Don't you own a Bruticus complete? Also they may possible make encore King Poseidon, which would be pretty sweat!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
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Don't you own a Bruticus complete? Also they may possible make encore King Poseidon, which would be pretty sweat!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Nice selfish contridiction you have going on there. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Fungal Infection
Anyway, mine is on the way because I don't have a g1 bruticus, nor do I have any of the other combiners aside from menasor, (which I would get again if it was encored), so yes, I want a devastator reissue more than anyone else here.
Bruticus is not one of my favorite combiners. All the others appeal to me, so if others are released in the future I'll definitely consider them. I have several combiners already but I would consider getting encore releases for the following reasons...
1. complete with all parts
2. minty fresh
3. nice packaging included
4. probably cheaper and more reliable than chasing on ebay
Who's asking? There's a fine difference between saying, "I'm getting this set because..." vs "We should all get this set because..." - my statement was the former, which is nothing more than stating my own personal reasons and not necessarily prescribing others to do likewise. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fungal Infection
In all honesty supporting TakaraTOMY to reissue more gestalts is my tertiary reason for wanting this reissue. My primary reason is for the Bruticus gestalt parts and my secondary reason is for the Combaticons' individual weapons - all of which would easily cost me much more to purchase if I hunted them down otherwise. As I said before, collecting the gestalt parts for Computron (with NO individual accessories for the Technobots) alone cost me about $100 - so for around the same price I might as well just buy a reissue of the entire gift set! (^_^)
Not really. I have all the G1 Combaticons, but I don't have their gestalt parts nor all their accessories. I've formed Bruticus using gestalt parts from my RiD Ruination.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackoptimus
Sounds salty. I'd love to see a King Poseidon reissue as I have all the Seacons, but again, don't have all the gestalt parts (nor accessories).Quote:
Originally Posted by blackoptimus
I think one reason why Bruticus is so popular is because among the 1986 Scramble gestalts, both he and Defensor were seen as cool because their limb-formers were all distinctly different and unique looking. The problem with the Stunticons and especially the Aerialbots is that the limb robots kinda look the same. Breakdown and Dead End have the same transformation scheme, as do Slingshot, Air Raid, Fireflight and Skydive. In fact, the Aerialbots look so damn alike that when combined as Superion, G1 artists and animators often just drew and coloured all the limbs uniformly! When you see pics of Superion in the G1 comics and cartoon can you tell which arm or leg is which Aerialbot? Defensor and Bruticus were better because you could tell straight away which limb was say Vortex or Brawl, or Streetwise or Groove etc. There was clearly more effort put into the design and engineering of the Combaticons and Protectobots as opposed to the Aerialbots and some of the Stunticons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon
Because there had to be, perhaps. It's hard to engineer a tank that transforms in the same way as a space shuttle.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
This reissue seems to be low effort, since we know the mould exists - at least in its all-plastic form. It's the lowest risk combiner to test the market with, since the lower R&D cost keeps production costs to a minimum means TT and the stores are less likely to make a loss from this reissue.
As much as the metal versions may be appreciated by some fans, I guess TT wanted to keep the R&D costs of retooling the dies out of this at this stage.
I wonder how well this has sold so far. Does anyone know?
It's quite nice looking even in box. I wouldn't mind the seacons being next, as long as devastator comes eventually after. :)
Im just happy they still kept the line going ( Encore) as it really does help those of us who hasn't chanced upon cheaper parts for our originals, or are wanting more minty fresh looking figures.
As many here know, parts often cost more than the whole TF figure itself where G1 is concerned. So far though there's only been 3 encores Ive bought which are doubles of what I have mainly because, I just wanted a more minty fresh looking figure.:)
Im hoping they reissue Raiden and Liokaiser though as I dont have them yet heheh all other combiners Ive finally completed , even that ever so expensive little Sh*# Monstructor:mad:. But, if they ever do reissue Monstructor Id buy a set! So i can play with it, the original one is just too fragile (GPS) to be manhandled, sigh.....:(.
I think Dirge has hit the nail on the head here. The toolings for the metal versions would have been different to the toolings for the plastic versions. It's very probable that, after all this time, the moulds for the metal parts are lost, destroyed, damaged or otherwise inaccessible.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirge
We know the Bruticus mould has been kept track of... it's not really the same thing as Predaking or other plastic-to-metal transition toys since this mould/tooling has been in use nearly constantly since it was made.
--Boltax
(I think it's interesting that it's kept the super weapons from the RiD version of the mould -- too bad they didn't include the G2 launcher too.)
Online it seems to be selling fairly well, its sold out on pre-orders alone in a few places such as HLJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by MV75
Retail however could be a different story. Many encores that have sold reasonably well online seem to be a bit of shelf warmers in Japan.
Wait till im in Japan in november and ill nab them all for peanuts :DQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
I was in Akihabara last week, and only saw 1 Encore Bruticus - in a specialty store next to an original japanese Bruticus! I also never saw Cassettes Vol2. Places that had Transformers in the first place, only seemed to have Hoist & Trailbreaker, Cassettes Vol1, with an odd Ratchet or Jazz here and there.
Sacriledge! Could always tell in the Marvel UK ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
My encore bruticus arrived today. what a fn let down.
For those that have not already bought this encore bruticus set, i recommend you save your money and buy an original or buy something else.
Even though it is brand new, the plastic feels really cheap and light....
The edges and details are all worn and not prominant compared to the original.
Onslaught's arms and legs dont line up or click together properly....
the wheels are loose and rattly...
and I also cant believe that they skimped out on a single sheet of plastic that would have protected the holes in the gift box and now its susceptible to snagging and tearing on something. so much for buying cos the giftbox is nice....
Sure, onslaught's launcher gimmick is awesome and its the first time i have seen it in real life, but that alone can not save this set.
Its very inferior compared to the metal and non metal chested G1 combaticons..
Aw these are the things I didn't want to hear. :( Sounds like TT are falling back into old habits.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruticus
Probably more to do with the mold being used to death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adzma
In all honesty I don't think it is that bad, there is little difference between swindle and my classic (gold card) no difference in quality compaired to other encores I can see.
The mold is tired but still think it is NOT in any way as bad as people say, I can understand that it not having really crisp detail can be anoying but it's expected. (at least to me)
I just don't see how the quality is cheap, the price is GOOD (for what you get) the packaging is awsome, tray, cards stickers are good (better quality to the classic). I really don't see anyway a better bruticus could be released now or anytime soon.
Really sick of hearing so much complaining about what I think is no secret, encore reissues probably aren't going to be as good as originals.
There is just something really cool about getting a new 'old' toy. Toys should be fun not heart breaking.
Well lets hope the release depresses the price of older metal versions for those of us looking for them
errr, you must have got a half decent batch... the circular tabs on my encore onslaught's legs couldn't even click in properly and when i applied force, it caused the the two plastic halves to bulge...solution widen the hole (but why should i have to modify a legit transfer that i paid hard earned money for??)Quote:
Originally Posted by TF76
my vortex rear wheel was not even centred at the pin so if you try to roll him it doesnt turn properly.
all in all, i was left with a very cheap impression. similar to owning a KO. I have 5 regular size bruticus btw. 1 metal chest G1, 1 plastic chest G1, 1 armada camouflage ruination, 1 regular KO and now this 1 encore makes 5. If it wasnt for the launching mechanism i would rate the encore set as a whole well below the armada ruination and slightly higher than the KO (mostly because i have to modify the toys to make it do what its suppose to do).....but since it has the launching mechanism i would rate it on par with armada ruination which is still well below metal chest bruticus.
Do you even own a legit G1 brutiucs? the plastic feels completely different. rough and light weight. sounds more hollow too...Quote:
Originally Posted by TF76
But i guess you are right in that aspect... if you pay less, i should expect less right? well for 110AUD i didnt expect near KO quality.
Outside packaging is sh*t IMO... and trust me, without some form of plastic sheet, if you are not careful, you are quite likely to rip the cardboard display holes. Cardboard tray was falling apart and needs new sticky tape. Plastic packaging inside was alright.
Dude, my encore metroplex with rubber tyres and chrome is way better than my original G1 Metroplex with platic tyres. The QC at TakTom is just so damn inconsistent!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TF76
yes, i totally agree with you mate.....but just go tell Taktom that!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TF76
Anyways, you can take my rantings however you like. I just felt an obligation to warn collectors what to expect. I have never felt the urge to sell a transformer as much i do with this...
Adzma, I agree with Gutsman Heavy. The fact is that the G1 Bruticus mould has been used over and over again to the point that significant mould degradation should come as no surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutsman Heavy
Let's look at how often the G1 Bruticus mould has been used since the original 1986 release:
+ 1991: Classic reissue
+ 1992: Battle Gaea
+ 1994: G2 Bruticus
+ 2000: Vuldigus
+ 2001: Ruination
+ 2003: Ruination (Wal*Mart)
+ 2004: Ruination (Universe)
This makes Encore Bruticus the ninth use of this mould.
I find the general concept of mold degradation annoying and somewhat unacceptable. Has anyone ever experienced the result of a degraded Lego mold? I haven't. They ditch the molds like clockwork after x presses and make new ones. I wish HasTak had the same discipline.
Yes, but this is where Lego are awesome, they replaced the parts only at my word, no fuss and very quickly. Total pros.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaydisc
Sorry no quotes It was a bit hard to do on my phone.
Molds should be replaced especally current ones like the movie line but a generic Lego block is a bit different to a unique toy mold. With the older stuff I just see it as an oportunity to still get a new 'old' toy.
I agree the bruticus mold has seen better days (I also think the encore line in general is assembled/manufactured at a lower standard to some lines in the past) but to me it was a last (hopefully) opotunity to get the set original(ish) colors and worth doing beyond the mold I still don't see how the toy or box lack quality.
I think I did get a pretty good set, A few issues but not enough to ruin the toy. Onslaughts legs are a bit soft in detail but generally it is pretty good.
I have owned most of bruticus on and off since I was a kid but can't remeber having a whole set. Currently I still have a classic reissue brawl and a metal and plactic onslaught.
I understand both TF76 and Bruticus's positions. And I think it might come down to whether or not the acquirer has any other Bruticuses.
I do not. As a result, I'm quite smitten with this toy, because regardless of its problems, it's still a G1 Bruticus, which i generally consider to be an awesome toy.
Now, if I already had a G1 Bruticus, or an excellent/mint condition one at that, I would find this toy very disappointing.
But the fact remains, that for someone who doesn't have G1, to acquire a G1 for A$110 or under is wrought with difficulties, e.g. avoiding KOs, different opinions of quality, dealing with untrusted sellers, etc.
So, my opinion is that if you don't have a Bruticus, this is a great option. If you do have one already, and don't need spare parts, packaging or tech spec cards, I'd recommend seeing one in person before buying one.
Further comment and discussion here.
well i dont like G1 in general and im use to all the articulations.
i dont get the brawl launch ramp thing
havnt combined him yet. why arnt there any female combiners?
Discharge is female. unfortunate that Sixturbo's female component is a red Discharge d: