Transformers questions by newbies, and not-so-newbies

I'm more interested in Monstructor than the Dinoforce to be honest.

I wonder if there's any budget to remould...?

They'd probably just repaint. The Dinoforce and Monster Pretender heads should the same I think

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

Shame that Slash has been left out, but I guess we all have assumed Slash is NOT an Anklyosaur. So I thik it's a fair call if it is a new Dinobot called Skar. Oh but I see Skar was in IDW

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Yeah, I too was upset hearing that they would ditch Slash, but now seeing that they have to have a certain dino species there for the Dinoking potential I guess that's fair enough.
I wouldn't want them changing Slash's species to accomodate that, so better off to go with a different character.

So, I'm getting confused with Legacy vs Legacy Evolution. Is the "4th wave" of Legacy officially the 1st wave of Evolution? I've seen it referred to as both. But are the product (or whatever they are called) numbers actually the same? Or, as far as retailers are concerned, are they different lines? What are your store receipts or toy packagings stating?

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Originally Posted by Skyfire

So, I'm getting confused with Legacy vs Legacy Evolution. Is the "4th wave" of Legacy officially the 1st wave of Evolution? I've seen it referred to as both. But are the product (or whatever they are called) numbers actually the same? Or, as far as retailers are concerned, are they different lines? What are your store receipts or toy packagings stating?

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I think the 4th Wave got curtailed and got meshed into the 1st Wave of Evolution / 3rd Wave of Legacy - I imagine we would have had another repack or two if we had a 4th Wave of Legacy. But for the Box collectors, they have kept Breakdown's box the old Legacy styling so that he matches the other stunticons. So no official 4th Wave and instead a new line.

It's wave four with an additional line sub-title. Evolution is the latest ... well, evolution, in the modular accessory gimmick thing that started with War For Cybertron's C.O.M.B.A.T. system, which began with Weaponisers, then Fossilisers, now Evolution. The main difference between Evolution and its forerunners is that the modular 'bots like Scraphook are not Partsformers anymore. They can come apart to become accessories for the other bots, but dis/reassembly is no longer part of the transformation; they just transform normally.

*Cybertronian Omnifunctional Modular Battlefield Assault Tech System

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Originally Posted by DELTAprime

While there is the obvious cost of running or upgrading the hardware, it's nothing for a company like Activision Blizzard King which still has servers up for games like the original Modern Warfare and the original version of StarCraft. What a lot of people don't take into account is the tech support element. How many support emails is this old game generating? How often do I need to have my devs go and write new server code to fix an issue? Again, Activision Blizzard can afford all that so they really have zero defence. But for a small dev, it is relevant. It should be noted that Activision Blizzard and EA are the two worst offenders for shutting down old games' multiplayer servers. In EA's case, they want you to play the new version of your favourite game, rather than a two-year-old version so they can sell you new microtransactions. It's less clear what Activision's reason is, but given how much of a horrible, money-grubbing person the CEO Bobby Kotick is, it's likely just a profit thing.

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Activision no longer even has the Transformers license so I don't know if the terms of their license would even let them keep the servers going (not that they would anyway, they're cheap so-and-so's). Or am I wrong on the license terminating server infrastructure deals?

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Originally Posted by Skyfire

Or, as far as retailers are concerned, are they different lines? What are your store receipts or toy packagings stating?

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Most retailers in Australia create an abstracted identifier for all toys in a line / size class (e.g. Myer, Target, Big W), but some do individually identify them by UPC (Kmart, JB, Zing?), so I presume you're asking about the first type. Myer appears to have updated their listing description for deluxes to now include "Ev", i.e. "Transformers Generations Legacy Ev Deluxe Assortment", so I'm presuming that listing covers the new Deluxes, but the Myer "Item Code" has NOT changed. We'll have to wait and see what Target and Big W do.

Thanks members for the info about Legacy vs Legacy Evolution. I was wondering if the lines are the same when it comes to price matching or buying online from random assortments or monitoring online stock. Wait and see I guess.

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Originally Posted by Cat

Activision no longer even has the Transformers license so I don't know if the terms of their license would even let them keep the servers going (not that they would anyway, they're cheap so-and-so's). Or am I wrong on the license terminating server infrastructure deals?

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Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on the terms of the license. So I didn't introduce that variable.

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Originally Posted by DELTAprime

Maybe, maybe not. It would depend on the terms of the license. So I didn't introduce that variable.

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Ah, fair enough.

Personally, I'm happy with a new Dinobot name (Skar) to replace Slash, but it will be confusing for some oldie fans like me who already know Skar as a bat Powermaster engine for Doubledealer.
But as for the new Dinobot name... I'd be okay if the name Slash is being retired, because it is just like Hasbro retiring the Slag name due to it being a vulgar slang word in the UK - the name Slash is a vulgar slang word in Australia, that would often make me think that it was a Dinobot who would constantly be "marking its territory". :p

As for the Evolution question - it could be looked at like Armada having "Unicron Battles" as its second year sub-title... or TFPrime having "Beast Hunters" as its second year sub-title... so you could see it all as being the one toyline, and the wave that has Tarn and Hotshot being wave 4, while Metalhawk and Skyquake being wave 5.
For me, I will probably end up referring to it as Evolution wave 1, as it makes it easier to keep track of the different waves if there aren't too many waves. (for a while now, Generations has been a yearly product line, and if Legacy is supposed to be for 3 years, we could be seeing another sub-title next year, and up to 10 waves over the 3 years... which makes it more difficult to keep track of them and their different release dates).
And as it was guessed, the products themselves have a slightly different series name to them by Hasbro and listed at Retailers, so it would be difficult to exchange or price-match between Legacy and Evolution.

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Originally Posted by griffin

Personally, I'm happy with a new Dinobot name (Skar) to replace Slash, but it will be confusing for some oldie fans like me who already know Skar as a bat Powermaster engine for Doubledealer.
But as for the new Dinobot name... I'd be okay if the name Slash is being retired, because it is just like Hasbro retiring the Slag name due to it being a vulgar slang word in the UK - the name Slash is a vulgar slang word in Australia, that would often make me think that it was a Dinobot who would constantly be "marking its territory". :p

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It was my understanding that Skar will be a different alt mode and presumably character to Slash altogether? Given that this core Dinobot combiner is pretty much confirmed to be reused as Dinoking and the G1 Dinoking never had a velociraptor, it will need a member that turns into a Ankylosaurus.

Yes, it is said to be a different dino mode to Slash... I was just referring to the name, which might have been confusing.

Fair enough. Personally I'd have preferred if they could have kept Slash but I totally get the Dinoking justification for replacing her and I guess we have an almost core scale toy of her already. :p

Edit: actually looking at this comparison pic I took a while back with Vertebreak, Slash really is core size.
https://i.ibb.co/5TfLfCj/20201204-195605.jpg

I'm honestly glad they went the Dinoking recolour option route. I don't need a combining set of Dinobots but if Dinoking isn't too much of PITA to get then I'm absolutely down for that.

Just a fortnight ago I was taking a leak at work, and a colleague stood next to me at the urinal and said, "Come for a slash." :D
So yeah, we definitely still use that word in that context.

And yes, "Skar" makes me think of the Nebulan, which is confusing. Especially considering that Hasbro recently used the name for the Gens Selects Cassette (repaint of Ratbat) to complement Earthrise Doubledealer. Might've been nice if Hasbro named the Dinobot "Scar". I thought we were over that 80s/90s trend of replaking C's in words with K to make them sound kool (e.g. Mobile Armoured Strike Kommand, Mortal Kombat etk). :p

*sigh* yes, slash has THAT meaning, but it also means cutting something, which is what a dinosaurs claws were evolved to do.
Honestly, people look way too deep into things instead of taking them at face value. :rolleyes:

What if we rename her Splash?

No that might not work🤔

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Originally Posted by Autocon

What if we rename her Splash?

No that might not work🤔

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Keep it for when then they do a Plesiosaur one eventually.

Personally I want it to be Smash, so then you'd have all three 'new' Dinobots keeping with the onset-S, single-syllable non-Grimlock naming theme (Snarl, Sludge, Swoop, Slag) but also having the same Vowel-Consonant ending (Slash, Smash, Splash).

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Originally Posted by Skyfire

Thanks members for the info about Legacy vs Legacy Evolution. I was wondering if the lines are the same when it comes to price matching or buying online from random assortments or monitoring online stock. Wait and see I guess.

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Myer considers Legacy and Legacy Evolution the same line. Their barcode stickers on Legacy Pointblank (wave 3) and Legacy Evolution Scraphook (wave 1) are the same.

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Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper

Keep it for when then they do a Plesiosaur one eventually.

Personally I want it to be Smash, so then you'd have all three 'new' Dinobots keeping with the onset-S, single-syllable non-Grimlock naming theme (Snarl, Sludge, Swoop, Slag) but also having the same Vowel-Consonant ending (Slash, Smash, Splash).

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But the plesiosaur is Paddles. Can't lose Paddles.

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Originally Posted by Cat

But the plesiosaur is Paddles. Can't lose Paddles.

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Spaddles

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Originally Posted by griffin

Personally, I'm happy with a new Dinobot name (Skar) to replace Slash, but it will be confusing for some oldie fans like me who already know Skar as a bat Powermaster engine for Doubledealer.
But as for the new Dinobot name... I'd be okay if the name Slash is being retired, because it is just like Hasbro retiring the Slag name due to it being a vulgar slang word in the UK - the name Slash is a vulgar slang word in

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Ah, I embarrassingly forgot about Skar... I'd rather keep Slash for Slash personaly, although I'm firmly in the keeping Slag for Slag camp. Slag being the world for molten metal. But for something like and Ankylosaur, surely Smash would be a better name than Skar.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Just a fortnight ago I was taking a leak at work, and a colleague stood next to me at the urinal and said, "Come for a slash." :D
So yeah, we definitely still use that word in that context.

And yes, "Skar" makes me think of the Nebulan, which is confusing. Especially considering that Hasbro recently used the name for the Gens Selects Cassette (repaint of Ratbat) to complement Earthrise Doubledealer. Might've been nice if Hasbro named the Dinobot "Scar". I thought we were over that 80s/90s trend of replaking C's in words with K to make them sound kool (e.g. Mobile Armoured Strike Kommand, Mortal Kombat etk). :p

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Should remind your kolleague, talking is forbidden in that kontext. Replaking C's in words was the thing to do in the 80/90s and I fully support it. Especially for Skar, bekoz he's a Nebulan

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Originally Posted by Seraphim Prime

Spaddles

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This is the way

Does anyone know if MP Ultra Magnus has ever been KOed? I've found a really good deal on a used Ultra/Delta Magnus pair and I'd like to make sure both are legit before getting them.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper

Does anyone know if MP Ultra Magnus has ever been KOed? I've found a really good deal on a used Ultra/Delta Magnus pair and I'd like to make sure both are legit before getting them.

Cheers.

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Yeah absolutely it has, there is a KO that has a modification to the "butt flap" so it can fold away more.
I'm not aware of a 1:1 KO though, but that doesn't mean it's not out there.

Cheers. :)
This looks to be either legit or a 1:1.

Anyone know much about some figures released by Takara called Tomica Hyper Rescue?

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Originally Posted by Dkaris

Anyone know much about some figures released by Takara called Tomica Hyper Rescue?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomica...C5%AB_Keisatsu

I saw some of these in shops when I was last in Japan (admittedly that was 2017). Didn't pay much attention to it since, ya know... they're not Transformers. :p

The 6th Legacy Core Dinobot has been revealed officially and he is indeed Scarr (Skar from IDW comics) and an ankylosaur. Swoop has also been revealed and is a mini replica of the G1 toy!

https://www.seibertron.com/transform...evealed/47553/

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Originally Posted by Skyfire

The 6th Legacy Core Dinobot has been revealed officially and he is indeed Scarr (Skar from IDW comics) and an ankylosaur. Swoop has also been revealed and is a mini replica of the G1 toy!

https://www.seibertron.com/transform...evealed/47553/

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I love that Swoop! I'm happy that they were able to shrink down my favourite Dinobot so well.

Scarr is easily the worst of the Core Dinobots, while Swoop looks to be the best, so good idea debuting them together. Core Ironhide looks nice too, I'm definitely in for all of them.

I will be passing on SG Grimlock though. I already have SS86 Grimmie, and to be honest I just don't care about Shattered Glass. It's outworn its welcome with me.

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Originally Posted by Cat

Scarr is easily the worst of the Core Dinobots, while Swoop looks to be the best, so good idea debuting them together.

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Scarr appeals to me the most, but admittedly because he's a new character. :)

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Scarr appeals to me the most, but admittedly because he's a new character. :)

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He's just too boxy for me. Perfect for Dinoking, but not quite right for a Dinobot, if you get me. I'll still gladly buy him, but I feel he's the weakest Core figure we've seen so far. I did like him in IDW too.

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Originally Posted by Cat

He's just too boxy for me. Perfect for Dinoking, but not quite right for a Dinobot, if you get me. I'll still gladly buy him, but I feel he's the weakest Core figure we've seen so far. I did like him in IDW too.

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Honestly, this is how I feel about the whole set. They'll make a great Dinoking and the sort-of cheap/blocky look actually works there but I wouldn't get them if they were only the Dinobots.

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Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper

Honestly, this is how I feel about the whole set. They'll make a great Dinoking and the sort-of cheap/blocky look actually works there but I wouldn't get them if they were only the Dinobots.

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I need some Core Scale Dinobots, and these will do for now. They're obviously not ideal, as they're heavily compromised from the combining gimmick, plus the whole fact that they were never intended to be the Dinobots in the first place, but they're better than nothing, and Swoop really looks quite good.

Dumb question... Why are the Legacy Autobot cassettes smaller in robot mode than the SS86 Rumble/Frenzy when they all can fit into any WFC/Legacy Soundwave/Blaster?

Note, I'm just talking about the robot, not the accessories.

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Originally Posted by DELTAprime

Dumb question... Why are the Legacy Autobot cassettes smaller in robot mode than the SS86 Rumble/Frenzy when they all can fit into any WFC/Legacy Soundwave/Blaster?

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So that you will buy the eventual SS86 Autobot cassettes. :p

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Originally Posted by DELTAprime

Dumb question... Why are the Legacy Autobot cassettes smaller in robot mode than the SS86 Rumble/Frenzy when they all can fit into any WFC/Legacy Soundwave/Blaster?

Note, I'm just talking about the robot, not the accessories.

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The different transformations dictate different lengths of leg between the two. Eject's legs fold to form the lower part of the cassette, but with a large gap between them at the crotch. Rumble's legs fold to form the side of the cassette. They could have been designed with legs of similar length were it not for the thickness of the plastic on Eject's crotch.

Thank you, JJJ. I have a really bad mind for understanding engineering stuff like that.