They needed to give him a personality.Quote:
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They needed to give him a personality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythirax
THIS!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinto
YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
My own thoughts:
Worst GM, Zeiss, Budweiser, Beats, Audi, Victoria's Secret commercial ever!
What a steaming pile of horse manure.
The first two transformations were offscreen! Then that stupid particle effect!! It's "Transformers" FFS!!!
The only redeeming feature of the movie was Lockdown.
I missed all of the dialog when he was putting Prime in the cage though. Creators want you back or something or other. Worth repeating? Or just more vapid, banal rubbish?
Im like loving and hating the movies at the same time. I go to see the movie for one Thing,Transformers, nothing else. Maybe thats why people keep going back to see the next one. The carrot for this one was the dinobots, but they come in to late. If it wasn't for Lockdown, the movie would of been shallow. His character is what really made this movie for me. So if they change the director and they should in my opinion, somethings should be different, but the essence of Transformers is what keeps people coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythirax
Thought the story line was ok....... Dinobots didn't appear till very late in the movie.
Movie was nearly 3 hours though.
I liked it, although there are alot of gaps in the movement of the characters in the film and plot lines.
Correct in talking about the rally car not having a driver. Also during the rescan sequences there was no one in the cars/trucks. When BB rescanned and a profile shot of his new mode was shown there was nothing in the car. Next shot was BF and GF sitting in the drivers seat.
Lockdown was superb and WTF with the sudden jet boots on Optimus?
So glad they killed of the clown in the first part of the movie. I don't think i could have put up with his silliness.
I'm really looking forward to a heritage story of the TF in the next film to explain the makers wanting Prime back etc.
^tru dat. :) He felt like a Ryan Reynolds wannabe, but really not quite succeeding. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Caffinetron
I hope it ties back to this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Caffinetron
Before time began, there was the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That is how our race was born.
...and the fanboy in me also hopes that it won't conflict with the concept of multiversal singularities (i.e. utterly ruling out Primus etc.). Though when I take off my fanboy goggles, I couldn't give a pig's bum about multiversal singularities. :p
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I agree with most of the points here, the only 2 I would dispute would be:
* Optimus Prime saved Tess because her father had saved him and he felt obliged to save his new human friend's daughter. It would be out of character for Optimus Prime to allow an innocent civilian to be killed, no matter how annoying she may be.
* The alien gun is not necessarily Cybertronian. Lockdown's ship had alien captives from other alien species as part of his collection. He would have also collected their weaponry too, so it stands to reason that the alien sword-gun that Cade used was from a human-sized alien. Or possibly from a human-sized Transformer, as not ALL Transformers are gigantic. Frenzy, Reedman and Alice were human sized, while Wheelie, Brains, Ejector and various other appliance-bots were smaller than human sized. So it could possibly be the weapon of a smaller Transformer. Either way, I don't think it's implausible enough to warrant as a flaw in the movie.
Well that was 3 hours I'm never going to get back... :p
The pacing was terrible. The first half was so slow I was checking my watch to see how long I had been sitting there... while the last half had patches that were too fast or rushed in linking action sequences.
Like having Optimus "taming" Grimlock - it was hardly necessary since they were both captives and fellow Knights, and Optimus was able to defeat Grimlock really easily.
Watching Ratchet die was difficult, as he's a doctor, not a soldier... so the same plot element of an early Autobot death could have been achieved with the death of a Wrecker, and just have Ratchet noted as being terminated before the movie.
The acting was as poor as ever, with token female running scared... then acting brave when necessary.
But worst of all (to me) is the morphing of cubes is wrong on so many levels... and ruins the classic definition of transforming. (although technically, it is still a definition of "transforming", in that a change of form doesn't follow just one method... I'm just a traditionalist when it comes to Transformers :p)
Probably the only highlight is the inclusion of Megatron, even if it only felt like it was just setting up his role in the next movie.
Mixed feelings. Part of me thinks it was good, most of me realises it was pretty terrible. That said I went when quite ill (I'd organised the tickets so had to be there to pick them up) so it might have coloured my opinion of it.
To summarise before getting into the pros and cons it felt like about two or three movies in one. It should either have done Lockdown bounty hunting Autobots, or Megatron resurrected and the hunt for the McGuffin (Seed).
Pros
+ Lockdown: Head, shoulders and torso above everything else as my favourite thing from this entire series of movies. Odd, because I don't particularly like Boba Fett, but I love what I'm dubbing Robo-Fett. Transforming alien bounty hunter with gunface/integrated Boba Fett helmet whose alt mode is a gunmetal grey Lamborghini? I am ALL over that. I also like that they didn't do what they inevitably do with neutral characters and make him Decepticon aligned or sympathetic. Really really really hope we get a good larger figure of this (are they still doing Human Alliance stuff? That was just about the only size point worth anything in DotM). It was a shame he had to go :(
+ More Transformers character time: I also liked how Bay is cottoning on to the fact that the Transformers should all be characters to. While in certain cases (e.g. Drift - more on that below) the execution was lacking, it was good that you got a solid feel for each of the robot characters.
+ The 'Vehicons' (is that what we're going with?): I didn't actually mind them - the fact that they were all red or white compared to the blue/green/yellow of the protagonists really brought a sense of visual order to the fight scenes. I sort of enjoyed the alternate transformation - granted it was a bit over the top at times with the molecules snaking through the air for ages, but conceptually I wasn't against it.
+ (Relative) lack of crass humour: There's nothing wrong with crass humour, but Bay doesn't do it all well so I was glad that it was mostly absent.
Cons
- Length: About an hour too long. So much filler. Most of the first half of the film, most of what happened on Lockdown's ship, them pointlessly infiltrating the KSI base in America, a bundle of stuff during the Stanley Tucci running with the bomb part of the film.
- Characters: Marky Mark was a caricature of the 'creepily overprotective dad' trope. Tessa was the misogynist cluster**** that most Michael Bay female characters turn out to be. The boyfriend was one dimensional and annoying. I thought Kelsey Grammar was suitably menacing if a bit one note. Stanley Tucci was about the only likeable one but even then he was quite inconsistent - I liked his turn as the remorseful inventor (I actually enjoyed Wahlberg's "you're just like me, an inventor" speech) but during the chase with the seed/bomb he went from that right into zany action-comedy sidekick and comic relief territory. No consistency.
- Drift: Anyone else feel this was verging on/crossing into/firmly racist? Again, on a conceptual level I loved that the Transformers got heaps more screen time but I was getting to the point of cringing with Drift. Did love the "I was expecting a large car" line.
- The plot: All over the place. The film tried to shoehorn too many stories in which led to the different subplots tripping over each other. Allow me to go into some things that I hated about the plot in no particular order.
> Dinobots: Loved their design but the way that they were introduced was (probably) literally the laziest writing I've seen in any film. The escape pod section of the ship just happened to contain the prison, which just happened to contain some Transformer knights, who just happen to be able to save the day, but this isn't mentioned in any way until they're needed to save the day? Ugh.
> Final battle was tonally confusing: Do either a) battle over the McGuffin like the other films or b) the Lockdown/Prime bounty thing. As it was both felt underdone. The Seed half of it just fizzled out with the Dinobots transforming into giant robot knights and posing for a fight on the bridge, with the rest of it being resolved off screen because it was time to wrap up the Lockdown subplot. Terrible.
> Galvatron: Horribly underdone. Again, either do Lockdown's bounty hunting crusade or the resurrected leader of the Decepticons playing the humans to build him a new body. That Lockdown was such a refreshing character for this series basically carried his subplot, but the whole Galvatron thing didn't have nearly enough gravitas associated with it for what it was i.e. the return of the most badass alien warlord in the galaxy. Everyone was just sort of like 'yeah, alright'. There was no "OH SHI-" moment. Also he might as well as have ended the film saying "see you in the sequel".
> Stop teasing an origin story without explaining in any way how it is related: Theoretically the inevitable Transformers 5 should give colour and context to this, but it began to drag in this one.
> Why can Optimus Prime now fly? At what point did he get this ability?
> Why didn't they give the bomb that they were trying to get out of the centre of a busy city to any of the apparently three Autobots who could fly? (Strafe, Drift, Optimus Prime) (I did get perverse enjoyment out of Drift, whose alt modes are the fastest production car ever made and a freaking helicopter, telling Tucci and friends to take the Seed to the edge of the city in an old slow jeep)
Random observations/questions
1. Is everyone else dead now? (I refer to Dino, Sideswipe, Roadbuster, the Twins etc)
2. How long has Optimus Prime had jet boots? What is the point of protoform modes if he can just Iron Man it through space?
3. I enjoy (perversely) the increasingly ridiculous lengths that the writers go to try and negative the ultimately fairly valid point that none of this bad stuff would be happening if the Autobots hadn't come here/would bugger off now. I'm going to for my own amusement assume that one hill over from where the Seed bombs were being dropped was where the Fallen was busy setting up his Sun Harvester, and that was just down the road from where Megatron crashed while chasing the All-Spark.
Overall I'm honestly not sure if it was that much of a better effort than anything else in the series. It was definitely different, that's for sure.
I got to admit, I know the new Transformer Movies aren't every ones up of tea. But boy does it shock me the amount of people that really seem to not like them :o
Most of the people who don't like them are Transformers fans. The average movie-goer I speak to did like them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythirax
I for one enjoyed it, and so did my missus.
I guess you're probably right. Great to hear you liked it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
Always makes me laugh when I look at a site like Rotten Tomato's with a movie like this. It's amazing to see how different the critics and user reviews score it.
Oh geeze 16% on Rotten tomatoes. I usually find RT is on the money. X-men DOFP was a WAYYYY better film than this was. Good effects, good characters good pacing etc
By this poll's results it's only 1 in 5 who really didn't like it. Not that big a number. There were things I disliked about the movie and most of then are "could have done better" things. Overall I've been thinking about the movie a lot since I saw it and there's plenty to discuss. Once Americans start seeing the film check those boards and you'll probably find more vocal love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythirax
For example of a could have done better. The morphing cubes. Something TF technology can't do, but humans can produce? Unlikely. But it would have made sense that Lockdown and his crew, travelling all over the galaxy, had that ability instead. Keep the effect in the film (if you must) but give it to the characters most likely to have it.
You know what human-built Transformers should have looked like? Diaclone. Imagine if in the 30th anniversary of Transformers we saw a movie with transforming robots that were a bit blocky, had visible seems and looked like the toys that started this all. Have hundreds of these mass produced robots so overwhelming numbers make up for disadvantages in speed and mobility. Give some Diaclone designers a cameo in the lab. And then have Lockdowns morphin crew as the additional threat.
Yeah I was talking to a couple of guys in the office this morning, they saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it too. (Like me and my missus).Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
The fandom do nit pick every little thing. The general population/media poke fun at star wars/trek 'geeks' and with transformers more mainstream since the bay movies I am worried the fandom will simply cause all transformer fans to be labeled in a similar way.
At the end of the day, I could not give a crap whether the reviews are good or bad. I enjoyed it and that is pretty much all the matters. I felt it was more of a ROTF clone and I actually loved ROTF! :) I don't really have a need to be critical of the plot, actors etc. Like my other 3 TF movies I own on BluRay, I will be watching this a lot more than any of the Avengers, Star Trek, Xmen ones I own........cos I'm a Transformers fan and enjoy them a lot.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
Watched it last night in Gold Class with the wife, very enjoyable from the start, and feel sad for ratchet, questions unanswered, prime is invincible, get shots twice in the chest, stab in the chest and still can recovery so quick. boyfriend and girlfriend is so lame, then start go getting bored, wife lost interest, sick of all those fireworks its all over the place, and the guys seat next to me is snoring. Not much of Dinobots action and they are weak as well. Lockdown is great in this. overall its ok its just too long.
For sure - I will be buying the DVD as well, hopefully there is a couple of extra scenes but I will skip bumblebee dancing. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Omega Metro
Bumblebee dancing wasn't even in the movie, very annoying:);)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
This was surprisingly watchable. Anything too offensive or idiotic was either not written in or edited out. Lockdown was a strong villain, and Crosshairs showed the beginnings of becoming a future 'big name' in Transformerdom. Clever/a good coincidence that there was a major Lockdown/Ratchet scene at the beginning for anyone familiar with certain other multiversal Lockdowns/Ratchets. I felt nostalgic looking at Prime as a flat-nosed cab. Movie universe Optimus Prime is dark though - I thought it was hilarious that he'd just massacred a bunch of humans at Marky Mark's house and then said he would make an exception to his usual non-human-killing policy by killing Frasier Crane. The lack of Witwickys was an improvement. I couldn't understand why Steve Jobs wanted Galvatron to look like Optimus Prime, and yet chose to call him "Galvatron". I think we can unanimously agree that Galvatron as an individual was a lame villain, although his IDW Scorponok masterplan worked well until the Dinobots came along. Visually, the Hong Kong scenes were beauteous. Compared to watching the previous film, this was an enjoyable three hours.
Didn't feel like 3 hours. More like 2 hours. But happy with 3 cos I get my moneys worth.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
Currently it's getting a 31% on Metacritic 15% on Rottentomatos.
If they cut out the humans, I bet it would be getting better reviews. I really feel it's the human parts that let it down.
Did anyone else feel like they'd just watched the last episode of The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie show?Quote:
Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark
OPTIMUS PRIME: I have to go now. My planet needs me.
Note: Optimus died on the way back to his home planet.
It's really hard for Transformers to kill humans in this universe. Despitr all the damage they did in Chicago the Decepticons only manage to kill 1300 humans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
I assumed those things he was wielding were his helicopter blades. I'd love to see e-HOBBY or Million Publishing rerelease G1 Springer in movie Drift colours (as they did for Ironhide, Ratchet, Skids, etc.) Likewise, I now want a G1 Crosshairs (and Pinpointer) in green.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I quite enjoyed this one. More than ROTF, but not as much as DOTM. For me the biggest grievence was the off-screen action, missing transformations, and jarring scene/sequence changes. There was a few times I thought that a couple of minutes of filmed had just been skipped ("did I suddenly just fall asleep and miss a bit?").
Another annoying bit was OP's ability to heal himself. One minute he's off-line/barely functional in a barn, the next he's tearing down a highway with a flashy new alt-mode.
Did not like the molecular morphing thing at all. Smelt of cop-out to me.
The action sequences, while not put together the best, were visually stunning (which is kinda the point of a big-budget, big-screen action movie).
I enjoyed having new human and non-human characters, but didn't really like Crosshairs or LuckyCharms (who was so one dimensional even the other characters couldn't remember his name). Lockdown and Hound were definite highlights (*rushes to Kmart for a Hound figure*). As was Rachet spark extraction (dont cry fanboys - his spark is intact). Glad Scorn made it to the screen too.
Clearly Galvatron was a setup for the next movie. And I chose to think that since he was manipulating the humans, he gave himself that name. (Awesome homage to TFA too, that bit). Although a 'sparkless' TF does not sit well with me.
There was sections that could have been removed (human drivel, rally car scene) in order to fill a bit of TF story (knights/dinobots, where the Autobots had been hiding, etc).
I could have sworn that when OP took the sword (freeing knights scene) that his form altered somewhat. I thought this was were the flight capability came from. (I might have to rewatch that bit...)
I enjoyed the movie (c'mon, TFs on the big screen!) and will watch it again. And again. Reveiws be damned. No more, or less flaws, than any other big action flick. Just perhaps not quite as well paced or edited as some.
3hrs and $11 well spent.
I watched the movie last night
1. Way too long, approximately 2.5 hrs long
2. Pretty much zero character development, story was really all over the place.
3. rehashed action scenes ala transform with humans inside and catch them in the air
4. Better than the last 2 movies
5. Did not like how the dinobots played out-
6. Mark Wahlberg made it more interesting- Thankfully they got rid of shia
7. Human casualty? I liked that.
8. I did not like transformium concept and how galvatron and stinger transform. Also how Galvatron has a mind without a spark.
Galvatron looks way ugly.
9. I think they had a mistake during where mark is showing footage from the drone inside drift (blue veyron car) yet you see him in robot mode in the same scene.
Did not explain how drift is a triple changer-as you never see him change into the Bugatti veyron
10. I liked lockdown, didn't like his face though.
Conclusion:
overall for me it was disappointing as a TF fan and movie goer. I wasn't expecting much and I was still disappointed.
Leaving it open with Galvatron and the creators concept means theres likely more movies coming.
I honestly hope they get rid of Michael Bay and do a proper reboot and start a fresh.
Just wished Drift was a Lexus LFA, that would have been perfect. I guess the next movie will be Robots Fighting in Space.
1300? Such an exact number for city wide destructionQuote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
The exact quote was something like "over/around/more than" but the "thirteen hundred" was a spit-take moment for me. Way too low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinnertwin
But maybe I misheard. Been waiting to see if anyone else comments on this (or when I see the movie again).
Chopper kibble is there.... Swords are the chopper blades, and when on his back are attached to the main rotor... Then in next shot you still see car wheels on legs and car badging on chest.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Lmao, I didn't even think of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
Yeah that bothered me when I heard it. If I was a 30 foot tall alien robot with bad ass weaponry I bet I could kill more humans than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
I think they should have destroyed more buildings than they did in DOTM also and then 5 years after the battle in AOE we should see Chicago still being rebuilt. I really think it should have been 9/11 scale destruction on a wide scale.
I found it pretty ironic that they made Drift transform into 2 vehicles that are incapable of drifting. The Bugatti's whole philosophy is grip and downforce.. and a helicopter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Raptormesh
All my problems with the movie have pretty much been covered by everyone else. When I watched it, I tried to put my fanboism aside, be open-minded and view it from the point of view of a general movie-goer. I think this was my downfall, because without the robot fighting eye-candy, there is no substance or structure.
Fair about about the Drift chopper blade swords. Never thought of it that way, but it makes sense when I think about it. Still... what about the rest of the helicopter? :confused:
I was hoping that Galvatron would be a whole new character (much like he was in some G1 sources (toy continuity, Ladybird books, Studio OX etc.) instead of a reincarnated Megatron, but to AoE's credit, they did pull it off better than I expected. But it does feel a bit silly that Megatron's has now died twice and been resurrected twice in the film franchise. :o
I really like how they've used Welker to voice him, and Welker is using the G1 Megatron voice. :D As for Welker v. Nimoy, at the time that they created Dark of the Moon, they wouldn't have known that they were going to introduce Galvatron into Age of Extinction. And also keep in mind that Nimoy only voiced Galvatron in TFTM, whereas it was Frank Welker who voiced Galvatron in the G1 TV series. The majority of G1 Galvatron's screen time was actually voiced by Welker. :)
There are some criticisms that some fans make towards the franchise which I think is unreasonable; and I'm talking about the "Ruined Forever!" criticisms which are based around "Because it's different from G1!". I don't buy into those criticisms, and I will defend the Bay movies against those who try to make such comments. For example, a few weeks ago I read a post from a guy heavily criticising Age of Extinction for having Optimus Prime ride Grimlock; claiming that "never in four million years would Grimlock ever let anyone ride him." I replied by posting this image. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
But I don't think that it's unreasonable for fans to expect basic standards of cinematic story-telling, because fundamentally that is what movies are meant to be... a story-telling medium. Ultimately it all boils down to the justification that an individual is offering behind why they think the movie is good or bad. e.g.
"I loved Age of Extinction because it was just a great ride of a popcorn action flick!"
"I hated Age of Extinction because the story was just rubbish."
^Two opposite opinions whose rationales I would personally agree with. :)
There's no such thing as a right or wrong opinion*, but rather on how that opinion is justified. ;) So far, the majority of opinions about Age of Extinction - both positive and negative - seem to have been well formed opinions. But IMO most fans, especially here on OTCA, tend to offer solid opinions. :cool:
^So true. A good movie should still tell an excellent story, regardless of the quality of its visual effects. Compare the Original Star Wars Trilogy with the Prequel Star Wars Trilogy; the Prequels have superior visual effects to the Original, yet a lot of fans would argue that the Original is the superior set of movies because they have more character-driven stories, while the Prequels are more caricaturised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirokaze
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*Unless the opinion is based on something that is factually incorrect, e.g. asserting that koalas are bears instead of marsupials etc.
Just finished watching it, it was all right in all honestly will the majority go see it twice in cinema , probarly not, will I own it on bluray no. Strong acting performances, good story line, awful dialogue at times , the flow of the movie for the first half of the movie dragged on sometimes,
Going to see it again Sunday night, can't wait to get to the last scene where Optimus blasts Fraiser.
Then I'll buy the blu-ray, and watch that scene again and again!
OMG SHOOT ME NOW>> actually too late i already watched it.
I understand that they have all been crap and this will be crap too, so i went in watching it as an action flick instead of a TF movie.
Bad CGI, Bad characters, super fast flashy fight scenes that you cant make sense of whats happening, story thinner than flat bread, movie tooooooo long, why is Galvatron a truck and Lockdown the gun that Galvatron should have been?
omg i hate it as a movie.
on the + ... the Dinobots were pretty awesome! and then they were told at the end to go do whatever they wanted on the land?? wtf
Galvatron is a truck because they were trying to copy optimus, this was mentioned in the movie.
Also, Megatron was a truck in the previous film, and Galvatron was based on/was Megatron.Quote:
Originally Posted by drahsrebu
I finally got to see it on Thursday, and I was not disappointed.
Absolute tripe.
Worst film of the franchise.
I thought ROTF was bad but this is spectacularly bad.
So yeah, pretty much what I expected! ;)
Lockdown/Ryan, Grammer and Tucci were good. Just looked like they were having fun. CGI and VFX top notch as always. Prime's redesign looks fantastic compared to the previous films.
Otherwise, rubbish with no substance and no direction. FAR too long, nothing of value happened to justify that length.
Got a good laugh out of Optimus rocketing into the sunset though. It was so over the top and out of place. :D