Wolverine Movie // Wolverine and X-Men cartoon

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Originally Posted by kup

I have seen all the episodes released so far (16). They are still in Season 1 not 2.

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My bad typing, I meant that Spectacular Spiderman has just started Season 2.

Got some catching up to do with Wolverine and the Xmen.

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Originally Posted by kup

Not as good as 90s X-men because this time things such as discrimination and public violence against 'racial' groups is much more toned down due to modern sensibilities

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Yeahbutwha? :confused:

I don't get what you mean by that statement. I think there's still the same amount of prejudice these days against minority groups, and some groups have it worse now than ever.

Or do you mean that the writers have left it out because Americans have (until recently?) been much more xenophobic and if they included acknowledging people who are different are actually okay, viewers would have turned off?

I liked the 90s cartoon but mostly I was despairingly noticing all the places it interpreted the "real" X-Men stories wrong. Nowadays I can see it like the movies or Ultimate X-Men as a retelling. But I still cringe when people refer to the X-Men Animated Series cartoon as canon (I have over 800 comic books that say it isn't! :p ).

The new Wolverine movie should be alright and I'm glad it's a prequel to the other movies. I hope they do the Magneto prequel too.

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Originally Posted by Paulbot

(I have over 800 comic books that say it isn't! :p ).

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I'm trying to collect all Uncanny up to issue #400. After that it got too commercial and turned to crap. I just really love the Chris Claremont stuff. That's the 'real' Xmen to me.

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The new Wolverine movie should be alright and I'm glad it's a prequel to the other movies

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I like how it's just not Wolverine as well. Looks like they got Emma, John Wraith, Deadpool, Blob and obviously Gambit. Wonder if they'll have other Canadians in there...

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I hope they do the Magneto prequel too.

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That'd be pretty swell.

IMO.....

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Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger

I'm trying to collect all Uncanny up to issue #400. After that it got too commercial and turned to crap. I just really love the Chris Claremont stuff. That's the 'real' Xmen to me.

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By issue #400 you're 120 issues past his depature (minus the 15 or so issues from his short return to Uncanny) :o

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Originally Posted by Paulbot

By issue #400 you're 120 issues past his depature (minus the 15 or so issues from his short return to Uncanny) :o

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Ahh that's because I meant issue 300.:o

I can stand getting keeping those last few to take it up to a nice round number.

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Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger

I like how it's just not Wolverine as well. Looks like they got Emma, John Wraith, Deadpool, Blob and obviously Gambit. Wonder if they'll have other Canadians in there...

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About time Gambit appeared, would have liked to have had him play a part in the Xmen series, but I think he would have clashed with Wolverine as the "reluctant hero" a bit too much.

And Emma is getting extremely popular of late, anything x-men I chance seeing seems to have her in a larger and more important role.

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Originally Posted by Paulbot

Yeahbutwha? :confused:

I don't get what you mean by that statement. I think there's still the same amount of prejudice these days against minority groups, and some groups have it worse now than ever.

Or do you mean that the writers have left it out because Americans have (until recently?) been much more xenophobic and if they included acknowledging people who are different are actually okay, viewers would have turned off?

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I think he means that it had the racial stereotypes in it, and it would be considered politically incorrect to show such things.
Kind of like when you watch older movies that would have gotten a higher rating by today's standards

I mean the cartoon played on the realities of discrimination against minorities groups or people who are different in human societies. That was a reoccuring and prominent theme in 90s X-men which is much more toned down this time around and less direct.

The 'racial' discrimination themes in X-men is societie's fear against mutants and in 90s X-Men you had radical groups such as 'Friends of humanity' and so forth which seriously discriminated against them and somewhat reflected similar issues that exist in all human societies.

Ah it's a shame then that this element has been downplayed in the show, as for me personally I'm an X-Fan because they are the superheroes I most relate to because of the prejudice they face.

*nods* I agree. I think the single most important theme in X-Men is its social commentary on discrimination/prejudice; and not only racism, any kind of prejudice. Sir Ian McKellan (Magneto) said that as a gay man he could relate to the prejudice theme in the X-Men films. I think one of the most powerful lines in the movies was in the first one where Magneto points out to Rogue that as a Jew who survived the Holocaust he witnessed his family being persecuted for simply being born different to those in power. I like how he specifically said "those in power" and not "the majority" as it also includes things like apartheid where a minority who happen to have political power discriminate against a majority.

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Originally Posted by Paulbot

But I still cringe when people refer to the X-Men Animated Series cartoon as canon (I have over 800 comic books that say it isn't! ).

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I feel the same way about the G1 Transformers cartoon! :p But at the end of the day I accept that the G1 cartoon is canon too - just different from the comics. :)