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Factually incorrect according to? GWR have their own set rules of judging criteria, & if nobody else has come forward & met them, why not make the claim?
If people feel so strongly about AJ and his claim, contact GWR, jump through the hoops like he has and prove them wrong.
This guy has come out on social media abusing people who've pointed out to him that his collection isn't the world's largest. I can't repeat the words here, but yeah, incredibly immature and vile stuff. I could understand that maybe this guy has simply never ever met or communicated with too many other TF collectors and never Googled or read articles about other collectors to realise that there are bigger collections out there - perhaps he was just really ignorant. But as people with larger collections have been flooding him with responses and proving him wrong, he's now lashing back in really horrible ways and has generally abused the Transfandom as a whole. I can't repeat the exact words, but he's basically said that anyone who spends "that much money" on building a large collection (i.e. collection larger than his) must be a sad individual who desperately needs to fornicate with females. Abuse aside I also find it grossly hypocritical, because while 618 may not be the world's biggest collection, it is still a really big collection! :eek: 600+ figures is not something to be laughed at, that's a LOT of toys!
Like I said, I'm not having a go at this guy for wanting to show off or boast about his big collection. Most of us boast about our collections, myself included. As a person who has his collection count number with a link to pics in his post signature, it would be grossly hypocritical for me to criticise anyone else for wanting to show off their toys. ;) :p But for one big collector to then go out and abuse all other big collectors (or specifically, bigger collectors), just seems not just hypocritical but also incredibly petty and jealous. So if he thinks that a person with say 1000 toys is a sad individual, what happens when his collection reaches that size?!? :confused: Or is he planning on capping his collection at 618?
It's no wonder he retaliated. He posts up something he was excited and proud of - being the first person to approach Guinness - and all the trolls came out of the woodwork to bring him down.
Sure, it's not the biggest, and if he is oblivious of that, then let him have his moment, and rationally prove it... (you have no idea how much I hate myself for saying this) look at what Ryan from seibertron posted on his facebook page - yes, it gave him an opportunity to heavily plug his website, but he welcomed him to the larger fandom that he is obviously unaware of, in addition to showing him that there are 4 digit collections out there (or 5 digit if you count the non-toy items)... and that's why his post was left up and the trolls were deleted.
Even my comment on your fb page could have been interpreted as being a bit snobbish, even though it was just noting that there are much larger collections out there... it missed the point of his original posting.
Sure, it wouldn't have stayed a "Guinness record" for long, but he made it possible for there to be a listing for largest Transformers collection, and for that, he earns his short period as being *their* verified largest collection.
Let me guess: rather than the "Hey nice collection dude, though I would point out that this, this and this are bigger collections" it actually was "LOL OMGZ nub loser kent noway ur collection is bigger lol. Better luck next time! lol!!!!'"
And he didn't react to well to that, nor the others to his reaction and the cycle of internet arguing continued.
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I wasn't aware that people were abusing him, although I don't think that it justifies his response... but I also don't condone of anyone else being abusive towards him.
As I've said, 600+ toys is still a bloody BIG collection, especially considering that only 25% of TF collectors own 600 toys more more. He's a member of a fairly limited club. My thoughts are, "That's a huge collection, but it's no where close to being the biggest."
What number are you basing that 25% off? Have these numbers been independently verified or are we just taking collectors at their word?
I got the perfect first world problem.
I recently went through some of my stuff in storage, and I noticed through the plastic window of my MISB G1 Encore Meister (Jazz); the pins attaching the wheels to the car (I think they're 'axles') have started to rust and grow mold. Yeah, it's my own fault for not being careful where I store my stuff.
So now I'm contemplating on whether to leave the figure as is, or take it out of the package and clean off the mold and rust with some WD-40. This is a figure I've had since 2011, and didn't plan on opening. If I do take it out of the package to clean up, I'll have to do the same with the Encore Twincast too, which I stored in the same area as Jazz, and it's also showing signs of mold growth (white spots) on the other side of the plastic window. Screws and metal parts are probably rusty too...
6 years' worth of census data. Like other censuses it's based on trust that collectors have submitted accurate data. AFAIK it's the most accurate data collected about collection size - if someone else has more comprehensive data then I would welcome it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
The numbers I cited wasn't completely accurate as it was based off the average results from the 2007-11 polls, but there were also polls in 2012 and 2014. So based on the average of results from 2007-11, 2012 & 2014 I can tell you that 68% of collectors reported having collection sizes under 600, so obviously that means that at 618 figures he's part of 32% of fans with collections numbering 600+.
I've stopped doing the survey because it was causing too much trouble. Each year's poll is just a snapshot of what our collections were like - and that's all censuses are, snapshots. And I think that 6 years' worth of snapshots gives us a reasonably decent picture. :o
A proud moment for a TF fan & it ends up predictably in a trolling session. I'd be disappointed if a newbie came here & got that sort of treatment / line of questioning.
They're probably just burnt because they didn't think of it themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
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Originally Posted by Megatran
The TF community can be real b***hes sometimes. Who cares if it's not the biggest or who has what, just enjoy what you have and let others be
As for having polls on who's is bigger??? That says a lot to me
Ouch! Sorry to hear that dude. I'd open them, clean them and pop them back in the boxes. MISB and MIB encore boxes look the same on display, what value is it to you to keep them sealed?Quote:
Originally Posted by FatalityPitt
Yeah, Thanks. I'll do just that - clean them up and try to prevent future rusting/mold growth. No point keeping them MISB when the toys inside are already spoiled. Plus, I can always put them back in the box, unlike MOSC figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyJazz
I don't care if he has the largest or smallest collection... what he's drawn negative attention towards himself for having done is making the claim that it's the largest in the world. If he'd just said, "I have large collection. I have 618 toys," then I'm sure that nobody would have called him out on it. If you are going to make a claim then you need to be able to back it up. This is known as Burden of Proof. And okay, it's just toys. It's not like other people making far more serious false claims like vaccinations causing autism and what not -- but it's a similar type of logical fallacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream77
:mad: NEVER QUOTE PEOPLE OR THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Starscream77
The polls were never intended to determine "Who has a bigger collection," it was to determine what the AVERAGE size of a collection was. It explicitly states this in the bloody PREAMBLE. This was written to deliberately avoid people from making statements like that. :mad:
I referred to the poll data to support this guy in terms of how impressive his collection is. Because some people might think, "Oh, he only has 618 Transformers." 'ONLY' has? 618 Transformers is a lot!
You're objecting to other people giving this collector a hard time after he's made a false claim (and I wholeheartedly agree that nobody should be abusing him), yet you see it fit to give me a hard time by misrepresenting a project that I spent nine years of my life working on. "Just enjoy what you have and let others be," -- I begged for this during the last years of the census. Reminding people that participation the polls was voluntary and that if anyone didn't like it, then they could just walk away. I begged people to avoid posting on those threads if they objected to it. But it NEVER happened. Every year someone would get abusive and nasty... they would never leave it alone. This is why there has NEVER been a collection count census since 2014. My goal was to run these polls every year, like taking snap shots of the average collection size to give us a general idea of trends etc. But the haters wouldn't let it happen, and so I reluctantly buried the project after 2014. I actually was ready to bury it after 2012 - which is why there's no data for 2013, but I did the poll one last time in 2014 because it was the 30th anniversary of the franchise and it felt like a good time to end the project on once and for all.
But the project is dead and buried now. You can stop picking on it. But the data exists for the very purposes of why it was collated in the first place.
Wouldn't said burden of proof be on those printing the record books? I would think yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
As for your next rant please tell me who I quoted? I made a comment on polls, did I once mention a person or poll in particular?
Practice what you preach and do not misquote people, and really Gok I personally believe you take things way too seriously, this is a forum for blokes who collect plastic toys (of which I am proud to be)
I believe that you misrepresented the purpose of the poll, of which is outlined in its Preamble.
As for the responsibility of Burden of Proof, this is explained in the saying, "semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit" which is Latin for "The necessity of proof always lies with the person making the claim." The Guinness Book would have responsibility in verifying and checking that the claim is genuine, sure, but it is also ultimately the responsibility of the claimant to ensure that his or her claim is true. For example, if I were to publish a book claiming that vaccines cause autism, then okay, my editor and publisher might share some blame in not checking to see if my claims were true... but the ultimate blame would fall on my shoulders for making such an outrageous claim in the absence of verifiable evidence. It would certainly tarnish my editor's and publisher's reputation mind you. This is why Andrew Wakefield was stripped of his title as doctor after publishing his paper on the link between autism and vaccinations - the medical association (and other doctors in general) didn't want to have their reputation tarnished by this one person's rogue findings.
I realise that I am using a very extreme example, and of course we are just talking about toys here. People have literally died as a result of Wakefield's claim, whereas all that this guy's done is stir arguments between toy-collecting nerds on the internet.
I think there's a couple of interesting things with that story:
1. The guys has a solid collection for what has been something he has come back to later in life.
2. It would be interesting how the Guinness World Records chooses to count them. I remember an interview with Chris Sheedy (the only Australian GWR auditor) talking about how a part of their job is determining what is a worthwhile record, and then a system that is verifiable and replicable if someone wants to contest the record. (Perhaps there would finally be a universally accepted counting system :P)
3. As others have said, props to him for going on this endeavour to set the initial record, and as far as GWR would know it's the largest that they have been made aware of. However, there would be nothing wrong with someone else (eg: Griffin) contesting the record and then being declared the record holder
That is factually incorrect. Grubs live in the woodwork. Don't Trolls reside under a bridge or overpass? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by griffin
I must admit that I'd be curious to see this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim Prime
Heh, yeah, a record of 618 toys wouldn't remain uncontested for long. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Seraphim Prime
As I said before, I reckon that the world's largest would belong to either Harold Tietjens or Akiyama Fumihiko.
Yeah... I actually wrote that at first (out from under their bridges), but it didn't sound right and might distract people from the point of the message. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
Comparing Bayformers w/ their G1 counterparts and how other movie-franchises' designs compare with their respective source material.
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There was a x responds to y video that went around a while ago with kids being shown G1. Who knows how it was edited. Short version on seeing G1
Prime. Awesome.
Megs. How is that scary?
Bee. Woah. You have let yourself go.
Scary enough! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellico
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It was food for thought. In the 80s the bad guys were reasonably attractive and achieved menace through actions and motifs. By the end of the 90s they had fangs and by the end of the 00s they were literal monsters.
I go on about how a toy has to contain the whole message about a character. At some point it crossed a line where a Decepticon badge wasn't enough.
I never followed the cartoons after G1, but has Transformers delved or come close to this whole concept of "gotta collect them all!" or "competition" style plot lines?
Basically I was building a Gunpla and looking into the backstory of what I was building (I don't actually watch Gundam, I just like cool robots), and found out it came from a series called "Gundam Build Fighters". Which to me was just this ridiculous concept of reducing the Gundam franchise to yet another competition style cartoon show.
I never liked that style of plot-line, including Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Beybladez, etc. I guess I'm from the old-school of epic good vs evil storylines. Characters blah-blah-blah-ing about stats, power levels, power-ups just feels like lazy writing IMO.
Yes. Transformers Armada, particularly the cartoon, has the Pokemon touch to it. For the first half dozen episodes the plot each week revolved around a new Minicon being found and the Autobots and Decepticons racing to be the ones that caught it. It was one of the reasons Armada was disliked a lot at the time.
As people have said Armada was very much in line with 'catch 'em all' statement, in my opinion this also applies to RID as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ralph Wiggum
I was like huh, but then I realised you meant the current RID. And you're right, particularly since Fixit brings out his Pokedex each episode to give us the stats on the new Decepticon. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by MayzaPrime
Ergh really? Glad I missed that boat. Thanks for the lesson, I hope by the time I have kids this trope is dead and buried.
Ralph Wiggum: I highly, HIGHLY recommend that you watch Beast Wars. If you're going to watch just one post-G1 Transformers cartoon, then watch Beast Wars. Aside from having the best screen story ever written for Transformers, it is also definitely free from that "Get 'Em All" vibe that you get with Armada and other TF shows.
One reason for this is because CG animation is really expensive and Beast Wars had a relatively modest budget - one which was cut for Seasons 2 and 3. For this reason, the show only ever has a limited cast number. There are only a set number of Transformers who are on the show at any one time. And sometimes when new characters (and thus new CG models) are introduced, old models are removed from the show... often brutally. ;)
The CG animation may look dated, but bear in mind that this show is about 20 years old. More importantly, the stories are still really excellent. If you want to see a pretty visual spectacle, then go watch Bayformers (I'm serious - those movies do look really good). Beast Wars won't give you that level of spectacle -- they didn't have a US$200 million dollar budget. But what it'll give you is one unforgettable story. :)
Yeah I watched Beast Wars for a time when it first came out, but for some reason never got into it proper. Probably still feeling nostalgic for G1 and wasn't interested in the toys. I think I was way into Star Wars by then. But certainly what I did see I didn't mind.
Holy crap, I can't believe that it's been 10 years and a day since the advanced Sydney premiere of the first live action Transformers movie! :eek: Still feels like freakin' last month to me. :o
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I was talking to a kid I tutor about Transformers. He natuarally grew up on the movie figures and TF1 Movie op is hios favourite. We go talking about megatron and I showed him a picture of G1 cartoon megs saying "This is my favourite Megatron" his reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jellico
ださい - daggy. And - Looks like a Gundam. (I disagreed on this point rather strongly)
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Well, I guess he is in a way, G1 Megatron is a design from th e70s/80s.. so...He does have 172% more personality than Movie Megatron, that much is true!.
*Ugh*.. Having that moment when you contemplate whether to buy a pre-deco of a soon-to-be-released toy (RiD Blastwave) because you feel too impatient to wait for the toy that you actually want (RiD Bludgeon)...
Heretic. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
I used to live in Saitama Prefecture, and my Japanese ex-girlfriend always used to call it だっ埼玉. :rolleyes:
Uh, even Blastwave is just a redeco of Megatronus. I'm just gonna wait for Bludgeon. If I feel the "itch" to play with the mould then I'll just play with Megatronus.Quote:
Originally Posted by FatalityPitt
Yeah I was just referring to myself in the 2nd person. Lately I've found myself wanting a Bludgeon that looks like Bludgeon, and I'm beginning to see Blastwave as a tempting substitute. Just me being impatient is all.
Only the legs, which are just the tank treads (the knees are also different, and the upper arms are the same)... so most of the toy is entirely new... and I think the attraction of Bludgeon is there because it best homages the Gen1 character of the three (even though Megatron was actually in the RID cartoon).Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Fair point. I am looking forward to getting Bludgeon, but not interested in Blastwave in the slightest.
Someone upstairs is REALLY trying to twist my arm into buying TLK Hot Rod. They got the actor who played Bishop in X-Men DoFP to voice him!
https://www.seibertron.com/transform...-knight/38570/
Just placed my first order with TLTC. Fingers crossed this store can keep it's great reputation years from now as it grows.