Finally saw it! So much fun, IMO it's better than part 7! Those X-Wing shots are absolutely stunning :eek:
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Finally saw it! So much fun, IMO it's better than part 7! Those X-Wing shots are absolutely stunning :eek:
They missed my fav fatality move - Vader using the force to slam a guy on to the ceiling and then slicing him in half as he slowly walks past!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Went to see it a second time. I have to buy the score next time I visit JB HI-FI.:)
Love my K2SO figure even more now having seen the film :D
Can't wait for the Hot Toys K-2SO - looks so good!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bumbleb33
So the stars aligned and the missus and I finally had a chance to head to the movies to see something other than Sing or Trolls... Rogue One! It has been mighty difficult ensuring there were no spoilers since it's release (I mean we all knew what was going to happen but the journey was the adventure) but it was well worth it. Loved it. Perfect ending imho. Oh and I am clearly not a true fan as I was totally like "where are all the Bothans?" and needed to Google the answer...
Considering how badly the Rebellion fleet was decimated in Rogue One, yet still not deserving a one-liner nor a sullen moment of silence in A New Hope, I have extremely high expectations for the Bothans. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Raider
A lot of people have criticised Vader's appearance in Rogue One as being needless. And while I was able to justify his assault on the Rebels, I initially felt that his appearance on Mustafar wasn't necessary as it doesn't really contribute to the plot - and this is true.
But I just realised that that scene does establish something else that contributes to A New Hope -- just how bitter his hatred towards Obi-Wan Kenobi had become. By living at the site where Obi-Wan nearly killed him, Vader is constantly reminded of his defeat which would continually fuel his obsession with wanting to kill Kenobi. Whether the Emperor chose for Vader to live there or if Vader himself chose to live there in order to further feed his own rage is not known, but the result is the same.
This explains why Vader is so keen to immediately hunt down and kill Obi-Wan when he felt his presence on the Death Star. And why there wasn't any kind of emotional reunion between the two characters - no argument, no sustained conversation... just Vader telling Obi-Wan how he's been itching to finish their fight that they had 20 freakin' years ago. :eek: And he didn't order any Stormtroopers to accompany him - it had to be one on one because this was such a personal fight for Vader.
Okay, Vader's interaction with Krennic wasn't really necessary, but it allowed the story to show us how Vader lives, which in turn helps to flesh out (no pun intended) Vader's character and motivations. And we know that the ending of Rogue One explains why Vader's so urinated with the Rebels at the beginning of A New Hope, because those Rebels (including Leia) are trolling Vader so hard!
"Where are the plans?"
"Plans? Dunno what you're talking about, dude. We're a diplomatic mission."
"Pig's bum! I was literally chasing you guys with the plans at your door just an hour ago!"
And the Mustafar scene also helps to further explain why Vader is so obsessed with Obi-Wan Kenobi two decades after their fight. We even see Grand Moff Tarkin in ANH basically tell Vader, "Seriously? Just let it go." - but Vader can't. Mental health practice tells us that the standard way of dealing with trauma is diversion therapy. It's not like in movies and TV shows where people are made to recall their traumatic events (that does happen if they have to testify as a key witness in court, but this is also why this kind of testament is really difficult for victims as it's causing them mental anguish and goes against the healing process; worse still when cases drag on and the witness needs to testify multiple times :(). As far as treating patients are concerned, treatment focuses on getting them to basically stop dwelling on unpleasant events and think about other more positive things. In other words, to get on with their lives. Aside from his suit being a permanent reminder of his greatest defeat, living in proximity to where it happened would possibly be an even bigger and constant reminder. Imagine if a victim of the Boston Marathon bombing who had to have limbs amputated were to live in a building just across the road from where the explosive had gone off. And they were socially isolated - no friends, no family... just looking out the window at the site of that horrible event every day. It would drive you insane... and this explains Vader's state of mind and yeah, his obsession with Obi-Wan must've been part of this insanity.
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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I really like this explanation of Vader's castle on Mustafar, however have not gone through the author's sources. As usual, spoiler alert, and watch at your own risk :)
Hatred and vengeance is important, but don't forget that Mustafar should be the last place Anakin sees Padme alive; after choking her, he gets beaten by Obi-Wan, and waking up he is told by Sidious that Padme didn't survive. Scene 231.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Using your analogy, I see it more like the perpetrator of the Boston Marathon living in close proximity to the site where the love of his life also perished (along with his limbs), when she should not have been there; and then later on runs into an old friend who brought her there (against his plans).
(Also, not-trying to romanticise the Boston Marathon Bombing from an alt POV here...)
At that stage, even killing Obi-Wan won't really give Vader closure.
maybe don't look at it from vader's view, but from krennic? he is desperate for this thing to work, he thinks it is his ride to advancement and he wants the emperors approval. instead of the emperor he is stuck with trying to impress tarkin and then gets summoned to see vader. so it could be as much about showing krennic never being able to get an audience with the emperor or that he has to keep going little bits of the way before he will be allowed the priveledge to see him?
Finally got around to seeing it yesterday as it was no longer playing at my nearest theatre, so I had to go to the nearest 16 cineplex... and it only had one session on each day so it was probably in its last week.
I guess being out for 2 months is a long time for movies now, with the distributors trying to break opening records and get everyone to see it in the first week. I just thought that a Star Wars movie would be out longer than this.
Now I can read this topic to see what others thought.
I think the movie fits in between Ep 3 and 4 well, leading straight into Ep 4... making me want to go watch it. But it is ultimately a sad movie.... and I guess it should have been obvious while watching it that all these new major characters had to die before the end of the movie, or else, where were they in Eps 4 to 6. That would make it harder to generate too many fans of those characters or sell as many toys.
I would have liked more involvement by pre-existing characters, but understand why it was difficult or impossible.
It was a little too slow for me during much of the first half, but it was the first time we got a good look at how vast and powerful the Empire really was. (We didn't really see any Imperial strongholds or occupied worlds in Eps 4 to 6 other than the two Death Stars and Tatooine).
Truth be told I didn't think everyone had to die at the end just to avoid any future conflict with Ep 4, 5 and 6. It's a big galaxy and they could've given any reason why all or part of Rogue One weren't around for the subsequent movies (ie captured, recuperating, doing another mission, etc.) But it makes for dramatic viewing and all that so on we go.
I hope Ezra and Kanan gets a good reason to explain why they weren't somewhere in the background with Hera.
i think you might be the only person complaining it was too slow in the first half! i think the consensus among critics was that it jumped around way too much. it is the first 'spin-off' star wars movie so having more pre-existing characters imo would have made it worse. i really liked the new characters and their journey, i think it would have detracted from it having too many of the old ones in there as they aren't the focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
they were sitting in the ghost ready for battle? you see the ship 3 times or something as well as hearing general syndulla called over the P/A and chopper rolling past too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuspectimusPrime
Things that didn't make sense (to me):
+ Star Destroyer colliding in to another whilst in battle formation.
+ Jyn Erso fitting into an Imperial Ground Crew's uniform. Did it belong to Gary Coleman.
+ Jyn Erso in an Imperial Ground Crew's uniform with the face visor up.
I think one important thing about Rogue One's sacrifice was that it inspired the rest of the Rebel Alliance to unite and finally become a force to be reckoned with. Rogue One showed us that the Rebels were divided; you had Mon Mothma and Saw Gerrera's rebels both fighting a common enemy and each other, which happens in real life. One historic example of this is the Battle of Thermopylae where a group of 300 Spartans, reinforced by 7000 other Greeks, made a noble stand against 300,000 Persians. The battle was a crushing defeat for the Greeks, with all 300 Spartans killed and about half of the non-Spartan Greeks surviving and retreating (which wasn't an option for the Spartans as they'd rather die in battle than return in defeat). At least Rogue One managed to steal the Death Star plans! :D But in both cases, their sacrifice proved to be a significant morale boost which helped to unify their respective factions. :)
No Bothans were sacrificed. :p
I wouldn't mind seeing that as another spin-off movie. :) But would audiences mind if the main protagonists were aliens? :confused: Alien diversity in Hollywood FTW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
I saw Chopper and heard General Syndulla called out, but missed seeing the ship. Just googled it! Though that still doesn't confirm if Ezra and Kanan are around.Quote:
Originally Posted by philby
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Originally Posted by Megatran
I expect that spinoff to make the Omaha Beach landing in Saving Private Ryan seem like a cakewalk. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Also, Mon Mothma must be present to witness the entire unmitigated experience. ;)
well the destroyer was disabled and then pushed by the corvette, they didn't just randomly collide. although that happens... :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbou...ager_collision
The puny size of the Hammerhead corvette to the Star Destroyer. W-T-F. And why were the Star Destroyers in so tight orbital formation?
You're probably thinking of Hammerhead Cruisers which are similar but capital ship sized. The Hamerhead Corvette is more akin to the Corellian Corvette / Blockade Runner which is what Princess Leia was using. And we know that ship is small enough to fit into the main Star Destroyer's docking bay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
Also Star Destroyers being in tight formation allows them to act as fire support to each other as well as being a huge psychological impact when seeing two bearing down on them. We see the tight formation again in ESB when Han flies around some Star Destroyers, nearly causing them to collide (that scene when the officer shouts, "Take evasive action!"
I'm referring to the one in the embedded youtube link. :)
That scene in ESB was also non-sensical.
I know, so...are you saying the corvettes are too small to push a Star Destroyer? Can you be clearer?
Because it looks good. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-b...g-23?srid=SbSu
There were so many things wrong with that scene that my brain gave up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
well, they are in space where there is no friction resistance and the ship is disabled so it can't push back. i can't remember what effect the difference in mass would have. i guess it was just the little corvette that could :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Megatran
Darth Vader:
-His castle on Mustafar makes sense as it fuels his hatred and anger. I can't quite remember if it was in print or on a YouTube video, but I do recall this being discussed and it makes sense to me. You've lost the love of your life, your best friend and mentor left you to die a horrible death. Nobody is going to be whistling happy tunes after that.
-Having said that, his appearance in Episode 4, to me anyway, doesn't reflect this when he meets Obi Wan on the Death Star.
There's no emotion in his voice, no anger, no hatred & revenge fuelled aggression like we saw when Obi Wan left him to die in ROTS. The best he can manage is a cool
Does that sound like someone who has been holding a mighty grudge for 20 years?Quote:
I've been waiting for you, Obi Wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.
Your powers are weak, old man.
You should not have come back.
While I think that it's great that we saw Darth Vader slice through a squadron of Rebels (the poor schlub on the ceiling gets my vote for the best death in the SW universe) & drop those phat one liners, I really don't think that it adds any extra dimensions to his characterisation in Episode 4.
This is the problem with 'prequels'.. :rolleyes:
Anyone else put on their Darth Vader voice when reading those lines?
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I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again at last. The circle is now complete, when I left you I was but the learner, now I am the master.
Your powers are weak, old man.
You should not have come back.
Now try it in EP1 Anakin's voice
Wot ahhh medikloriuhns?
The Mustafar scene could have been omitted, but I think that Vader's appearance towards the end contributed to the story as it really helps to tie Rogue One into A New Hope and suddenly the opening scene of ANH with Vader's Star Destroyer chasing Leia's Corellian Corvette feels more intense. :) Vader's appearance in R1 was certainly nothing like Jar Jar Binks' appearance in The Phantom Menace where it took up a notable amount of screen time across multiple scenes and ultimately contributed nothing to the overall plot.
As for the tightness of the space battles -- look, a LOT of things in Star Wars is scientifically inaccurate. This includes:
[list]The tightness of an asteroid belt. IRL asteroids are actually thousands of km apart.
- A smooth rolling ball of a droid like BB8 would have skidded uncontrollably on sand.
- A hollow planet like Naboo being able to form, let alone having sufficient/stable gravity
- No sound in space
- A parsec is a measure of distance, not time. 1 parsec = 3.26 light years.
- Blaster bolts (particle beams); most Star Wars movies and other canonical material accurately show blaster bolts not drawing blood. Real life experiments indicate that this might be true if a particle were ever used to shoot a living target, as these pulses are so powerful that they instantly ionise atoms on contact. However, in The Force Awakens, blaster bolts were shown to cause bleeding. Although it may be due to the rupturing of internal organs beyond the point of impact? :confused:
- Starkiller Base: sucking all of the energy of a star into a planet would vapourise that planet.
- Flight dynamics: Star Wars spaceships and fighters fly like fixed-wing aircraft do in atmosphere, such as banking into turns. Spacecraft never need to do this since they do not rely on air pressure to fly.
- The destruction of the Second Death Star would have been catastrophic for Endor. The sheer level of radiation from the explosion of the Death Star's thermonuclear reactor would have destroyed everything and everyone on the surface of Endor facing the Death Star. And anyone who may have been lucky to survive that would probably be killed by the massive chunks of falling debris from the Death Star, hurtling towards the moon's surface at 355,000km/h, hitting with nearly quadruple the amount of force as the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs.
- Hyperspace. Let's not even go into the extremely complicated science of faster-than-light speed, but suffice to say that its portrayal in Star Wars isn't the most realistic. George Lucas even admits this and says that Hyperspace in Star Wars is nothing more than a plot device because he needed a way to get his characters from one end of the galaxy to the other without taking hundreds or thousands of years
- It's highly unlikely that so many diverse alien races can all happen to survive in an Earth-like atmosphere/planet. They would more likely be like Plo Koon, requiring a device that allows them to breathe in what they consider to be alien atmospheric conditions. Although a LOT of scifi stories do this, not just Star Wars.
- One word: Midichlorians.
- Light sabres. Again, I won't bore you with an essay on how impossible this is, but again Lucas explained that this was another plot device because he wanted his main characters to have a close-up interpersonal melee weapon rather than guns. He of course created the Force to explain why light sabre users could survive in a universe where people used blaster guns.
...and many more. ;)
BUT at the end of the day, it doesn't matter. Because Star Wars isn't meant to be science fiction, it's really a fantasy story set in space. It's similar to say Greek/Roman myths or The Lord of the Rings, but the difference is that it has a futuristic space setting rather than an ancient historical setting.
"What do you mean, an African or European swallow?"
The circle is now complete...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...psc3xtxpvh.jpg
Still rocking the DVD's there Gok?, and shouldn't that be a new hope not empire?
Now on a serious note, honestly, how many times did you repeat that last scene when you finally whacked it on at home? :D
In my defence I've been sick all week and sleep deprived. :o Noone else has picked it up though, so a coveted No-Prize for you! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Meister
Not yet, although there are videos on YouTube which stitch the ending of Rogue One in with the opening of A New Hope. Better than switching DVDs as there's no lag. ;) Although the earlier vids showed the Darth Vader fight up to the capture of Princess Leia... the videos I'm finding now are showing less and those previous ones have been removed. I suspect that it may be for legal reasons now that the home video versions are out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meister
P.S.: I've watched this film twice since I bought it. Once yesterday (since I was sick at home). I was still sick at home today but was working from home but I watched it again w/ my daughter after dinner. :D The good thing for her now is that she can ask me all the questions that she wanted to ask before when she saw it in the cinema but couldn't because she knows better than to talk during a film at the movies (unlike some grown adults :rolleyes:). She's now worked out why all of the Rogue One characters had to die as she said to me, 「だから後で見えない・・・」("That's why you don't see them later.") Yep. :)
https://youtu.be/XilxJHv9qBI
This is girl's reaction to the end of Rogue One is awesome. Forget the critics and haters and everything else, these movies are meant to be enjoyed and the sheer genuine enjoyment this girl gets from this scene is so beautiful.