Same reason they released the Twins and Jazz, to make use of the mold and make more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Ed
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Same reason they released the Twins and Jazz, to make use of the mold and make more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Ed
The problem there is the assumption (and it does seem to have been one made with the making of these movies) is that if the movies appealed to the fans, that they could not be accessible to the general public. As IDW proved with their reboot, that isn't the case at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirokaze
One of the most annoying things about the movies is that while everyone was swearing blind that you couldn't create a new, fresh storyline, talking about who it was intended for, alienating people, character vs action scenes, etc; the IDW continuity was doing it. Yes admittedly the wheels might have fallen off the cart with their reboot as time has gone on depending on your point of view (personally I love it though), but either way it's proven that all the claims about what the movie had to do or couldn't do, are simply unfounded.
He didn't need It, he has a shotgun and a hood. Seriously starting to think Poncho Megatron is the best thing to come from DOTM, I think he should have his own prequel series where he becomes a sort of antihero and drives over the Savannah hunting rouge cyberbeasts created by the Allspark cube that migrated to Africa, and also scaring Elephants. No doubt he would become and errie legend among the locals as the hooded giant, who fear him and make offerings to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
In the Spider side I kinda thought they were parasites, nibbling on his brain, Megs had been out in the wilds so long he got cybermites or scrapletspiders, perhaps beside the point but one things that's sorely lacking in most TF lore is any sort of life on Cybertron other than Cybertronians. Quintessa has cyberfish, and the rest of space has other mechanoid life and scraplets so why can's Cybertron get some other forms of life?
The Wreckers are a##$holes. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
But I do agree, though you so stole that from the Redletter media reviewer.:D
(Spoilers obviously)
After letting the movie sink in for a few days and getting over the initial buzz and excitement I've pretty much realised it's just the same old Bay film. Sure the plot is a little better and the action is pure eye candy. But still disappointing how little these movies have moved forward since 2007.
Decepticons are a joke, I don't have a problem that none of them survived, I have a problem they went down like such chumps. As someone pointed out to me, Shockwave could have not of been in this movie at all and no one probably would of noticed, he added nothing to the movie and died in embarassing fashion (getting tangled in a parachute? Of all the crap ways to go...). Megatron must of been letting the sun fry his circuits in Africa too long because he had absolutely no presence in this movie, he didn't feel powerful he didn't have that dread and ferocity about him. And boy was his death humiliating, we were all set for this final climatic battle betwen Megs and OP and we get a mortal kombat fatality in 5 seconds... Soundwave and Starscream went out in weaksauce ways too.
Bay said in Chicago there would be no military only "Bots vs Cons" he obviously was being a smartass and not including Epps motley crew, they aren't "military" but as per usual humans did most of the damage to the Decepticons.
I guess the big difference is, this time around I accept it for what it is, rather than critisize it, for what it's not. So yeah overall it's a good movie and a decent end to the series, much better than the piece of crap which was ROTF.
:(Too many long comments for me to read as I'm lazy, All I can say I was disgusted with the treatement of 1 of my all time favourite G1 Icons NOOOOOooooooooooo:( after I saw that death it was all very cold for me sniffle:(
I agree... Can we let more people have their say about their first impressions of the movie in these first few days, and limit the (essay) responses for later if someone isn't asking a question. I want to see what people think of it, without having to scroll through the same people responding to everything that gets posted.
Thanks
I just watched i today, thought it was orite, lots of robot fighting and dying, which is always fun to watch
two things bothered be though
the very start - why did they need to tell us again about how the autobots and decepticons were at war back on cybertron, everyone knows. surely there could have been a better way of depicting the escape of the ark/subsequent crashing on the moon.... i mean even showing that scene with the in the moment wartime dialogue and battle cries, instead of the prime voiceover stating the bots and cons are at war, no schisse sherlock
the very end - are they aiming to make the ending more and more abrupt as they go along. movie 1 worked fine, movie 2 looked like they didnt know what to do, so they copied movie 1 and had the voice over with an abrupt finish. but this one, its as if they only had like 30 seconds of film left, so they did a movie 2 ending in fast forward mode.
*Megatron and sentinel die*
*survivors come to view the carnage*
THE END
no aftermath? please....
but otherwise, i didnt mind the movie overall
oh, and that Rosie Huntington Whiteley may not be a great actor, but if was Sam Witwicky, I definitely know what I'd be doing...
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I thought Rosie Huntington Whitely's acting was fairly decent for a non-actress. I'm not saying her acting's great, but for an "amateur" it was alright. Buzz Aldren did okay too considering.
I don't want amateurs!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
If I am paying to get a job done, I get professionals.
I expect no less from a movie that I hypothetically am paying to see (I have no plans to watch this thing yet).
Okay some slightly more coherent not posted at 4am thoughts (as per Griff's request not going to post a wall of text, just a few paras)
I didn't particularly like it. I really liked the 2007 film, quite liked Revenge of the Fallen (guilty pleasure, it was objectively poor) but I'm not won over by this. Maybe it was the style - for action movies I like Bay as a director but this was almost cinematic decadence, a cinematic last days of Rome. I felt like he was doing extravagant over the top stuff just because he could, as opposed to because they were good ideas.
I also felt that like with RotF what the bad guys were doing at any given time was a bit unclear - the deformed Megatron was hiding in quite a pathetic fasion in the middle of the African desert with Starscream and Soundwave seemingly living off scraps - this didn't really line up with Shockwave authoritatively tooling it around in a massive drilling snake thing destroying stuff.
Like RotF it felt too long - especially the final action set piece. By the time it ended (very abruptly) I didn't really care anymore why it had started. I'm generally all for action sequences but the very in your face style of Bay means that any lengthy sequences just grate on the senses.
Those are my major objective gripes. I tend not to let fanboy-ey stuff ruin my Bay-formers experience but will say that I was a bit let down with Shockwave - I see and appreciate how he was written (silent death machine, almost an animal/monster) but was expecting a slightly more aloof villain. Almost G1esque.
And now I hate myself for comparing the movie to G1 so I'll stop because I hate people that do that.
I enjoyed it. I even enjoyed Wheelie and Brains who I thought I would find annoying. Like everyone I have a couple of criticisms.
** In the novel the robots got alot more time. I would of liked this in the movie. Particularly The Wreckers. Their intro scene was a bit longer with Epps explaining why they are NASCAR's and Sideswipe and Mirage have alot of banter between themselves which is quite funny.
**When the Autobots got freed and started slaying cons. I would of liked to of seen more robot action and less humans scurrying around. Also we know Bay used pre-existing models (In the still shots of the trailer you can see Longhaul and a brown coloured Brawl) I would of preferred these being used as fodder as opposed to generic silver bots.
**The garbage truck con. How can they tease the fans like that, We needed to see more of him. He better get a toy.
**Rosie... not a fan sorry
Apart from that I really enjoyed it. I liked the sycophant coward Starscream who was quite cocky about killing Sam then was all "Oh my eye. Ow!" I was glad I knew before hand of Ironhides death because probably would of shocked me pretty bad. I would like sit downa nd watch all the movies in a marathon to work out what one was my favourite but initially I would say this one is.
Oh and the 3D was awesome!:cool:
ok i saw it last night, and it was bad. I was expecting way better but i knew deep down not to get my hopes up.
However the scenes with Sam and Bumblebee together were great, actually kind of sweet. You can absolutely feel the connection they have and that is a really great part of these movies. When Bumblebee is about to be executed i think everyone in the cinema stopped breathing for a little while.
But then continues the crap-a-thon.
Shockwave looked pretty damn cool, he was def a nice G1 reference. Stupid annoying little transformers everywhere (might appeal to kids, i wanted them dead!) Optimus prime is hanging and nobody shoots him???? come on...
Oh and probably the thing i found MOST annoying, is that all the Transformers are now ninja's...what the crap happened to just having guns? why do they all do flips, rolls, spinning kicks, with swords....anyway, bad movie.
Worst part is i have to go watch it again with my son, ill tell him that its excellent though. Even if there is too much swearing in it for little kids.
Oh I agree. My comment wasn't to justify the use of amateurs as actors - but just saying that in the context of an amateur I think she did okay. But yeah, they should have hired a professional for sure. The use of Buzz Dixon was understandable - but that's more of a cameo role rather than the use of a non-actor in a significant role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonac
Okay, but even looking at DotM Shockwave completely on his own, we can see...Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark
+ Bugger all character development. The only word he spoke that was intelligible to the audience as "Optimus" -- otherwise all his dialogue was in Cybertronian.
+ He didn't transform! :(
He was not much more than the driller-worm's keeper. Okay, non-G1 fans are probably not as disappointed, but I don't think they'd be thrilled by the character either.
I applaud Bay for his use of Shockwave. Best bit of misinformation ever!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
He is fleshed out a little more in the novel and is more like his G1 self.
That request wasn't aimed at people who are posting their first thoughts on the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark
I also don't want to prevent debate or discussion.
How accurate is this? I haven't seen the movie yet, but if this is anything to go by, I'm glad I didn't.
Some of those inconsistencies are explained in the comics... but as griffin said before, it shouldn't have to be. The movie ought to be able to sustain its own continuity on its own merit. So I can see how regular movie goers who don't read the comics would find it confusing. While it's great for comic writers to expand on existing continuity, they shouldn't have to fill in the gaps from the movie.
The second page of that is incredibly valid. The first page not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demonac
I also found this.
The first words out of my mouth as the credits started rolling: "That...makes me embarrassed to have a TF tattoo.."
I saw it last night, and to be honest, I was horrified. I watched a bunch of G1 and read some All Hail Megatron this morning to wipe it from my mind. I was trying not to look forward to it, but was secretly believing it might be ok, and that was a mistake.
My issues:
* Awful treatment of female characters - you're either a half-naked, fish-lipped bimbo or a sexless annoying bitch (apart from 'that one time') ugh. So unnecessary. Is it so hard to have a robot movie about robots, rather than the sexual relationship between two humans? Or if rships are a must, why not have a girl with agency? Or who doesn't feel the need to flash at every opportunity? Why not focus on rships between the damn TF's? I mean geez there's eons of war between them all, flesh out their connections maybe.
* TF's 'helping' the US war effort - Bumblebee blowing up Iraqi's? Really? I get really mad about US politics so I wont even start, but that made me go grr..
* Useless scenes - half of the scenes featuring Sam's parents could've been shortened/cut to make time for more bot development
* Shockwave - one of my favourite characters, supposedly one of if not the most intelligent transformer reduced to popping out of the ground at random points with a giant worm, and grunting. I actually shouted "illogical!" when he was killed, much to the embarrassment of my friends. It made no sense. Also I don't think anyone's mentioned this but Shockwave had a mouth. Come on. You could get one thing right, just one :p
* Starscream - words cant express. The horrible things the Bay franchise has done to him. Period.
* Bumblebee NOT being shot in the back of the head. Come on, who else was on the edge of their seats (for the only time in the movie) hoping for Sounders to dispatch him? Nope, instead that yellow bastard blows Soundwave's head off. - ___ -
* Megatron, the indestructable, invincible leader of the Decepticons, reduced to a) bumming around the desert scaring elephants, b) being everyone's bitch, and c) taking advice from slutty-McDuckface. And then after he (pretty much) saves Optimus, he gets killed in like 2 seconds. Sadness.
There's so many others, but I'm forcing myself to try and think of positives.
* I liked Sentinel. For some reason I had an image of him in my mind as a Prime who wasn't all that positive, so when he defected I sort of expected it. Maybe its just because I like the IDW canon of Autobot bureaucracy treating the working class Cons like crap, dunno. Lemoy's voice was great, really suited the character.
* Lazerbeak was the best character. So well done and interesting, the whole montage of the assassinations was awesome
* Soundwave getting screentime, and good characterization. I totally knew that Mercedes was a Con, the minute I saw it :p befits his standing
* Prime's trailer of tricks - I thought his entrance was rushed, it was like ooh ooh a battle TA DA here's Prime bang bang bang.. But him gearing up was cool. Shame it was the only shot of it.
So now, if all the main Cons are dead, how is anyone new going to pick up the movie-line? Any TF movies without Megs, Starscream, Sounders and Shockwave would be a tad, well, dull to say the least. I personally hope no one picks it up, at least for a fewhundredyears, thats just me.
Oh, and did any Halo fans immediately think Covenant when they saw that big spaceship? Cuz I did :p
I sooo agree with you on this point. I wanted that yellow thing gone:mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Towers_Spy
I wish Soundwave had survived and even Starscream. I am a Decepticon fan and found it really sad that they all died. I know the good guys always have to win in movies but how about a few more Autobot deaths?
There were supposed to be. In the novel Mirage/Dino gets excecuted by Starscream and Leadfoot gets his leg blown off trying to escape when all the autobots are held captive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decepticon
I am a Michael Bay fan, I love all the over the top action/stunts/explosive stuff :D
Totally appropriate for a movie about alien robots at war on our planet :)
(and no, I am not being paid to say this :p)
For DOTM itself, here are some of my comments:
- I though this movie had some plotlines from G1 episodes - Countdown to Extinction, Megatron's Master Plan and enfused with 70's NASA conspiracy theories. Even my sister liked the references to G1 cartoons (she's a TF fan as well)
- Sentinel's killing of Ironhide and overall betrayal was a big shock to the system.
- I love Dino - great use of the Ferrari 458 :cool:
- Also love Soundwave as the Merc SLS AMG - great usage of a stunning ride for an Iconic character
- Wreckers were a nice addition, but should have heard the 'Wreck n Rule' shout out at least once :)
- Laserbeak - gotta love him in action, as he should
- Humans were overbearing this time 'round
- Decepticon attack on Chicago was nicely done, just like what they would really do.
Overall better than ROTF, but not as good as the original TF movie
I absolutely loved this movie and am glad I'm seeing it again in only 4 days time! :D:D:D
I'm saddened, only because this is both the end of the TF Movies but also as it's the end of an era. :(
I only have 1 gripe with the film...
Bumblebee's face should've been an energon dripping exit-wound! :mad:
Bumblebee didn't deserve the honour of smiting Soundwave, that is an honour best befitting Ratchet - He should've ended his feud with Barricade! :mad::mad::mad:
Apart from that... :rolleyes::p
This film was so full of awesome-sauce it's ridiculous - From the opening scenes of Cybertron, to Leonard Nimoy's Sentinel Prime being as warped as Galvatron, to Optimus' lust for dismemberment, to Carly's Rear-End! :D:cool:
This movie is the best out of the 3 and caps off the best Trilogy of movies since '00. ;):cool::D
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Thank you Michael Bay, and the entirety of your teams over the past 6-7 years, for all that you've done for these movies and for this franchise, not since the 80's have we enjoyed such lofty highs and exposure but also, never have we had such awesome entertainment - You'll be missed by most mate. ;):)
Did Shockwave actually transform to his tank in the movie?
Why is Bumblebee always dirty and scratched in robot mode but all shiny and new in Camaro mode?
Why was Sentinal already a firetruck when on the moon?
Where was Barricade?
Did Ratchet say a word?
Why is the artist who designed Wheeljack/Q`s head such a retard?:p
Why was there no person in the drivers seat of Sideswipe when driving?
What did Brains transform into?
Why did Laserbeak talk? Didnt he such screech in G1?
No
Product placement
He wasn't
Same place where Jolt is now.
Yes
I don't know
... because he's a robot
A laptop
He had a few lines of dialogue at some point
Q1. In the group with Soundwave that had captured Bumblebee and friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decepticon
Q2. For plot development. He probably had the most speech in one movie than all the Decepticons combined had in the other 2.
On my second viewing, I found myself really enjoying it. I still think the building sequece was too long, but that was about the only annoyance the second time (aside from Bay-cliches).
Part of the enjoyment could have come from the person sitting next to me. She's a lady from work and she got into the Transformers Movies from #1, so I convinced her to join our group viewing and she really got into the movie. Her face at Sentinel's actions, Bumblebee's possible demise and When Optimus got his arm ripped off were absolute GOLD! Genuine worry. Aaaaah Yeh. :D
I could happily see it again I think without getting grumpy or cringeing.
OK, I've seen the film twice now - once in 2D and then at IMAX. I don't know if I wasn't paying much attention the first time around (maybe I was too busy drooling over a certain new female character), but after the second viewing I have made my mind up. This IS the best Transformers movie to date!
I agree with 99% of Hursti's review of it; the one percent is because I have no gripes whatsoever. This was entertaining from start to finish. There was no boredom, there were no thoughts of 'Michael Bay you have ruined my childhood', there was nothing but sheer enjoyment for the entire 2 and a half hours.
Tomorrow I will be watching it again in 3D however on a smaller screen and I can't wait. I'm just as excited as I was when I went for the first time.
If this is the end of the line for the movies (which I doubt because money has a tendancy to talk in Hollywood), I would be more than satisfied with how it all ended. Highly recommended to all (and this is coming from a geewon fanboy).
I forgot to ask Gok what he thought of movieverse Time Warrior?:p
I liked it, but didn't at the same time. The robots were there but it didn't feel like they were really in it. Can't explain.
I'm still tossing up between this and ROTF being the better one.
Laserbeak was awesome but Soundwave needed more screen time along with shockwave.
Can't believe Soundwave died at the hand of Bumblebee. I sat there saying 'do it, do it, do it' when he nearly copped it then BLAMMO no more Soundwave. How the hell did that happen?
Carley was much better then..the other one. Don't mind some perv shots though I can't really appreciate them anymore.
Simmons was still a retard and they could have cut the parts with the parents. It fit in the other movies but was forced this time around.
Megatron was just pathetic and Starscream was a rabid animal.Overall it was worth it but 3rd time around and it still doesn't feel like transformers.
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Originally Posted by Decepticon
Jolt was killed by Shockwave (re: Rising Storm).Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark
I think he did, because I remember some close up shot when Ratchet was speaking, and I noticed that the DotM Ratchet model actually has the new colours from the DotM toy -- which prompted to buy the toy yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Decepticon
I dunno, but the comics have tried to explain it. Basically he used to look like this until he was nearly killed by Shockwave. Ratchet said that although he could rebuild Wheeljack that he wouldn't be "quite the same."Quote:
Originally Posted by Decepticon
Yeah, I noticed that. <shrug> Maybe cos he wasn't driving in a heavily populated area? I don't know...Quote:
Originally Posted by Decepticon
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Originally Posted by Decepticon
Laserbeak did speak briefly in very early G1, but he soon stopped and just squawked for most of his appearances. Besides, this isn't G1. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark
More like Meantime! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
I just read #1 of the comic adaptation of DotM and Shockwave is portrayed as being more like his G1 self. I suspect that the comic script may be based on an earlier version of the movie script... if so, then I wonder why they decided to change him and severely dumb-down the character. :confused:
My thoughts are 'Wow, I want more' because I loved it. I fully agree with Hursticon that this movie is full of awesome. Action, humour, characters.
This movie delivered alot and without a doubt is the best out of all. I love the homage to G1 episodes, and how this was darker and more doomsday. Of course I'm upset Wave got killed by Bee, but more battle scenes and the twist with Sentinel more than made up for this.
My thoughts on characters:
Soundwave & Laserbeak was nice homage, and were the perfect loyal spies.(really makes me want to see a leader soundwave for obvious size class combination of toys).
Megatron true to his character came up with another plan and caved to his own greed (could have flicked her though).
Starscream cowered to megs like normal and was 'overshadowed by his stupidity' in the end.
Shockwave a stone-cold con, flying solo as he always has. Would have seen him perfectly fit into the plot as the one who commands the decepticons through the space bridge but still great to have him in the movie.
And I'm assuming Bumblebee was the one who got all the autobots caught towards the end lol.
I've noticed people complaining about human parts, but we must remember this is a movie for everyone, not just fans. I think it is an important component to the movie, I would like to think humans would have some contribution considering it is our planet. :D
Also the movie had a great story behind it. Whilst it may not link up with the book fully, does any book/movie. And also somewhat link with G1 episodes for us fans was great. The movieverse should not have to be placed in comparison with the cartoon, but should be an inspired evolution which this movie was.
You could easily follow up this movie, with Unicron coming because of cybertron wormhole, galvatron rising, ghost scream existing on the world wide web. My imagination is running away.. the magic of money always has a way of making a sequel.
But to close.... Very impressed- 99% because nothing is ever perfect :)
That would be so cool. Planet sized enemies have been done before eg Rise of the Silver Surfer, Green Lantern so it shouldn't be to hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by LambOfPrimus
I'd love to see the dinobots go up against Galvatron and Co
Just got back from seeing it for the first time, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Probably the best of the 3 movies.
I thought the storyline wasn't too bad for an action movie. No action movie plot stands up to sever scrutiny, especially one with giant mechanoid aliens from outer space with a transdimensional space bridge capable of transporting an entire planet. I think some people are looking for a little too much. (And physics defying action scenes? C'mon. Try physics defying of the sudden appearence of a gravity well larger than our own inside the orbit of the moon!)
Personally I don't give a ... about character development. If I want that I'll watch an Oscar winning drama movie. I just want cool visual appealing actions scenes, and transformers doing things (don't even care what) on screen. (Are my expectations of these movies too low? Perhaps).
Some good points:
nice references to the TF universe (Wreckers, Ark, etc)
some good cameos (I had to tell my son that was the real Buzz!)
good comedic moments especially Wheelie/Brains combo (and the "clusterf..." line)
the slo-mo transformation and action sequences - they gave you a bit more time to fully appreciate exactly what was going on and absorb the awesome visuals.
Rosie Huntington-Whitney.
Hermity-Megs was cool, and I would have liked a little more time spent on him (what the hell was he doing in Africa with all those hatchlings? And who is looking after them now?).
BBee is badass and still the best of the Autobots (SSwipe a close 2nd)
Very brutal TFvsTF fight scenes, and TF killing humans scenes
Some of the bad:
Shockwave was fully lame.
Bay perhaps tried to cram a bit too much into this movie (its almost exhausting to watch)
too much humans running around wrecked city streets, and the breaking building scene went on way too long.
Q was crap
Laserbeak could transform into too many things (this just didn't sit right with me)
Anyways, I really liked it and can't wait to go see it again.
(Still not going to buy any DOTM toys though).
i liked the movie!
although reading many spoilers & viewing most trailers :p there where still enough suprises!
i will see it again! i am happy the movie is finally out! :)
Saw it last night. It's official, the first movie was a fluke.
My wife and I watched this last night. Really enjoyed it.
She was sad that Iron Hide died, as Iron Hide was and is still her favourite TF character (since when she was 9). I said that ... well ... you have to have a kinda important character die for there to be some emotional impact (at least, that's what I thought).
Also, did anyone think that the storyline bears similarities to the G1 episode "The Ultimate Doom" ?
I'm still not sure if I want to see this, especially after the atrocity that is ROTF.
Could we consider Cybertron destoyed from the ending of this move? After the command pillar was destroyed and the bridge stopped working, cybertron went into a sot of whillpool look and seemed to crumble away.
If thats the case, then surely the next movie will look like Galaxy Force!!!!:D