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Rofl that sums it up too well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zed
Certainly not. They look so similar now I wonder what the point is sometimes. Old Johnny Howard was a clever dicky though, depsite the Liberals not being in power, Labor has had to follow their trends in many repects.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
You are definately not alone on this. Me and most people I know vote from the ground up, with the one we least want in power and voting upwards. By the time I get to the last 2, it's so hard to decide which of those 2 are worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
The more I read on this on the web, the more my blood boils. I really don't like where the government is heading with this.
This country is supposed to be all about freedom, but with this being introduced, we lack alot of freedom to view what we choose on the internet.
The political mentality seems to be that the trick to a successful modern democracy is to keep the population ignorant. That way you can manipulate public opinion to whatever you want with just 'Jeebus supports me!' or 'Will someone think of the children! (because we don't!) policy spins.
SAGE-AU warns ISP filtering tests fail fast Internet
Also, blog post from ALP's Kate Lundy:
My thoughts on the Filter
Lundy has been anti-censorship in the past but has backflipped just to keep her spot in the ALP, making her a hyprocrite.
My god, a politician that is a hypocrite? That is so unheard of :p:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Hypocrites the lot of them I say.
Still funny to watch, in a sad sorta way.
at first i thought the whole filter and black list issue was an idea of the labor far right christians, and the family first party, and other charming politicians who would run this country in the name of Jesus Christ. (for the record, im a christian, but i dont believe any form of religion should be incorporated into general politics) But its clear to me now that this has become the agenda to more than just the far right christian factions. I wonder if theres anything the big ISPs could say or do to the government to basically say "we're not doing it" ugh!
Depsite the law requiring sepearation of religion and the state, the fact that many politicians are religious ( and catholic a lot of the time) makes it hard for them to be un-biased about things. Thats why I object to Tony Abott. he has let his views on abortion and euthanasia go against the wishes of the his electorate as he follows his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
This is also the reason I dislike conscience votes.
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Originally Posted by Dkaris
See this is why religion and politics should not mix.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
Now I am all for people believing in whatever religion they choose, but it pi@@es me right off when they try to force their views onto me. As this filter is doing.
If filtering is mandated, any ISP that refuses to implement filters after the cut off date to get it implemented will be fined $27,500 per day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
Testing of Conroy's internet filter flawed: expert
For those that missed Sky News Business this morning:
Internet filter won't work, say critics
And from this evening's episode of "The 7PM Project":
Colin Jacobs – EFA – Australian Internet Filter – The 7pm Project
Well get used to the saying "better the devil you know", because the lesser evils arn't apparent when they don't campaign with these idiotic things. Just look at CPT Bligh. :p The fantasy (even back then), NBN was probably in your mind when you voted.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
And you guys do realise there is already a filter in place right? There is no such thing as a clean feed.
Can you clarify what you mean by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by MV75
They watch you with tiny camera's in every house and keep records of your internet browsingQuote:
Originally Posted by SofaMan
There is only 1 real government.
the banks control the word!
9/11 was a set up
FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDO-----
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I [GOLDEN PHOENIX] mean there is nothing to worry about. Move along. Nothing to see here
Got any sources for that claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by MV75
Argh labor have been a disastor over these last few years.
no nuclear power
internet filtering
carbon emissions trading
stimulus package
uuuuuuuuuuuuurgh
If the Pirate Party doesn't stand in the next election, do what i intend to do. Vote for the Australian sex party, they're claiming the same ideals as the Pirates, such as free speech + plus a fairer classification system for porn, so it's win - winQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
I'm sure you internet savvy anti-filter guys should be able to figure this one out for yourselves. I mean it's something you're proud to say you are all on top of and in the loop of right? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Anyway, start here:
http://libertus.net/censor/netcensor.html
I still don't know if you're serious about your claim or not. But, there is no filter in place. We do have internet censorship laws in place, but there's no actual technical enforcement of them (no filter will be able to enforce them anyway, the net is too vast and changes too quick for govts to keep up).
Thanks for that link though, however I've been aware of that site for a couple of years. :p
Snap. Even when it is applied, it's seemingly only applied to Australian-hosted sites. The difference is that when applied, it's done at the hosting end, not the viewing end. Which of course just drives the hosts offshore.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Never forget the rubbish foisted on us by religious fruitstorms like Brian Harradine.
Here's something to think about ...
The censorship report says the average overblocking rate was 3.4%, which the government seems happy with. However, there's more than 1 trillion webpages in existence.
That means if a filter is implemented, more than 34 billion pages will be wrongly blocked.
I find it comical that you have chosen to start and engage on a conversation purely on the effects of the internet. Yet none of you have actually looked upon or brought up what krudd is actually doing towards the gaming on that certain games will be banned and also what the plans that they are doing towards WOW itself as well.
If any one remembers a show called "Glasshouse" you would recall they too were banned because the Government in the Howard reign would remember that they banned the show due to the fact that they were pointing out the stupidity of the government. The Government felt that the Australian citizens shouldn't watch anything which would make them feel and think any less of their Government, which was incorrect since the general Australian citizen disliked their pm any way.
All in all this is not the first time the Australian Government has done this to the citizens of Australia. It will not just affect the internet but it will affect the gaming industry, the media industry with what information can be placed on television, radio, advertisements and movies. It will also affect people who use PC's for research who make a living off of it and also affect other jobs like Librarians since information is not available to them. As they say knowledge is power and with these new laws soon to be passed that's saying if they do, the Australian Government does not want the citizens to have power.
But hey it's not surprising that Krudd has gone the way of China. China owns how many ex-Australian business's we have what percentage of immigrants coming from China as well also the political ties between Krudd and China of recent. It seems to me that more then anything that Krudd is trying to accommodate the Chinese immigrants and make them feel more at home. It's not a bad thing but we must remember every one that we are a nation of mass migration which means we have as much political sight as the U.N.. Which this law is walking a very thin line against freedom of information that any one has the right to access any information.
But all in all this also may see a mass shopping frenzy upon the Australian "Black Market" with gamers trying to access any way possible for them to get a hold of games and play games which are seen to be illegal in Australia. This new law would mean as well that sites which are blocked people would pay so that they can have access to them, though why a dentist in QLD was placed on that list confuses the best of us.
This "new law" if it ever does get passed will more then likely be passed around a few times and get amended so that it can be changed to allow certain information and material seen by the citizens of Australia. But look at Krudds law he tried to get passed of green house gases but sadly that failed and now he is trying to get it done again and again. So I don't think we have to fear this law being passed for quite some time.
http://www.thegiftofcensorship.com/
Get crackin'!Quote:
Forget Santa. It’s time to write to Senator Conroy and tell him what you really want for Christmas.
Not only will we deliver all of your messages to Canberra in a big red sack (no promise we’ll use reindeer), we’ll make sure there’s coal in his Christmas stocking as well.
That’s right, for every 1000 letters sent, we’ll also send a Christmas stocking with coal to the naughty Senator.
Don't forget to write to your local MP too.
Was just on news.com.au, http://www.news.com.au/technology/go...-1225828788264
COMPUTER hackers disabled several Australian government websites today in coordinated attacks protesting against a planned internet filter aimed at pornography.
at least someones doing something about this.
Attacking Govt websites is foolish though as it damages anti-filtering/anti-censorship campaigning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
Trying to censor porn is like censoring 95% of the whole internet - They may as well ban it altogether :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
What worries me about this filter is that censoring porn (legal or illegal) is just the excuse - That's why they don't concern themselves with the widely reported inefficiency when it comes to preventing child pornography. The real purpose of the filter is to control information so that the Government can dictate what you know and what you don't.
Just as the leaked filter list showed some 'politically inconvenient' websites rather than illegal listed among the banned content, I am sure that over time more and more of these 'inconvenient' sites will be added on and soon you would end up with a China style Nation wide firewall.
Control of information is basically control of votes. The problem is that the Liberals are probably loving the idea too and can't wait to inherit it so there is no way of preventing this from happening or relying on the next Government to abolish it.
Will it actually do anything? I doubt it, but we can only hope. Can't stop people from viewing pornography on the net. I say it's a conspiracy between the Government and the Porn industry to stop us viewing on the net so that we go and buy their dvds :p
Exactly my point. Where will they stop when it comes to banning sites? They could always blacklist a site that bad mouths the current government, or makes a joke out of them (though they do a good job of that themselves), and we would be none the wiser. I have been saying it ever since they annoucned the plan for this ages ago, it will become more like China with it's censorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
The government totally has an ulterior motive and doesn't do a very good job of hiding it :mad:. They claim that this will make the internet safer for children but its total bulls$%#. Only the extreme material is blocked; they cannot do so with 'legal' porn i.e. made with consenting adults. If anything, this filter will do more harm than good as families are fooled into a false sense of security.
Apparently its also very easy to circumvent the filter lol. Just google "australian internet filter bypass"
Though I'll never be able to prove it, it is of my opinion that these were orchestrated.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
It's dead easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by OrionPax
One such easy example: add a question mark at the end of a banned URL and hey presto, the site's accessible.
I'm hearing a rumor that thanks to today's attacks, the censorship legislation is being fast-tracked and could be tabled next week.
EDIT: If the censorship legislation is passed, I don't see myself doing anymore online transactions due to censorship systems being security vulnerabilities.
I think it will be a sad day when/if they pass this legislation, just goes to show how crappy australia is becoming really.
Parents need to put in the effort to monitor their kids activites, not just leave it to someone else. How many years have I been using the net now and I haven't come across any kiddy porn...
They are appealing to conservative morons and tkaing the easy way out. Typical
I will be interested to see if someone comes across something banned if they will be able to sue the govt for providing a faulty product?:D
Spot on there. It should be up to the parent to monitor it. There are simple things out there like net nanny and such that will block porn sites from kids. All they are doing, is imposing their own religious views upon everyone else IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
If they do fast track this, alot of people are going to be really pissed off. I know I will be. I do alot of my bills, banking and such, on the internet. SGB, if what you say is true, I won't want to use the net for anything to do with my money anymore either. Now I don't want to start a political debate or anything (but I know alot of you will probably agree with me on this) but I really think that the Government is screwing the country up by enforcing this.
Looks like the rumor I mentioned was false. The Senate isn't even sitting next week.
Sure, the members of /b/ sitting there ddossing government sites and servers isnt good, but at least they DID something. All these anti censorship groups havent really done much of anything to oppose this ban and hey at the end of the day, if the filters going to be put in place then ddossing a few servers isnt that big a deal, unless your the government, then it kind of is, because your site sjust got taken offline by a group of early to mid twenty year olds. Someone deserves the sack over that one.
I duno about you guys, but im stocking up my porn collection, only a matter of time before its ALL banned.
Problem is, DDoSing is illegal, and the incident(s) puts the anti-censorship campaign in a bad light.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dkaris
It also makes it harder for the Liberals to oppose the censorship policy as well.
As i stated in my last post, DDoSing isnt good. i never said it was good or the right thing to do. However without turning this into an all out political thread, i think it needs to be said that the liberal party most likely wouldnt oppose this policy, infact, i think theyd give their backing (but of course they couldnt make it seem that way, that defeats the purpose of politics.) I believe the liberals would be even more right wing if this policy was something they were implementing. As for being against the whole filter, its not like the Australian people have had a choice we were basically told "this is being bought in to prevent child porn, its non negotiable and itll be bought in in 2010."Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
I know we're quick to blame Rudd for this, but Howard was already looking into internet censoring before he lost government. Rudd just picked up the ball and ran with it.
So yes, Labour or Liberal would be irrelevant, both parties want to push this through for the betterment of the children.
To back up what SGB said, those attacks did the anti-censorship groups no favours. While they may not have been responsibile for them, they want what the attackers want and that's no censorship. The government's not going to give a toss that they're two seperate groups, they're just going to look at them both in the same light, that they're cyber-terrorists attacking a government policy.