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If the drill part is a FunPub created part, it won't be used by Hasbro or TakaraTomy... but it might give them an idea for a Nosecone toy from Brawl.
But if that drill part is actually a Has/Tak part, then it means that a Nosecone toy is in the works, and FunPub are allowed to use it (like being allowed to use Onslaught and Brawl moulds).
Given that they have 5 new heads, I'd suggest your second proposition is the most likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
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Originally Posted by fatbot
When I saw the pic I assumed the drill part is from a future Hasbro Nosecone not a FunPub addition.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Afterall Brawl is a CW limb figure with no announced repaint/remold use - and as if any CW toy would only get a single run.
I agree with Fatbot that Groove as Afterburner makes sense (I did the Digibash - it works) but not convinced Hasbro will do the same. Hasbro Afterburner might be Groove (doubtful as he'd look too much like Wreck-Gar) or a random poor choice or replaced in the team altogether (like Wildrider, Slingshot, Groove (as a limb) ).
Weird though that FubPub could reveal it ahead of a Hasbro Computron limb reveal.
Someone out there on the interwebs was theorycrafting that maybe there might be a LioKaiser somewhere in the works
:droolsQuote:
Originally Posted by Keidatron
erm that someone is ME hahahaha. Ive posted it as my reply on a facebook post. unless there's somewhere you read it otherwise then it it's not just me thinking it (of course other's will heheheh)Quote:
Originally Posted by Keidatron
After all if you think about it...
TakaraTomy can likely issue out a combiner that is known to their local market - Liokaiser - from Victory.
For mainbody
They can use (again) the Cyclonus mold with some retool - Leozack
The third figure from the Predacus group is a drill tank - easy recolour to Drillhorn
and with a slight retool of the brwan tank mould again - Killbison
They can retool one of the cars to be Jaruga, just use the MIssle type handplate to simulate the rocket launcher on his buggyback...
As for the remaining members Guyhawk and Hellbat - of course staright up repaint and new head from Skydive mould
and as bonus seventh member - We have the helicopter - Deathcobra (it's aliiiiive!!!)
SO, there you go, a straight up Liokaizer
I thought that TFCC might have done it for there subscription service next year... it would be cool if Hasbro do it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by liegeprime
If only they did, that, would , be , AWESOME!!:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by MayzaPrime
Completely underwhelmed.. bummed out.. but expected I guess.
Cicada torn artwork has revealed he will be a brown Air Raid with no head remold.
I was hoping for Cicada torn to use the Cyclonus mild and have toy colouring.
Because..
- I believe the 3 were just saturated by red light in the show.
- Now we'll have 3 rusty brown combiner parts when we could have got a more vibrant deco.
- Sea lamp will most likely be the Hotspot mold.. again.
- Cicada torn was the original torso.
- No new head like Ram horn has me wondering why they bothered with his and we'll see in the end if it was a waste.
Now I am off to destroy autocorrect on the damn tablet.
Totally agree... What a letdown...
The artwork is here on Facebook, while the toy will be revealed tomorrow.
Pics are up, but can't get to post on work comp to share....
Anyway, Red and silver Skydive mould....
I'm disappointed.... Cicadacon was head and chest.... wanted it to be the torso...
Money on Hotspot mould for the final
Cicadacon on BotCon website.
so they made a comment in the last month or so about having 5 new heads, I guess that means the combiner head is also new. given this reveal.
I think we can expect this to be another set that doesn't get sold out.
I commend them on the theme idea but they should have backed away from it when the avaliable molds did not fit the characters at all. A new 'G2' theme would have been better or even Euro G1. At the very least, they could have continued the 'Dawn of Future's Past' 2006 theme and given us Terrorsaur and other more suitable BW characters that never made it to the show in 'Cybertronian' modes.
Why am I not surprised this set is turning out to be a letdown? :rolleyes:
A continuation of the 2006 theme would have been a lot better, with Cybertronian modes, but the problem with FunPub is that they have to produce about 15 toys for each convention, which means whole new themes because that's way too many to "finish off" a previous theme like the 2006 DOFP set.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
It was a problem that 3H never had, which gave us 2-4 year arcs of stories and characters, making it more enticing to keep coming back or following the events, just to finish the story or collect the set of related characters (like the BW toys from 97-00 and the Wreckers toys for 01-02).
A set of Predators Vs Turbomasters, as combiners would have been doable (and awesome)... with the Optimus toy as Thunderclash and the Silverbolt/Cyclonus toy as Skyquake, and the eight limbs as each of the smaller Euro toys.
It almost seems obvious, but maybe FunPub decided against it after the poor showing of 2013 Machine Wars and the 2010 Euro/G2 sets... which were both fringe, semi-obscure elements of the fandom.
Given the right marketing, it could have worked as a BotCon set.
I was hoping this was going to be the case when we got Tarantulas... I would have loved a Scorponok & TerrorsaurQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
I'm torn.
If FunPub hadn't done some kind of 'Beast Wars' inspired theme for BotCon next year, I'd have been supremely disappointed. However, given the toys that were available for FunPub to use as convention exclusives, perhaps a more G1-centric theme would have better suited the exclusives.
Ultimately, I've never felt any urge to get BotCon exclusives in the past, and this set won't change that.
Annnd Sea Clamp is from Silverbolt! I officially do not understand a single choice the TFCC club makes.
Reveal image: https://mobile.twitter.com/BotCon/st...65314610790401
Holy flying crustaceans, Batman!
And I thought the Hasbro CW Autobot car repaints were forced, they don't look so bad now. :eek:
Yeah, the molds couldn't be further from the characters. At least in 2006 they decided to be clever about it and it worked. This time, they seem to be expecting us to just accept a Jet that then becomes a lobster.
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/...ssaultTeam.jpg
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/...enturitron.jpg
A far more fitting set (with a little bit of tweaking) for a Tripredacus toy.
Well the Predacons are smaller than the normal Transformer :p
Seaclamp's been revealed"
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2016/ima...lampREVEAL.jpg
At least with the Autobots there was some precedence - Classics Mirage being repainted as Dragstrip, Sun/Swipe mould as Club Breakdown (twice) and even Prime Wheeljack as Wildrider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zed
These guys... Not so sure.
There must have been a sale on red paint.
Saving up the red because in RID they used all the blue on Blizzzard rdecoesQuote:
Originally Posted by Verno
That looks aweful. The whole set looks aweful. I don't envision the combined form to be decent to look at.
I don't mind Computron.
This would have been a much better approach for a "red light district" Tripredacus toy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verno
Red light district? I don't understand the reference :(Quote:
Originally Posted by llamatron
Doing them up in red and black/grey to emulate their show appearance - which was due to lighting (dark room, only red lights), not necessarily their actual colors. I would assume their "real" colours are their toy colours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verno
As the minicon team would be a single mold (probably), they would have to be done in a unified colour scheme.
I think it would have been cooler to do the these boxset ones in the toy colours.
Ah, yes. Sadly this light problem is here to stay as FunPub have come down on the wrong side of the argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by llamatron
Surprise surprise, red lights turn things red:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/50uMV_6Fg_I/hqdefault.jpg
I too think they should have used the original toy colours instead of all red. Use a purple colour to link them all together (including Ravage and Tarantulas), just like the original Tripredacus toys, and it would have looked quite good. Alas.
What red light?
Has anyone actually watched the cartoon? The only illuminating light is bright white.
The table has red buttons that glow red, but they are only strong enough to project a small patch of red on the lower abdomen of the council members... as can be seen by the close-ups that have most of their white/silver parts with no red on them and the red parts being boldly red instead of some other colour looking red.
Cicadacon - Ramhorn - Seaclamp
The white/silver parts are bright and mostly no red glow on them... and the red is pure red, not from a red light source.
Fans keep crying out for cartoon accurate toys & decos, and here we have FunPub doing that, because we already have a set of toys in toy-colours (the original Tripredacus).
Grrrr... stop making me defend FunPub. :p
Beast Wars: The Agenda (Part 1) - Seeing the light
Let's start at the beginning -- the script.
As luck would have it, a downloadable copy of the original script for Agenda Part 1 exists online. Turning your attention to page 6 of the document (Page 5 of the script) we come to the scene in question. For your reading convenience, the extract:
I took the liberty of emboldening two very important pieces of information. Let those sink in as we move forward to the second part of this analysis -- the show.Quote:
EXT. PREDACON OUTPOST COMMAND STATION -- SPACE
Shaped like a cool predatory space station -- not a sphere. The wavefront PASSES OVER IT, triggering SPARK FLARES and ALARM KLAXONS.
PREDACON COMPUTER VOICE
Warning! Circuits disrupted! All systems offline!
Lights are going out all over the station.
INSIDE PREDACON STATION
Dark inside, with FLASHES of light as sparks FLARE from disrupted equipment. Dark, vaguely-seen ROBOT SHAPES (ref. ep. 34) run in the corridors.
PREDACON COMPUTER VOICE
Predacon Command Outpost One inoperative. Emergency power activated.
Dim red emergency lights FLICKER ON in the floor. PUSH IN on them and:
MATCH CUT TO:
INT. TRIPREDICUS COUNCIL ROOM
START TIGHT on an emergency light in the tabletop as it FLICKERS ON. PULL BACK as we SEE that its dim redness vaguely illuminates the robot face of GENERAL RAMHORN. The two other members of the Tripredacus Council, GENERAL SEACLAMP and GENERAL CICADACON, are also dimly visible around the table.
GENERAL RAMHORN
Tripredacus Council now in session. General Cicadacon, report.
Again, we are in luck, as the scene in question is available to view online. For those without the time to watch it, I'll do the hard work for you.
As the Council enter the scene, the room is illuminated by a single, white light source:
http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5e3b2e95.png
As you can see, they are grey. Only after they activate the red lights on the table...
http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/...usCouncil1.jpg
... do they appear red. Red light, unsurprisingly, makes things looks red. Take this scene from Ghostbusters 2 for example:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/50uMV_6Fg_I/hqdefault.jpg
Allow all of that to sink in as we move on to the third part -- the creative process.
From the TF-Wiki:
Before I go on, I will preface by saying that everything I've said up to this point is factual. Only now will I begin to speculate, but given the acknowledgement of time constraints on the production, I don't think I'll be stepping too far from the bounds of reality.Quote:
The Tripredacus Council shown at the beginning of the episode were meant to be the Tripredacus gestalt toy, and were even referred to by their individual names in the original script. However, time constraints prevented the renders for the figures from exactly matching the toys they were based on, so Hasbro asked that their individual names not be referred to, though the gestalt name was still used for the group.
The intention of the scene is clear -- to show mysterious figures in a shadowy command room. The use of red lights is outlined in the script, but given the limitations of time (and potentially the programs used to animate the show itself), shortcuts may have been used. The shortcut in this instance would be to render the three Tripredacus figures red after the lights have been turned on so as to help create the mood.
The white light on them at the beginning of the scene clearly shows them to be grey. The red lights on the table are there to act like a torch under the chin of someone telling a ghost story. It's supposed to look eerie. But perhaps the lights alone weren't achieving this, so they rendered the characters red to aid in this -- but I maintain this was never the intended colour scheme of the characters themselves. If it were, they would have appeared red when they entered the scene and were illuminated only by a single white light source.
I would never make you do that mate. In reality, FunPub had the chance to take these three characters and really make them their own, but have failed at the first step.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
I feel for you Verno. This is the "tribute" Beast Wars gets :(
The original set is one of my favorite combiners and Beast Wars toys........this can't be real. April fool's?
Can't justify this set in my head. Maybe down the track cheap, but not now. I'll stick with TFSS 4.0, this combiner set is better.
At this point, a lot of things could have been a better approach. They really scraped the bottom of the barrel here.Quote:
Originally Posted by llamatron
It's like if I am allowed a whole bunch of Beast Machines molds and say they are the new Robots in Disguise tribute just because the anniversary happens to be that same year.