Noooooooooo :) the horroror!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Does this mean that since there is precedent that there's a good chance that Prowl will remain part of the highway patorol?
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Noooooooooo :) the horroror!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Does this mean that since there is precedent that there's a good chance that Prowl will remain part of the highway patorol?
There should be an e-hobby version based on the G1 'movie' Barricade that Guido Guidi did (G1 Prowl with movieverse Barricade deco).
Can't think of what else (apart from obvious candidates) it could be redone as so I dunno.
This would be utterly & amazingly awesome if it were to be realised! - I'd grab one in a heartbeat! :D:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ploughmans Lunch
...I wouldn't. G1 Barricade was an F1 racer, not a police car. I'm not fond of most G1 toys redecoed in their movie colours or movie toys redecoed in G1 colours (the only exception was Protect Ironhide, but that was cos it was also his Diaclone colours - Emergency Ratchet looks stoopid :rolleyes:). G1 coloured Movie Jazz looks okay, but not great IMO (and certainly not worth the fifty buck price tag TRU chucked on it)
MP Prowl in G1 Barricade colours? Might work as a ltd exclusive -- I reckon people would by it just cos it'd look so awful! (hey, it worked for BotCon Thundercracker, didn't it? :p)
who wouldn't?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
I don't think you're quite getting the picture Goki:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...psb3b64838.jpg
Won't somebody think of thechildren^continuity! :eek: Officially making G1 Barricade as a police car repaint of Prowl could potentially contradict G1 canon! Unless the tech spec somehow explained how Barricade changed from being a Micromaster F1 racer to becoming a police car. Two G1 Decepticons called Barricade?!? Pah! That's as preposterous as say, having 2 completely unrelated Transformers in the G1 Continuity Family called Crosscut, Barrage, Sky High, Lightspeed or Eagle Eye!! :p :p :p :p :p
...I do like how Guidi gave that Barricade a distinctive head/face. :)
So disregarding G1's infallible cannon & any possible repercussions it could incur :p:D; would you consider purchasing an MP Prowl mold repaint/retool, reflective of the above artwork? ;):cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
If I like the MP Prowl mould enough, and the price was right, then sure why not. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
fixed. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Plastic tyres again!!! No sale.:mad:
That's being a bit precious dont you think?Quote:
Originally Posted by sideswipes brother
Excellent! - I just think it's a really excellent reuse of a character model that swaps allegiances quite effectively. ;):)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
LOL :p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
Really man? - You'd miss out on what looks to be an excellent figure & interpretation of a character, based solely on the composition of its tyres? :o:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by sideswipes brother
To be honest plastic tyres (and size) is the reason why I did not jump all over the Takara MP Lambor. However lessons were learnt on my part and I have put in a preorder for Prowl and Streak. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
My experience with MP Lambor has made me a bit wary of MP Autobot Cars now... I sincerely hope that they will be a lot better though... I'll decide after I get them. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
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Originally Posted by Trent
While the composition the tyres don't personally bother me so much, I can understand why some people might be put off by them, especially given the rather hefty price tag of Prowl and Streak. They're almost the same price as Binaltechs, but BTs have rubber tyres, die-cast metal and arguably more impressive engineering as highly detailed scale miniature cars. BTs packed amazing amounts of value for what you paid... whereas I find MP Lambor was only just worth the preorder discount price, and not even worth full RRP. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Yeah, but I'm still not sure if I'd like it as much as a proper G1 accurate Barricade though. Because to me, the Masterpiece line is meant to be about recreating the original versions of G1 characters, and using modern engineering to 'update' them at a high end level, and also make them look more like their cartoon model. Now of course, Barricade didn't appear in the cartoon, but they could make an MP Barricade more accurate to his card/tech specs art. :) I personally would rather see MPs redecoed as stuff that already exists in G1 canon over giving preference to 'fanon'. :o JMHO. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
We're also talking about 2 totally different economical periods though and, IMO, the BTs/Alternators might've had Die-cast & Rubber but also had noticeably poorer engineering and articulation. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
The BTs/Alternators always struck me as a line of accurate scale model cars that just happened to transform into robots; conversely the current iteration of the MP line is clearly aiming for an accurate composite of both show & toy character models, along with Fun & Manageable transformations - they're streamlined, articulate & lively figures in comparison. ;):)
So yeah, my point wasn't aiming to question people's willingness to pay the price for the MP figures but rather how a singular minute facet of a figure (Such as tyre composition) could deter someone entirely, especially in the face of everything else that the figure does so right/well. :cool:
So you would say that these feelings extended to both Tigertracks & Acid Storm then? :)Quote:
Yeah, but I'm still not sure if I'd like it as much as a proper G1 accurate Barricade though. Because to me, the Masterpiece line is meant to be about recreating the original versions of G1 characters, and using modern engineering to 'update' them at a high end level, and also make them look more like their cartoon model. Now of course, Barricade didn't appear in the cartoon, but they could make an MP Barricade more accurate to his card/tech specs art. :) I personally would rather see MPs redecoed as stuff that already exists in G1 canon over giving preference to 'fanon'. :o JMHO. :)
See now Size is something I can accept a little easier, as it's something that I know that can really lead someone to question the validity of the toy's overall worth - It's a more outstanding facet IMO. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lint
(Baring in mind too prior research to the purchase of the figure, not saying you didn't but it's a factor I feel can be overlooked ;):))
Sure, both BTs and MPs are aiming at achieving different outcomes, but I find BTs to be better engineered. Let's compare BT and MP Lambor... BT Lambor is just as articulated as MP Lambor and he's bigger and bulkier too. BT Lambor's robot mode is also better constructed as he doesn't suffer from significant flaws like MP Lambor's shoulders being incapable of firmly locking into place... BT Lambor doesn't have parts popping out during play, and he can swing his legs forward without flashing his crotch at you. ;) The incorporation of the engine as the gun was clever, whereas MP Lambor's weapons really aren't incorporated into the vehicle mode. BT Lambor's vehicle mode is a near-perfect scale replica of a Dodge Viper... reflective wing mirrors, rack and pin steering, highly detailed interior with air con vents, steering wheel, gear stick, park brake, glovebox panel, airbag panels, door details, odometers/dashboard displays etc. Then you can flip up the bonnet and see the engine detail, and the boot opens too. MP Lambor's vehicle mode offers no more play value than G1 Sideswipe... only bigger. One might even argue that G1 Sideswipe's vehicle offers better features since it has rubber tyres, die cast metal parts, clear windows and a (Diaclone) driver's seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Now of course, to be fair to MP Lambor, it is true that aside from the different design objective, it also had a greater design challenge. BTs are designed to be toys in their own right with a distinguishable likeness to the G1 characters, but they weren't attempting to accurately mimic/imitate the G1 character's entire likeness - and worse still, their Floro Dery-based cartoon likeness... whose simplified designs make it an even greater design challenge. So in order to mimic all the "cheats" that the cartoon models do, the robot parts have to go somewhere in vehicle mode, and there's no where else to go but inside the vehicle. This makes it impractical (impossible) to give it a highly detailed interior like a BT, and giving it clear windows might have made it look unsightly. I don't dislike MP Lambor per se, but he is my least liked MP. I would actually like this toy a whole lot more if it weren't for the problem with the shoulders. :o
I intentionally skipped Universe Tankor because I couldn't stand the name. I later got Henkei Octane instead. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
No, but these characters already exist in the G1 Continuity Family, and their colours harken back to stuff from the 80s -- Tigertrack is a reissue of Sideswipe in one of his Diaclone colours, and Acid Storm is based on a character who appeared in Season 1 of the G1 cartoon. They're not necessarily stuff that fans just pulled out of thin air. As I said on another thread, I wouldn't mind seeing MP Lambor being redecoed as MP Deep Cover and Clampdown, and I'd love to see an MP "Blizzard Storm." :) But I've never been massively fond of G1 characters repainted in movie colours*, nor movie characters redecoed in G1 colours**. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
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*Except for Ironhide, but it's really because they happen to be his Diaclone colours.
**Except for G1 coloured movieverse "Rescue" Ratchet, but also because we do actually see the same kind of emergency vehicle in the first movie in that colour scheme (it's the scene where Lennox and his men have just returned to the U.S. and disembark from their plane, if you look in the background there's a G1 Ratchet coloured movie-Ratchet vehicle).
@Gok
I don't own BT Lambor, but looking at the google images... he looks crap, in robot mode. the car looks amazing but when transformed i want to throw it in the bin. the ugly panels all over behind him, those huge wheels on his shoulders and the front windscreen over his crotch... this is not aesthetically pleasing.
i actually play with MP Lambor more than Soundwave. he's smaller and is very easy to transform back and forth and i see what you have pointed out about his shoulders, but the ones on mine are quite tight and i don't have a problem manipulating his forearms into desired poses without the popping out issue.
I would point it out as a manufacturing defect as we know Laserbeak has huge issues with the tail fins.
honestly the only thing I fault MP Lambor is the wheels and lack of jetpack.
Here's a good review of BT Lambor. :)
The diecast alone tends to make the BT's seem more worth the price, but as toys (elegance of transform and play) i think MP Lambor has it beat.
The Viper mould (fantastic as a car of course) is probably one of the least impressive of the BT robots - his beer gut is pretty ugly and proportionally looks all wrong cause of the tyres on his shoulders.
Surely the BT's feet and knees give you more trouble than MP Lambor's shoulders?! And are you seriously risking the beautiful diecast during play? Maybe the Alternator version.... :)
Nope. BT Lambor's feet and knees don't dislocate or pop out when I play with the toy. As dirge's review states, the rear panels give sufficient clearance for the legs to move about without being impeded. So nobody else has experienced MP Lambor's shoulders dislocating during play? I don't mean 'careful posing while fiddling,' I mean proper toy play where you're making MP Lambor do full on fast action fight moves etc. (e.g. punching, arm swings etc.) ... if I pose the toy slowly and carefully, it stays in place, but when I play with the toy at full speed, it dislocates.Quote:
Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat
I'm not saying that the shoulders don't lock in - they do, but I find the locking to be inadequate. It's only sufficient to hold it in place for careful posing, but not enough for actual proper playing. For that reason I find MP Lambor to be my least liked MP (I don't hate it but), and I find BT Lambor offers superior play value. I've experienced this with my MP Lambor and someone else's MP Lambor too.
Only the paint apps on BT Smokescreen is highly susceptible to chipping. Takara improved their paint quality after Smokescreen and subsequent BTs have had more resilient paints that don't chip so easily. I once dropped BT Dead End on the footpath (I was playing with it while walking from Central Station)... no chipping. :) I didn't see the need to purchase an Alternator when I could get a BT for about the same price (Alternators retailed here for about the same price as BTs). The only exception was Wheeljack, cos I wanted to repaint Alt Wheeljack as Alt Slicer... but that never happened and I ended up selling my Alt Wheeljack. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat
Regarding the BT's feet, i guess i meant how finicky he is to even stand up. You play on the carpet right? I imagine he spends most of his time playing dead :P
Agree to disagree!
Gok you are probably the only (employed) adult collector that actually smashes your toys in to each other and makes them do karate. This is a compliment, not an insult.
Most people aren't going to notice as many bits popping out as they will be a bit less rigorous.
Remember that when you play with a toy, it's "in motion," it's not the same as posing a toy for say taking action shots where the toy needs to stand balanced. When you play with at toy, it's being supported by your hands anyway, so you can pose them in whatever position you want. ;) I often have toys lying around when I'm not playing with them... it doesn't matter what the toy is doing when it's not "in play" (like an actor for a play being off stage). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat
I don't physically smash them together. I'm more likeQuote:
Originally Posted by llamatron
Andy from Toy Story[1]^Dark Helmet from Spaceballs[2] (only without the rigorous physical contact :p). ;) I've never smashed my toys, not even as a kid (hence most of my childhood G1 collection survived relatively unscathed... those that are broken were mostly broken by other children! :mad:)
That's fine, however as I said on the Do You Play w/ your TFs thread, I'm more appreciative of the opinions of collectors who are able to examine the play value of a toy - irrespective as to whether or not they are active players or not. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by llamatron
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[1]What I think I do
[2]What I actually do :p :p
That's fair enough - just from a design perspective the MPs won't be made to withstand as much punishment as, say, a RescueBot Hero (or whatever they're called).
Some more images released, focussing on their weapons.
Great to see Prowl has rejoined the highway patrol :) Not convinced on the whole attach the rifle to the car roof thing though.
Looks like they wanted to give Prowl a form of "attack mode". It does make it consistent with MP Lambor and Alert who also have the same feature. I don't mind it -- judging from this image of the vehicle mode without the weapon, it doesn't seem like the gimmick affects the look of the vehicle mode. So if you really don't like it, just don't attach it. :) There doesn't appear to be any unsightly ports or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultra Mackness
I like it as a method of being able to have all the parts attached in both modes. Makes it harder to lose ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
they look so good - i can't wait to play with them.
Another image posted of MP Prowl, next to MP Sideswipe and a couple Human Alliance figures, for scale.
These are divine. Come into my life already.
Also, Amazon versions now come one beefier shoulder cannon each. "so fans will need both if they want to display one or the other with a pair."
I just saw this and the 30+ year old inside threw a massive tantrum! The shoulder launchers were one of the defining characteristics of the original toys. While I'm happy to be getting these MPs (Prowl especially!) having these beefier launchers released only as an Amazon exclusive and then only one per toy just doesn't seem right.
i'm sure some 3rd party (most likely dr wu) will make them. and thats fine by me as i didn't like the hollow amazon piledrivers that came with sideswipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultra Mackness
but these g1 shoulder launchers do look nice...
I agree. If they were going for cartoon accuracy, two launchers, toy accuracy, two launchers, not drain pipes. I wouldve even preferred the launchers like the ones on the classics mold. In prowl's case i wouldnt have minded so much as we never saw him in the cartoon with them equipped. I can understand little knick-knacks that we've seen them use in the show for 1/2 a second as an 'exclusive' but not something that eas an integral part of both the the toy and show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultra Mackness
At least it was only Bluestreak that had those anime-accurate shoulder cannons, but unfortunately that means buying Prowl to complete the pair... or having a trading topic for people who only bought Prowl to be able to sell off theirs to people who only bought Bluestreak.
It's a good incentive to encourage people to buy the pair though (from Amazon.jp and from Hasbro HK).
They're obviously going for cartoon-likeness, and as griffin pointed out, that's how the missile launchers on Bluestreak looked like in the cartoon (and comics) -- they were pipes! Prowl was drawn without shoulder mounted launchers in the cartoon and comics anyway, so if you want show-likeness with him, you'd just retract them. That's how I display my Henkei Prowl and Streak. ;) It's not TakaraTOMY's fault that they look like that... that's how Floro Dery designed them! ;)
As far as I can tell, allowing for animation variances and such, cartoon Bluestreak's shoulder cannon/launchers look like pretty much like the flip out ones already in the mould. The Amazon ones do look quite nice but having already placed preorders, I don't think it's worth the trouble of changing. Quite a clever move on Amazon's part, giving a single launcher with each figure, though I can understand why it might frustrate some people.
I think it's likely that these launchers will see a separate release, like MP-12's chisels, for people who missed out or want more and I'd be very surprised if a third party doesn't offer some replicas once the figures are released. I might jump on board if this happens but I'll be perfectly happy even if it doesn't. :)
It seems kinda cheap is all. Doesn't really bother me since I'm only after Prowl, but still.
Will probably just sell/trade the bonus launcher on if they stick with just the one.