Stompy I totally agree with your summation regarding Galvatron. This is a toy that I love aswell despite it's short comings and I hadn't thought of the possiblity of it being voyager size but I love it, how cool would that be!
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Stompy I totally agree with your summation regarding Galvatron. This is a toy that I love aswell despite it's short comings and I hadn't thought of the possiblity of it being voyager size but I love it, how cool would that be!
I never said it wasn't. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Unfortunately, context doesn't always matter. It's important at times but others it can be utterly irrelevant. To a small segment of collectors, having G1 vintage toys is a very cool thing but as I've aluded to, the vintage collector is a dying breed. I think that everything realises that it will not be judged in context but by how people respond to it and that in all of its complexities is only fair. People do not sit down 20 years on and try to appreciate the context in which a said movie was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
They watch it and either enjoy it or not. And I think the same applies to toys. And often there are a number of reasons as why a person likes a toy. I felt in composing my list that G1 reissues could not make the cut b/c while they fulfilled in 2008 a necessary and desirable niche, it didn't have the balance of nostalgia, engineering and fan/fiction appeal that other toys did. So yes, it fulfilled a criteria but it didn't satisfy others in my assessment where I tried to be as unbiased as possible b/c as you can see there are plenty of toys on my personal list that did a lot for me but just couldn't make the cut when I looked at it from a range of other factors..
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Originally Posted by Stompy
Great write up too, Stompy. While I'm very very surprised to see you pick Lockdown you've definitely helped me to appreciate the toy more b/c my original position was exactly the same as Gok's. I have too many QC issues with it to care. My legs always pop off no matter what I try and it has a tendency to flop down. But you've made some great points there about its uniqueness. A pleasure to read.
Which is why G1 reissues are made in limited production runs - far smaller than regular line Transformers. They're also marketed directly to older collectors (or what Takara refers to as "high end"* collectors) - hence why they're all "For Ages 15 and Up" and they can ignore child-safety laws, which is why they have small missiles with super-strong launchers that can break the sound barrier.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
Hasbro tries to market their toys at children as well as adults, and history has shown that Hasbro reissues flop -- remember how much TRU were slashing the prices of G1 reissues because they just shelf-warmed for so bloody long? They were just desperate to get rid of all that dead stock! Remember seeing G1 reissue Autobot cars reduced from $75 to $25?
And what makes you think that the G1 collector market is shrinking? If anything I'd say it's growing - the fact that we now have a live-action Transformers movie based on G1 (with a sequel on the way) is proof of that. When Beast Machines was out a Transfan in Canberra once told me that they should make a live-action Transformer movie. I laughed in his face and told him that it was downright impossible as we G1 fans are far too small and insignificant a niche market. I still cannot believe that we have a live-action movie and that Transformers has become "retro-cool" so that people walking around wearing TF clothes or with TF logos on their cars are not even necessarily Transfans! We have clearly become a much larger market and one to be reckoned with. The fact that the Classics/Henkei/Universe line is primarily based on G1/G2 tributes is also testament to the current influence of G1 fans. Look at all the G1 homages we had in the Armada trilogy. There was nothing like that in Beast Wars, Beast Machines or Car Robot (RiD).
Look at how our own community has grown. I attended a Transfan meet in Melbourne in 2001. There were three Transfans who attended that meet who were Melbournians - the rest of us were from Sydney, Adelaide and Tokyo. Now you guys have just multiplied phenomenally and having meets on a regular basis with turn out numbers that rival Sydney meets! This was unthinkable 8 years ago!
2001 Melbourne Meet
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...s/melbmeet.jpg
Sure, G1 fans are still a minority, but we are a growing and undeniably influential minority now.
Do you think that most people would watch "Seven Samurai" or "To Kill A Mockingbird" and criticise it for having appallingly bad sound and picture quality by current film standards?Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
The original Star Wars trilogy's (1977-1983) effects are not as good as the prequel trilogy (1999-2005), yet most Star Wars fans I've met consider the original trilogy to be better than the prequel trilogy - despite the fact that you can see the strings attached to the starfighters. :) I have the original trilogy DVD box set where they released 2 versions of each movie - unmastered (where you can even see the strings attached to the models) and digitally remastered (where they've used CGI to correct and remake a lot of effects shots). The fact that they've given collectors the option to watch the movies unmastered means that a lot of fans would like to watch the movies without corrections - but it doesn't mean that they would pan out things like the orange vaseline line underneath Luke's landspeeder... they're appreciating that these special effects were groundbreakingly awesome by 1970s/80s standards.
+ Nostalgia appeal = absolutely there (you can't beat a G1 mould for nostalgia)Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
+ Engineering appeal = again, it's there so long as you take it in context. It's like appreciating the architectural engineering of say and ancient temple, castle, cathedral, palace etc. - in the context of its time these are impressive constructions.
+ Fan/fiction appeal = G1 absolutely has appeal to fans, especially if you're looking at the hardcore fandom. I'd say the majority of fans would cite G1 as their favourite TF canon. We'll have a better idea of this after we see the results of Paulbot's OzFormers TF awards. I'll be surprised if something else got voted as the most popular over G1.
+ Niche market = yes, G1 is aimed at a niche market. That doesn't mean it's bad. Transformers Animated is aimed at a niche market too - kids. Sure, it's a much bigger niche than G1, but it's there.
Fair enough, but for me I found Encore Sky Lynx to be my most satisfying acquisition for 2008. I assess it under different criteria from say Animated and Universe/Henkei - because I think it's unreasonable to assess them all under the same criteria.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
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*Takara(TOMY)'s high-end TF lines include:
+ Reissues
+ Binaltech & Binaltech Asterisk
+ KISS Players
+ Masterpiece
+ Music Label
...all these lines are specifically labelled as 対象年齢15才以上 ("For Ages 15 and Up") and are not intended for children, and in the case of KISS Players, contains fictional content not suitable for children.
You've missed my point here. I'm talking about the vintage collector disappearing. I think its a shrinking part of the fanbase for the truly faithful and hardcore. I have a number of reasons for this but that's an issue I have lined up for the Soapbox at some point. As you've said, G1, the cartoo specifically, is the primary access for TFs and while I think that's strong, the vintage collector won't have the same strength.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Would u believe I'm actually seeking an extra (3rd) Sky Lynx so he can be my Classics version? Lame but I do like the mold a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
And a fourth for repainting as Fire Guts Sky Lynx? C'mon someone has to do it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by STL
You do the supplyin', I do the painting. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
I suppose it's inevitable that hardcore G1 collectors would shrink since G1 ended in 1993... it's only a matter of time before those of us who grew up with G1 end up completing our G1 collections.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
Been putting this off way too long....
Animated Voyager Bulkhead
My first Animated figure, this guy has the most elegant transformation, utilizing two excellent auto-morphs, two great gimmicks in robot mode and just adorable in every mode. This guy is just pure love. Not for those who fixate on scale or try to only buy one of a character. This guy is one of my favorite toys ever!
Animated Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime
An incredibly modern young rethinking of the old stawart, Optimus Prime. Another cute Animated alt mode, whose transformation delivers a bot already three quarters of the way through plunging his axe into whatever awaits him. Unlike all of of the Animated Primes, this one suffers no identity crisis and boldly sheds the face shield completely. Extremely well articulated with great weapon stowability.
Animated Activator Bumbelebee
The Deluxe disappointed with a big head and poor colors. This little guy didn't fail in either area and ushered in a new class of Transformer, that being the [mostly] brilliantly engineered Activators. Yes, he's got jazz hands, but he can articulate them.
Animated Sentinel Prime
Great vibrant colors, a fantastically detailed, accurate head, a unique transformation and an absolutely adorable "Fisher Price" [looking] alt-mode. This guy rocks!
Henkei Sunstreaker
The Henkei version's better colors, paint-matching and use of chrome makes this fan favorite one of this fan's favorites.
Universe Sideswipe
Hasbro's best Universe effort rides right up there with his Henkei brother with great colors and the included nicely painted air intake.
Animated Ultra Magnus
Paulbot has described the marriage of hard lines and Animated styling perfectly. All three Animated Leaders were standouts, but this guy is the grand poobah.
Universe Springer
A new mold for me for a old, favorite character & toy. Great modes with arguably some of the best use of gimmicks on a TF.
Animated Blitzwing
The last of the original three triple changers reimagined and the first of those in the approriate Voyager Class, Blitzwing has shown to be a very divisive figure. Plane mode is bulky and gap-ridden, but with a fantastic tank mode, unique and fun transformation, a hidden Wall-E mode, and three faces, he's top 10 worthy to me.
Animated Lugnut
Another Animated winner with a fun transformation, good automorphs and great colors.
That one is better since technically it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Phoenix
1. Encore Omega Supreme
2. TF Movie Fracture
3. Animated Prowl
4. Animated Activator Bumblebee
5. Animated Leader Ultra Magnus
6. TFU 2.0 Sunstreaker/ Sideswipe
7. Henkei Astrotrain
8. TFU Nemesis Prime
9. TFU 2.0 Ironhide
10. Animated Lockdown