Ummm... yeah you are... well its been over 12months so its no longer a spoiler. He is deadQuote:
Originally Posted by SuspectimusPrime
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Ummm... yeah you are... well its been over 12months so its no longer a spoiler. He is deadQuote:
Originally Posted by SuspectimusPrime
In Japanese Exo Suits (エクソスーツ) are called Excel Suits (エクセルスーツ) -- I've known this for aaages but only today did I realise why. The 'xo part of "Exo" sounds like a bad word in Japanese. :o
The G1 Trainbots were originally going to have Western names, not Japanese ones. They would have been...
[* (JP name) (<meaning>) = (PROTOTYPE WESTERN NAME)]
* Getsuei <Moonshadow> = NIGHT
* Kaen <Blaze> = POWER
* Seizan <Blue Mountains> = PLANE
* Shouki <Shouki> = MACH
* Suiken <Hydrosphere> = STORM
* Yukikaze <Snow-Wind> = SNOW
* Raiden <Raiden> = GRAND LINER
I was just watching someone on Youtube transforming Masterpiece Star Saber. The transformation and 'Evolution' gimmick (as they'd call it in PotP) reminds me of G1 Powermaster Optimus Prime (the original from 1988, not TR). Even the way Saber (the small robot) folds up to form the torso of the bigger robot is similar to the Optimus Prime. I've never owned a Star Saber toy in any form before, so I've only just realised this.
Someone noted on Seibertron the other day, that the Japanese Legends versions of Misfire and Slugslinger, have their waist/crotch pieces swapped over (JP Misfire has TR Slugslinger's crotch, and JP Slugslinger has TR Misfire's).
I guess they are exactly the same to fit with either toy, and just have some surface resculpting on them... so I wonder if there was a reason why TakaraTomy decided to swap them around.
Stripes' function is "Battle Beast." :D
All these years watching Transformers The Movie and it's never occured to me before today that the gun emplacement above Blurr's parapet might actually be manned.
I've always thought of it as an automated gun, but maybe some unseen Autobot was inside and died when Devastator crushed it.
https://i.imgur.com/M5efjs3m.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/aTyr7Mpm.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/pl0YUOVm.png
Iv'e always considered its non specific/errating firing and aiming to point to it's automation.
Considering how few Autobots we actually see in the city in the movie I always thought the city was mostly empty. After all it was only a handful of Decepticons that attacked Autobot city yet they nearly won. Sure Devastator was key, but if the city was full of Autobots you would expect at least one Autobot combiner to be present.
IDW answered that when they did the Movie comic... Menasor and Bruticus were attacking the ark when Defensor, Superion and Omega Supreme were defending it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
That's Awesome! I did not know that... I really need to catch up on my IDW comics :oQuote:
Originally Posted by MayzaPrime
Well that's always been my thought too, but since we other Autobots manning weapons (Blaster's tower is very similar) maybe it's not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Borgeman
When it comes to assumptions, I always figured any of the 1984/85 Autobots we didn't see in season 3 was there... and died. The mausoleum ship in Dark Awakening is fairly large.Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
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Originally Posted by MayzaPrime
It's only in the collected edition, and it's not much better than a fanfic explanation really, but it's there. And you can see a scan here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:TAM_TPB_Gestalt_Fight.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ravagecat
This has made me wonder if the current G1 collection will have a volume that includes both the Marvel and IDW adapations of TFTM. Doesn't seem to be a place for it though.
Thanks for the link. Glad I've seen it now :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
Of course the reality is that the script for TFTM was written in 1985. Hasbro themselves probably hadn't fully developed the 1986 line up and Sunbow were just going off what toys they knew that Hasbro were planning on releasing, as well as a few figures that Hasbro were developing based on Sunbow's designs (e.g. Galvatron, Rodimus Prime, Cyclonus etc.).
And we know that there were scenes that would've showcased more 1985 characters but they were cut. Such as the scene where Ultra Magnus carries a bunch of Autobot Cars including Tracks, Red Alert, Hoist etc. in his car carrier mode before deploying them in front of an advancing Devastator. It is this attack which forces Devastator to separate into the Constructicons with Megatron close behind them, but then Megatron is stopped as Optimus Prime steps in behind him. This is why in TFTM we see Megatron turning around as he faces Prime, because he was previously watching the Constructicons pursuing Ultra Magnus and the '85 Autobot Cars (and Sideswipe). This piece of animation still made it into the final cut even though the scene before it was cut.
But yeah, I'd say the reason why a lot of 1986 toys didn't appear in the movie was because they hadn't been developed or decided yet. Writers like those who worked in the IDW adaptation have basically retconned what happened, which as Paulbot said is basically what fanfic writers do, but it certainly was never the intention of the original writers. And the retcon only exists in the IDW TFTM adaptation universe anyway - just as Ultra Magnus being drawn and quartered by the Sweeps only exists in the Marvel TFTM comic adaptation (it was also originally in the script, but Sunbow decided to change it to Ultra Magnus just blowing up -- I guess because being drawn and quartered would been too violent?).
Too bad they still decided to traumatise a generation of children with all the other deaths.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
It was the 80s. People didn't care about traumatising us. They sold us toys based on Robocop! :eek:
Robocop 1 or the watered down 2nd and 3rd movie or the even more watered down saturday morning cartoon?:pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
All of the above! They even had a cartoon, comic books and a really weird live action TV series based on it too. Talk about marketing a franchise to the totally wrong audience. As a kid Robocop was just areally cool^super violent cybernetic cop! I was way too young to properly understand and appreciate the story with all of its poignant social themes and motifs - something that a lot of critics have said are sorely missing from the new Robocop remake. The remake is fine as an action film, but as a piece of film literature it is but a shadow of its original namesake. And the over-the-top violence was a deliberate part of the story. I was a uni student when Starship Troopers came out and I was able to better understand and appreciate that story, and of course, go back and appreciate the original Robocop. :) Definitely things I'd buy for a dollar.
Made by the same director if I'm not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Correct, and also the same writer. :) And Starship Troopers starred Michael Ironside who would later go on to play Ultra Magnus in Transformers Prime. :D And Transformers Animated's automated police robots were clearly inspired by Robocop's ED-209. ;)
No its not. Man I disliked that film intensely.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Just my opinion. ;)
Seibertron have posted up another one of their top-5 postings, and this one is actually interesting enough to mention here.
It features some of the confusing or redundant parts that are on Hasbro Transformers toys, and even though I already knew why almost all of these exist (except Optimus Minor, whom no one probably knows why it has extra arms), I thought that there might be some people here who might be enlightened by some of these.
It includes...
- BW Transmetal Optimus Minor having split arms in robot mode (no one knows why... probably so that it wasn't criticised for having no "transformation" element to all of its limbs).
- Gen1 Dinobots having seats (left over from the pre-Transformers Diaclone versions, which had pilots).
- Universe Galvatron having legs (a well documented story about how this toy was originally designed to have three modes and a Voyager size... but then scaled down to Deluxe size, and having the third mode abandoned without removing all of the parts that only apply to the third mode).
- BW Transmetal Ultra toys having cockpits (another story revealed at the time, about the toys intending to have pilots, but the concept was dropped by Hasbro, but later included when TakaraTomy released the blue Cryotek in Japan).
- Gen1 Perceptor having an extra wheel on its back (similar to the Dinobot seats, as it was for a pre-Transformers tank mode that Hasbro didn't officially document with their release of Perceptor).
The seating arrangements on most of 84/84. I had no idea about Microman back then. At the same time a lot of the seats were barely seats so I had the feeling of am I looking a seat or not?
G1 missile springs. All these awesome weapons and none of them work. What's up with that?
G1 Megatron. He had that much disabled on him. And what was with the stock and extra weapons? An awesome toy with all these hints of even more awesomeness.
The Japanese opening for Transformers Animated is great.
But I never knew there was an alternate version featuring some different Decepticons (including Swindle and Soundwave)
There's also a third version with the cast singing the song.
"All I can do, and all you can do, habatake transform!" :D
Damn, that is amazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
Tobitate Transform.
:D
I had no idea the Animated opening was so rocking!
It's JAM Project! It features the voices of legendary anime singers like Kageyama Hironobu (The☆Headmasters opening/closing themes, CHA-LA-HEAD-CHA-LA etc.) and Mizuki Ichiro (Zone opening/closing themes, Science Ninja Team Gatchaman etc.)! :D You should see how these guys perform live. :D
I really love how the Japanese actually create new music for Transformers instead of constantly rehashing the G1 theme which is what we all we get from the American series (Beast Wars is Canadian ;)). Just look at the RiD theme... every time I hear I just think that the lyricist must've spent a whole 30 seconds coming up with those words. :rolleyes:
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I just realised that there's a Cybertronian martial art called "Tekkaido," which in Japanese means "Way of Withdrawal" (撤回道). :o So do they beat their opponents by running away? Works for Sir Robin the Brave I suppose. :p This name seems to be coined from Anglophone canon, not Japanese canon. And my guess is that they wanted to make it sound like "Taekwondo," but then they used more Japanese sounding phonology and uh... yeah. Way of Buggering Off! :p
G1 Cartoon Megatron must be a black belt in Tekkaido. "DECEPTICONS, RETREAT!"
As amusing as “the way of fleeing like a coward” sounds. I had assumed that the “Tekkai” in Tekkaido was meant to be read with the same kanji as the Tekkai technique in the anime One Piece 鉄塊 which I believe means Iron Body (and would thus be read as 鉄塊道) quite fitting for a race of mechanical beings.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Sounds more plausible. :p Although unless an official source provides the Kanji then it's impossible to definitely rule out what the actual meaning is supposed to be. ;)
This sometimes happens in canonical material from Japan too where names are only ever officially written in Katakana. One example is the character "Akira" from Transformers Zone. Phonetically "Akira" can be a boy or girl's name, the difference lies in which Kanji is used (similar to say Tony vs Toni etc.). Since the name is only ever written in Katakana, it's impossible to tell if Akira is meant to be a boy or girl. And the Akira character is incredibly androgynous in TF Zone!
The Japanese fandom may not have FIRRIB but one endless fan debate that does exist there is whether or not Akira is male or female. :p
Speaking of Japanese stuff. I just found out that Takara and Takara Tomy have developed a bunch of video games over the years (most non Transformers related) dating back as far as 1987 when they made Transformers: Headmasters for the Famicom Disk System (Not to be confused with the cartridge based Famicom AKA the NES).
My son noticed (quite impressively I thought considering how tiny it is and is the same orange colour as the shoulder) that the RID Blind Bags version of Unicron has a Decepticon symbol on his right shoulder. I've had one of these figures 10 times longer than him and I never noticed! :eek:
Anyone know if this is the only Unicron that has - on the toy, not the packaging - been identified as a Decepticon? I've got quite a few Unicrons now but as far as I can remember none have a Con symbol on them.
I'm not sure, if I remember I'll check my unicron when I get home tonight. There have definitely been cases in the past of non-aligned characters being given a decepticon or autobot insignia on the toy. Animated Lockdown is an example I believe.
G1 Gnaw
G1 Wreck Gar
G1 Unicron (never produced but prototypes had a Decepticon rub sign)
G1 Sixshot (Japan - does LG50 Sixshot have any Decepticon logos?)
Cybertron Unicron
ROTF The Fallen*
RtS Wreck Gar
AoE Lockdowns
AoE Steeljaw
RiD Megatronus*
Titans Return/LG Gnaw
*Subjective -- the Fallen was initially not a Decepticon. In some continuities he's never a Decepticon, but in the Bayverse he influences Megatron to create the Decepticon faction and in the Aligned universe he claimed to be the first Decepticon but there's no canonical evidence to back this claim.
They made Mystery of Convoy in 1986, although that was cartridge game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
The Famicom Disk System isn't a stand-alone console on its own, it's a add-on disk drive that attaches to your Famicom console.
I used to own both an NES and Famicom back in the day. :)
I didn't own the Disk System but I knew other kids who did.
Errrr....
I think I got my Famicom Disk mixed up with my Twin Famicom. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Famicom
God I'm finding it hard keeping facts straight in my head these days.
But Convoy No Nazo was published by Takara, not Developed by them. Headmasters was the first developed. Huge difference between being a developer and a publisher.
Also what are you talking about Six Shot not being a Decepticon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtLpwtwqaak
I said...Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
i.e. Only talking about Sixshot in G1 Japanese continuity, not Anglophone continuity. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
??? Sorry but most people don't know anything about Japanese G1. Are you saying Takara made him a different faction?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Here's the link the Giant Bomb page for Convoy no Nazo. As you can see it was not developed by Takara. https://www.giantbomb.com/transforme...zo/3030-15638/
A developer makes games, a publisher publishes them. I was referring specifically to developing games. Any businessman with some financing can be a publisher. Being a developer takes artistic and programing skill.
In Japanese G1 Sixshot was a factionless mercenary, much like Lockdown. Yet the toy was packaged as a Decepticon and had Decepticon logos. In the anime and manga he had no logos.
https://image.ibb.co/m2E3mS/temp.jpg
This doesn't seem to hold very well. He was pretty much the Japanese city commander, emphasised even more by his rivalry with Ultra Magnus.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
TFwiki lists his function (presumably from the Headmasters cartoon itself) as "Decepticon Dinobase Ninja Staff Officer." Though he may have been his own bot prior to its events, he seems to be a Decepticon in the time of the show.
Ah, thanks for the explanation.
I tried to watch the Headmasters and within a couple of episodes I gave up thanks to that really crappy english dub. I wish Hasbro would do a proper dub of the Japanese only episodes.
Was messing around with the new Trypticon with my son and just found that there is a button behind the head to pop open the cap and reveal the gun on his nose. I've been opening it by the cap :p
And that button has a Titan Master port on it. You're meant to put the Titan Master that came with Trypticon in that port making him the second Titan Class Titan Master.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raider