're throwing this out as a bone. I'm also not surprised, just... not interested!

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Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky

I love how some of us are getting cranky over Tak/Toms regular recolouring/tooling of moulds, this method of toy selling has been happening since G1 Transformers were first unleashed on our innocent eyes in 1984, so why should we be surprised when they do it in the not so innocent 2010's :p

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Indeed. I personally grew up seeing more red Bumblebees (and yellow Cliffjumpers) in the 80s than yellow ones (and likewise red Cliffies were rare where I grew up). :o

Also, when TakaraTOMY announces a blue Bluestreak, people get excited. But announce a red Bumblebee and people lose their minds. :p

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Indeed. I personally grew up seeing more red Bumblebees (and yellow Cliffjumpers) in the 80s than yellow ones (and likewise red Cliffies were rare where I grew up). :o

Also, when TakaraTOMY announces a blue Bluestreak, people get excited. But announce a red Bumblebee and people lose their minds. :p

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If they deliberately threw in this into NORMAL prod line is different.

I will be grabbing this one, even if they don't release a CJ. Maybe the 3P's will do a release Of a CJ head for it???

Also keep in mind that redecos and minor remoulds are a necessary evil if you don't want to be paying significantly more for your Transformers toys.
"Milking" is really only applicable if there have been several uses of a mould and a new redeco is hard to explain or has little or no history as a toy character (like black redecos, themed redecos, or more specifically, Acid Storm/Sunstorm versions of any Seeker mould once they've done the basic three).

The first two or three uses of a mould is what keeps it below a certain price-point... and if they are different established characters, it's not as bad as a fourth or fifth redeco that has a weird colour-scheme to it.

31 uses to a mould... now THAT is milking.

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Originally Posted by MayzaPrime

I will be getting the red MP BB... But that's cause I am a MP whore :p

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:D:D:D
It's a nice club to be in :p

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Originally Posted by crankcase76

I will be grabbing this one, even if they don't release a CJ. Maybe the 3P's will do a release Of a CJ head for it???

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3p has been upfront on what the customer wants.
TT is taking a bit slow IMO in terms of repainted.
Like said get it done altogether. Make it exclusive.
Just don't take 3 years to do repaints.

While this is a no surprise, I prefer the gold one in this case.

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Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky

:D:D:D
It's a nice club to be in :p

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Hoho, oh crap i need it as well, no way of skipping any MP release now :D

It's looking a lot better than I thought red would look on this mould. Still a pass.

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Originally Posted by crankcase76

I will be grabbing this one, even if they don't release a CJ. Maybe the 3P's will do a release Of a CJ head for it???

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Even with a different head, Bumblebee's body/alt mode is still substantially different from Cliffjumper. It'd just be a red Bumblebee with Cliffjumper's head. :o I can accept this for non G1 Cliffjumpers (e.g. Animated, Alternity etc.), but when it comes to the exacting standards of Masterpiece, I would only accept an MP Cliffjumper if he were done properly; i.e. retooled to give him the Porsche 924 body. And I wouldn't blame TakTOM if they re-released MP Cliffjumper in yellow, since it's been around since 1984.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...psvwxgz8ts.jpg

It probably wouldn't be viable for TakaraTOMY to retool the mould again with the Mazda 323 body for an MP Bumblejumper. Maybe that's where the third party makers might focus their efforts on. ;)

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Even with a different head, Bumblebee's body/alt mode is still substantially different from Cliffjumper. It'd just be a red Bumblebee with Cliffjumper's head. :o I can accept this for non G1 Cliffjumpers (e.g. Animated, Alternity etc.), but when it comes to the exacting standards of Masterpiece, I would only accept an MP Cliffjumper if he were done properly; i.e. retooled to give him the Porsche 924 body. And I wouldn't blame TakTOM if they re-released MP Cliffjumper in yellow, since it's been around since 1984.

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And I hope that they do release a yellow Cliffjumper, as well as a Hupcap & Bumper/Bumblejumper. As I said earlier, I am happy to keep buying repaints/retools if Takara keep pumping out new 84 characters.

avail now at premium collect for 55 bucks! Couldn't find evidence of them doing an announcement for it beforehand.

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Originally Posted by yoshi594

avail now at premium collect for 55 bucks! Couldn't find evidence of them doing an announcement for it beforehand.

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Thanks! Purchased for $55 plus $10 shipping. Premium Collectables is my go to shop now. I only collect Hot Toys, MP's, and G1 re-issues, and PC stock them all.

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Originally Posted by Sinnertwin

Better get comfy, it's going to be a while :p

http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/...psoj7td6fm.jpg

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I can imagine that someone somewhere is looking forward to the prospect of having a multicoloured swarm of Masterpiece Bumblebees.

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Originally Posted by Trent

I had a pretty awesome Golf GTi in Most Wanted.

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Oh. I was thinking of Most Wanted 2012, not the original Most Wanted from 2005. I just looked up a car list :p

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Originally Posted by griffin

Also keep in mind that redecos and minor remoulds are a necessary evil if you don't want to be paying significantly more for your Transformers toys.

The first two or three uses of a mould is what keeps it below a certain price-point... and if they are different established characters, it's not as bad as a fourth or fifth redeco that has a weird colour-scheme to it.

31 uses to a mould... now THAT is milking.

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Good point about the use of multiple releases on one mould keeping costs down. Also, I imagine any profits from this thing potentially go towards R&D on new moulds, right?

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Even with a different head, Bumblebee's body/alt mode is still substantially different from Cliffjumper. It'd just be a red Bumblebee with Cliffjumper's head. :o I can accept this for non G1 Cliffjumpers (e.g. Animated, Alternity etc.), but when it comes to the exacting standards of Masterpiece, I would only accept an MP Cliffjumper if he were done properly; i.e. retooled to give him the Porsche 924 body. And I wouldn't blame TakTOM if they re-released MP Cliffjumper in yellow, since it's been around since 1984.

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I don't have an MP Bumblebee, but I would imagine it would have to be a very heavy retool to make an MP Cliffjumper out of it. The side profiles are very different:

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_..._large.jpg?v=1 http://www.historics.co.uk/media/450...tle_1300_3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Magnus

I don't have an MP Bumblebee, but I would imagine it would have to be a very heavy retool to make an MP Cliffjumper out of it. The side profiles are very different:

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Fair point. That might rule out the possibility of being able to retool MP Bumblebee as Cliffjumper at all, which would further justify why TakaraTOMY are trying to milk more from the Bumblebee mould with the G2 and red MPs. Wouldn't surprise me if they did Bug Bite, Glyph and more. Cliffjumper would definitely have to be retooled as Hubcap to help recoup the cost of developing that mould, then probably a G2 MP Hubcap.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Fair point. That might rule out the possibility of being able to retool MP Bumblebee as Cliffjumper at all, which would further justify why TakaraTOMY are trying to milk more from the Bumblebee mould with the G2 and red MPs. Wouldn't surprise me if they did Bug Bite, Glyph and more. Cliffjumper would definitely have to be retooled as Hubcap to help recoup the cost of developing that mould, then probably a G2 MP Hubcap.

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They did do the previously (on the G1 mould) eHobby Tigertrack. They may very well do Bugbite.

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Originally Posted by danny-boy

Thanks! Purchased for $55 plus $10 shipping. Premium Collectables is my go to shop now. I only collect Hot Toys, MP's, and G1 re-issues, and PC stock them all.

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Totally agree :D I now have MP Road Rage and Red BB on pre-order with them, and I think that I will do most of my online shopping with them. :D

$55 is bloody cheap.

is it an asia exclusive or will Anime export an HLJ get him ?

I can understand people not getting excited by this and the urge too save money by forgoing this, but for a minibot variant hunter this is great.

Red Bumblebee , depending on the shades of red it could either represent one of the various red G1 Bumblebees

From lightest too darkest , Mexican -> Argentinian --> U.S
The Microchange (Japan) and Estrela (Brazil) fit somewhere in between the Argentinian and U.S version.

Maybe the lighting conditions are crap but there are visual differences when in hand
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/605/2...e38460dc_b.jpg

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Originally Posted by nsm034

is it an asia exclusive or will Anime export an HLJ get him ?

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It is Cybertron Satellite promotion not sure if Japanese online stores stock this but i only know Robot Kingdom that usually have these promotion items like the Dark Guard Optimus Prime

$55 is a good price i suppose. If they do end up doing all the colours, the novelty of collecting all of them is kind of appealing at that price.

Is HLJ not getting him or have I missed the preorder?

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Originally Posted by DELTAprime

Is HLJ not getting him or have I missed the preorder?

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It's an exclusive for somewhere in Japan, so isn't a regular release MP toy... so isn't likely to show up on HLJ.

It is noted as a "Satellite" exclusive, but like other JP exclusives, it looks to be having a release in Asia as well... so probably best to try a HK source.

Still available for preorder here:

http://www.collectorsdrift.com.au/MP...rder_p_45.html

I bit the bullet and preordered from Robot Kingdom this morning. Wanted to take advantage of this mini rally in the $A. Also prepaid an order from NY since the AUDJPY is also up a little.

Repurposing mine as G1 Stinger, need some Decepticon Stickers

TFW member Type-R has posted pics everyone has been waiting for! Box!!

Looks like someone at Takara has some 1337 digibashing skills. Out with Spike, move Bee a few steps and crunch that RGB palette. Of the 3 BBs this has the least inclusions. Was it much cheaper?

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...lebee-box.html

Finally, some official images.
For all these months, all the online stores and new sites have been using the small scans from a hobby magazine from months ago.

Nice shade of red. Still a super lame release.

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Originally Posted by BruiseLee

TFW member Type-R has posted pics everyone has been waiting for! Box!!

Looks like someone at Takara has some 1337 digibashing skills. Out with Spike, move Bee a few steps and crunch that RGB palette. Of the 3 BBs this has the least inclusions. Was it much cheaper?

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...lebee-box.html

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It is just slightly different angle and pose. Also just noticed now that they put up a chromed bumpers though

Anyone still catching up with this one? PC has reopened preorders

http://www.premiumcollectables.com.a...-red-bumblebee

Thanks for the heads up, but i'll be passing on this one I think. If I was a VW enthusiast I'd be all over it like custard on Christmas pudding.

Awesome, with this I've finally secured the last MP I needed to pre-order.