Transformers Toy Rumours (must note a source)

It doesn't make sense for that Cliffjumper to be a 3rd Party or KO product because those companies don't put numbering on their testshots/pre-release pieces like the most recent version of Cliffy has on his shoulder and pelvis, that's a typical Hasbro tactic that is used on other lines like Marvel Legends to mark their testshots/display figures at conventions or internal use to determine where they originated from if stolen and to deter the average buyer. I'm still sticking to the theory that Cliffjumper was intended to release/be announced alongside Rise of the Beasts coming out in Cinemas, as part of a deal with Porsche for that movie, and when the movie was delayed a year so was it's release.

Legacy Minerva has appeared in full packaging from the wrong chain in the US :)

There was a listing on Amazon France last week, of what is claimed to be Studio Series 1986 Voyager Ironhide... which makes the Core class Ratchet toy even more unusual, as it looks like we will end up having both characters in two different size classes.

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Originally Posted by JJJ

Legacy Minerva has appeared in full packaging from the wrong chain in the US :)

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Pretty bloody cool that they are releasing such an obscure figure.

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Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky

Pretty bloody cool that they are releasing such an obscure figure.

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Oh yeah. I think we can safely say that Hasbro are convinced that (some) JG1 toys will sell in sufficient numbers to make it worth their while. Let's hope they take it to heart.

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Originally Posted by griffin

There was a listing on Amazon France last week, of what is claimed to be Studio Series 1986 Voyager Ironhide... which makes the Core class Ratchet toy even more unusual, as it looks like we will end up having both characters in two different size classes.

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This is great news and makes me less angry at the Core class Ratchet.

A picture from online (origin unknown) claiming to be the SS Voyager Ironhide...

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2022/080301.jpg

And what could be a collaborative Optimus as a camera, from facebook, and is said to be officially revealed in 7 days time (August 10th).

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2022/080308.jpg

But is it a working camera🤔

The latest round of computer listing leaks:

� Tra Gen Legacy EV core Nemesis Prime
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Grimlock
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Bomburst Pr (Core Energon Monster Package refresh)
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Swoop
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Starscream Pr
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Skar
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Core Snarl
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Shrapnel
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Prowl
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Deluxe Crosscut
� Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Junkion 2
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Nemesis Leo
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Ramjet Pr
� Tra Gen Legacy EV Voyager Junkion
� Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Bludgeon

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Originally Posted by griffin

Playing devil's advocate here for a minute... since this toy has been leaked for well over a year now and we have suspiciously had no hint or mention of Cliffjumper from TakaraTomy (or any other official JP source) what if, this "Masterpiece Cliffjumper" wasn't actually done by TakaraTomy.

What if these samples were being done by one of the KO companies that have been replicating various MPs within months of their release, or a 3rd party company... by replicating all of the parts of the Bumblebee toy and swapping out a few parts. It probably wouldn't be too difficult for some of those companies that have been doing Masterpiece scaled figures with significant detailing... to strip out a Bumblebee toy and replace enough parts to replicate Cliffjumper.

I know that TakaraTomy operates to a different strategy to Hasbro (Hasbro would often do an official reveal within days or weeks of something that has leaked), but this just seems like a really long time for a toy to be floating around and not be included in a product display somewhere in Japan or Hong Kong... considering how they often display grey prototypes or odd-coloured prototypes (like MP Trailbreaker at the recent HK exhibition) just to have something out there to hype up the interest from their target market. To have these samples of Cliffjumper look to be a production level sample, it just doesn't make sense that it would already be in production (or ready to be in production) and not be listed anywhere for pre-order yet.
(I don't think we've ever had a Masterpiece toy be released straight to sale without going through a pre-order period... and pre-order periods these days for MP toys are 6-9 months now.)

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I did also suspect that at first, but the more I see of it, the more I see Takara's DNA like the little pop-down panel at the back referencing an early G1 episode. And the overall finish just doesn't seem typical of 3P.

This is purely my theory and chances are I'm wrong, but what if this figure is actually officially licensed by Porsche but it is meant to coincide with the ROTB movie which also features a Porsche (yes Mirage not Cliffjumper) in it and quite possibly licensed Porsche toys? Keep in mind that when the Bumblebee movie dropped in 2018 we saw a bunch of licensed VW toys (including a Bumblebee movie MP and G1 MP) come out in quick succession. The ROTB movie was supposed to come out this year but now it's been delayed, so that could explain why they had a Masterpiece Cliffjumper developed already only to then hold it back for a later release.
Anyway, I'm probably wrong, but food for thought.

In-hand images of what could be Studio Series 1986 Voyager Ironhide have been surfacing from a couple of Asian sources... so is this thing coming out soon and no one has officially revealed it?
And, it is very small for a Voyager (it is shown with Voyager Earthrise Optimus in robot mode and is the size of a Deluxe), so could be like Rodimus Prime, with the parts count pushing up over the cost of a Deluxe price-point.

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2022/080603.jpg

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2022/080604.jpg

Not sure about those two areas jutting out from the sides.

The hinges and panelling on the van mode reminds me of the Classics version.

Some more pictures have popped up, showing that it looks to be exactly the same size as the Deluxe Earthrise Ironhide... so it would be disappointing if it is sold as a Voyager.

http://www.toycollectors.com.au/news/2022/080801.jpg

If a voyager budget is needed to not have a van mode with goofy feet at the back and partsforming, then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Tha_Phantom

If a voyager budget is needed to not have a van mode with goofy feet at the back and partsforming, then so be it.

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Yeah, that's what it is. I really don't understand all the griping about it. Those legs and feet are fairly advanced and involved engineering by HasTak standards.

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Originally Posted by Tha_Phantom

If a voyager budget is needed to not have a van mode with goofy feet at the back and partsforming, then so be it.

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Agreed. It's similar to how Deluxe Class Cliffbumblecap is smaller than a Deluxe, but has clearly above Legends Class level engineering.
These are actually price points after all, not really size classes.

I already have Henkei and Timelines Ironhide, so a new CHUG Ironhide is gonna have to do better than either Siege or Earthrise (both of which I skipped) to convince me to buy it. And I am very tempted to get Studio Series 86 Ironhide! :) I will happily pay a Voyager price for this toy if that's what it takes. :cool:

Do I really want to replace my Earthrise Ironhide and eventually Ratchet? Probably not, but I think this is a good new mould.

PVP has a review up on SS 86 Ironhide which went up on Sunday. It is being classed as a Voyager and the only accessory is the blaster.

Engineering wise and G1 accuracy wise, Ironhide looks great. But i am very happy with my Siege Ironhide so I wont be going for this one. Can't justify the price given he is shorter than the deluxe.

Pretty glad I skipped Siege.

Will be grabbing this + eventual Ratchet.

Not a toy rumour... but, a rumour about a new live action streaming tv show for Transformers?

Something that popped up a month ago that I was sitting on because I expected it to be announced at SDCC (where all the big movie and tv show announcements are made), is the possibility of there being a live action Transformers TV show coming to Paramount+ in the future.

It is information from an entertainment news leaker, so it definitely nothing more than a rumour, but apparently this leaker has been quite reliable in the past, so watch this space.

I'd rather they put the effort into a quality cartoon that's not targeted at kids*.

*By that I mean, kids should still be able to watch and enjoy it, however don't target it at them. Think, Dr. Who level family entertainment.

With each new mould it seems that all possible redecos are guaranteed... so when SS86 Perceptor was released, the black pre-Transformers redeco (later called Magnificus) was expected, and some leaked images look like it might indeed be coming.

Apparently a Legacy TFPrime Skyquake (green) was leaked in a listing a couple of months previously, and now the expected redeco (blue Dreadwing) has said to have been found now as well.

More blurry images of a black SS-86 Perceptor that could be coming.

In-hand images of the black Perceptor, who has a new head.

And what could be a black redeco of the Movie Masterpiece Optimus from the Bumblebee Movie... hopefully not true, as the MPMs have just been toys of what we got in the movies, and they are way too expensive for too many fans to accept a black/Nemesis redeco just for the fun of it.
It's such a pointless toy, of something that was never in any of the movies, to the extent that it hasn't even been done in the cheaper Studio Series (or any of the Bumblebee Movie Optimus toys that I am aware of).

I still don't understand the whole black/Nemesis thing. Sure, a toy of a character (where one exists...) of that nature makes sense, but there seems to be both intent to make and demand for black versions of all sorts of characters. Is this just the old "got any blacker?" thing from the 90s again?

This might be a problem for completionists, having to justify some of the more expensive black repaints/remolds of non-characters, but regardless of whether there were any fiction representations, maybe there is demand for black repaints because of their visual appeal. I saw the lows res pic of this black MPM was tempted to preorder, and i don't even collect MPM or any of the live-action TF lines.

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Originally Posted by griffin

In-hand images of the black Perceptor, who has a new head.

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I've got the original G1 Ehobby Magnificus - he is pretty cool. I love the special power he has to shrink and enlarge things - he might be a Decepticon scientist but imagine that on the battlefield! Superion shows up and Magnificus promptly turns him into the size of a Micromaster :D

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Originally Posted by JJJ

I still don't understand the whole black/Nemesis thing. Sure, a toy of a character (where one exists...) of that nature makes sense, but there seems to be both intent to make and demand for black versions of all sorts of characters. Is this just the old "got any blacker?" thing from the 90s again?

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I was trying to collect all the Nemesis versions of characters, but have given up as there seems to be more and more ones out there that I'd never even heard of.

Last one I got was Nemesis Grimlock - he is an insanely cool looking figure!

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Originally Posted by griffin

It's such a pointless toy, of something that was never in any of the movies, to the extent that it hasn't even been done in the cheaper Studio Series (or any of the Bumblebee Movie Optimus toys that I am aware of).

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The KO Nemesis Studio Series toy was very popular and has sold a lot. It's probably their reasoning for making this.

So it turns out that the second wave of Velocitron does not include Shadowstriker, but rather Shadowstrip, a G2 re-colour of Drag Strip. Has been found on NZ Kmart shelves along with Crasher.

A bunch of 2023 Legacy and SS figures have seemingly leaked.

I'm not interested in the post-G1 figures in the line even if they are "G1" versions. But the rest seem like I'll be buying them. I see Detritus is in the list, he's a G1 Hound repaint, so new Hound incoming???

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Tra Gen legacy Ev Deluxe Tarantulas Pr
Product Number: F7204

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe ShadowStriker
Product Number: F7197

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Strongarm
Product Number: F7201

Tra Gen legacy Ev Deluxe Junkion 3
Product Number: F7199

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Bombshell
Product Number: F7200

Tra Gen Legacy Deluxe Beachcomber
Product Number: F7196

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Detrius
Product Number: F7202

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Deluxe Devcon
product Number : F7198

Tra Gen Legacy EV Robo WLD RDR
Product Number: F3038

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Core Thundercracker
Product Number: F7179

Tra Gen Legacy Ev Voyager Dirge Pr
Product Number: F7212

Tra Gen Legacy EV Scraphook (name for the previously-reported Deluxe Junkion 1)
Product Number: F7191

Tra Gen Studio series core 86 Frenzy
Product Number: F7492

Tra Gen studio series core 86 Ironhide
Product number: F7489

Tra Gen Studio series 86 Dlx Brawn
Product Number: F7236

Tra Gen studio series 86 Voyager Ratchet
Product Number: F7243

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE
Product Number: F7145

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 1
Product Number: F7510

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 2
Product Number: F7512

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 3
Product Number3 F7513

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 4
Product Number: F7514

TRA GEN LEGACY DLX CAPSULE 5 PR
Product Number: F7515

TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE
Product Number F6956

TRA GEN LEGACY LDR CAPSULE 2
Product Number : F7517

TRA GEN LEGACY VOY CAPSULE 1
Product number: F7516

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https://news.tfw2005.com/2022/09/16/...s-found-465379

What are the Legacy Deluxe and Voyager 'Capsules'? Are these capsule 'gashapon' toys, which doesn't make sense, or just placeholder names for the items?

(Apparently) according to Hasbro Taiwan, most HASLAB VICTORY SABER stock for that region has been water damaged and will be cancelled and refunded. If customers respond on time, they will receive the Alpha Trion and Orion Pax set as an apology in addition to their refund, otherwise they will only receive their refund.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threa...#post-20611860

I'm curious about the flow-on effects of this, if true. Is Hasbro Taiwan handling stock for other markets in the overall APAC regions as well?

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What are the Legacy Deluxe and Voyager 'Capsules'? Are these capsule 'gashapon' toys, which doesn't make sense, or just placeholder names for the items?

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Capsule is the industry term for what we call a sub-line. Appears to have been around for some time, but has only recently seen use amongst customers and communications from Hasbro.

In the specific listings that have been leaked, we don't know precisely what they are, but it's a safe bet to guess at something along the lines of a third wave of Velocitron or (the current favourite) a second wave of Wreckers.

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Originally Posted by Tranceblade

(Apparently) according to Hasbro Taiwan, most stock for that region has been water damaged and will be cancelled and refunded. If customers respond on time, they will receive the Alpha Trion and Orion Pax set as an apology in addition to their refund, otherwise they will only receive their refund.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threa...#post-20611860

I'm curious about the flow-on effects of this, if true. Is Hasbro Taiwan handling stock for other markets in the overall APAC regions as well?

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Specifically, this is (allegedly - I don't give much stock to the rumours or supposed sources as yet) about Star Sabre.

I understand that our stock, normal retail and specialty, comes via Hasbro US.

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Capsule is the industry term for what we call a sub-line. Appears to have been around for some time, but has only recently seen use amongst customers and communications from Hasbro.

In the specific listings that have been leaked, we don't know precisely what they are, but it's a safe bet to guess at something along the lines of a third wave of Velocitron or (the current favourite) a second wave of Wreckers.

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Oh i see. I guess updated listings closer to the release date will have the subline and character names in place of 'capsule'.

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Originally Posted by Tranceblade

(Apparently) according to Hasbro Taiwan, most HASLAB VICTORY SABER stock for that region has been water damaged and will be cancelled and refunded. If customers respond on time, they will receive the Alpha Trion and Orion Pax set as an apology in addition to their refund, otherwise they will only receive their refund.

https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threa...#post-20611860

I'm curious about the flow-on effects of this, if true. Is Hasbro Taiwan handling stock for other markets in the overall APAC regions as well?

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Word is that the twitter that rumour came from is fake......its different from the Hasbro Taiwan account.

If it is all fake, it is a very cruel joke... because it is asking people to voluntarily cancel their orders with the promise of a free 2-pack if they do.
When I read it, it didn't make sense that everyone was going to be having their orders cancelled with a full refund, but only people who voluntarily cancelled their orders first would get the free 2-pack,
I wonder if it was done by someone who missed out on the pre-order, and is doing all this just to get a second chance at it from the cancelled orders they are creating.

That or standard 4-chan trollery is my guess. If the latter, then they must be loving the thread over on TFW about now.

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Originally Posted by JJJ

That or standard 4-chan trollery is my guess. If the latter, then they must be loving the thread over on TFW about now.

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It got posted there after it was posted on TFW, was called out as fake very quickly and then not talked about it since