Hound is painted yet Optimus 3.0 still ain't. :rolleyes:
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Hound is painted yet Optimus 3.0 still ain't. :rolleyes:
Looks like he's been backpacked. It looks like the fuel tanks for Alt mode have been put behind his shoulders. Still look great from the front, very thick chest and back area now though.
Actually that is cartoon accurate. The only issues are that the fuel tanks are slightly too small on this figure and that the backpack doesn't taper into the back of the hips: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0FxMhJ-y8q...1600/TITLE.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire in the sky
However my guess is that the decision was made not to taper in the backpack for the sake of articulation.
Looks amazing. The level of slavish cartoon accuracy with such a streamlined body and the level of poseability is insane in the membrane. Lots of gaps and panel lines, which is to be expected, and it will no doubt look better in colour.
Not something that I would personally buy, but it does look very nice.
Come on Takara, show us a painted prototype so I can get even more excited... Until I see the price tag.
the colour can make or break this piece. I think I prefer this over the Mp-10 design, but is still early days.
Unless it's GPS, it's more than likely to be heavy handedness that would break this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by drifand
GPS isn't so much the colour but a composition that's typically found in a type of metallic swirly plastic that's prone to weakness. It can happen in non-gold plastics (e.g. the blue plastics on Darth Vader/TIE Advanced and brown plastic on Transmetal Megatron), and there are some other gold coloured toys which doesn't suffer from this problem (e.g. Goldbug)Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvatran
What? You don't think paying $400 for him is strange?Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
It depends on whether or not the level of engineering justifies the cost or not. For example, MP36's RRP is about twice that of MP5's but the level of engineering on that toy is also twice as good so most people consider it worth paying. Same with MP Sunstreaker, also about twice the price of MP Lambor but a whole new level on design. $400 will make it $100+ dearer than MP10, but again, the higher tech level may justify the price.Quote:
Originally Posted by FruitBuyer
I'm not personally planning on buying this toy, but I'm not going to immediately dismiss it as "overpriced" without having seen the toy. Paying $400 for the ultimate MP Convoy is probably easier to justify than paying $35 for any of the current Cyberverse figures (in terms of bang for your buck).
He's looking pretty good, using words like 'ultimate' might be too much, but like MP 10 before him, he certainly adds interesting changes to the design, which is enough to make it worth doing another Convoy, more so compared to the likes of Starscream who just had minor retools to the old mold.
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I agree when you consider the engineering and parts count going into most mainline Transformers at the moment, and you look at the newest MP's you can see where the money is going.
I'm not saying that the cost is justified, just that if you look at Transformer toys a a whole we are paying more for parts and engineering across the line than we have in the past.
Is this price confirm?
Like I said, if this is done painted like what sun streaker is. I have no major issues except is mainly plastic and it should not be that high of a price.
I'm going to regret asking but what the heck...Quote:
Originally Posted by drifand
If Convoy/Optimus Prime shouldn't be mainly plastic then what material(s) should it be mainly?
He thinks painted die cast is better than painted plastic and that he can tell the difference by looking at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvatran
Ah yes, the die cast argument.:rolleyes:
Die cast wasn't used in G1 because it was a "better" material. It was used because it was cheaper than plastic. How economics have changed.
Before this become a bad ugly thread. I have my own reservations on thoughts of a toy which is totally made up of plastic and costing $400.
You can have your own opinion about the engineering etc involved, that’s your take on it.
If you enjoy paying $400 for a full plastic bot be my guess. I am happy for you.
FYI I don’t care about the diecast for mp at this point. But the paint should not be budgeted. If you feel my standards are too high for a mp, I suggest you should look at other brands producing at the same price range.
This is why I I don’t sell my mp-1 but no hesitation to get rid of the mp-10.
$400 is 32,000jpy, if that’s not expensive btw I have spent everything on my other toys at below this amount.
One major issue for me with Masterpiece figures: KO versions are cheaper and sometimes better. Hasbro/ Takara need to go 'all out' on their top of the line figures; whether it be paint, die-cast, or whatever.
Justify the price with quality, not just because your fans will eat up anything you put out.
Exactly this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bemblebuu
Look at dinobot with the shoulder issue. And the price people pay for it.
If the quality stands out, I have no issues with material used or prices being high.
:/ It depends on what the die-cast is used for, but die-cast would obviously increase the cost of the toy and MPs are expensive enough as they are. The funny thing is that the reason why early G1 toys had die-cast parts was because it was cheaper than plastic. Then in 1986 they switched to plastic as it had become cheaper than die-cast metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent
I think that there are pros and cons with plastic vs metal, and it obviously depends on how the materials are used. But the fact is that metal is dearer than plastic and if you want these toys to be metal then it's going to cost you. Sure, MP1 had die-cast metal, but it also had fewer parts/components than MP10 and probably fewer than this new MP Convoy too. For one thing, it was only the cab-robot, no trailer or Roller car. MP4 gave us a trailer but it wasn't at the same level of engineering as MP10's, and still no Roller. And it was considerably more expensive than MP1.
Not as if the mp line is getting cheaper regardless of material nor even paint. So it isn’t adding up correctly.
I am afraid is just pure fandom fueling it’s okay to pay such prices are actually what’s pushing it.
I’m guessing the $400 price estimate being thrown around is based on what Megatron cost, plus accessories like the trailer.
For that amount I’d want to see a considerable amount of paintwork; all the fantastic engineering would be wasted if the figure looks like cheap plastic. I continue to be impressed with every new image and really look forward to the final product.
If lights and sounds can be cut from the MP figures, I'd welcome it. Anything reasonable that can bring some costs down to the line at this point would be great.
The sound feature is meaningless to me on the MP releases since they use the Japanese voice actors. If they could make a version of Optimus 3.0 with Peter Cullen then I'd actually be hyped for that feature.
^ DELTAprime already mentioned that ... only a few posts before yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
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Originally Posted by DELTAprime
Who knows what it will cost, I'm going to wait for official confirmation. But I think it's going to be less than $400. A few reasons for this, firstly it's their highest volume selling character notwithstanding its prior versions. Second, it has ongoing repaint potential. For these reasons I don't think it is comparable to BW Dinobot and BW Megatron.
What kills us though is the weak $A against the ¥ and US$. Anything in ¥ is now costing 15-20% more than it did a couple years ago with the earlier MPs. And that is before the new GST (unless you order from somewhere that is not charging it).
He's been on my block list so I can't see anything that he posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Galvatran
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by DELTAprime
Yep. All we have at this stage is a lot of angry speculationQuote:
Originally Posted by DaptoDog
Comparing the cost of an official figure to a KO conveniently leaves out the literal hundreds of man hours that go into the design and development of a figure. Those guys don’t work for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bemblebuu
The point was that KO's sometimes are better quality figures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trent
Justify high prices with the end product. Saying that high prices are justified because you have to consider how much time went into development and design, holds no weight if the end product is a shiny turd.
In simple terms if you ask me to pay $400 for a figure and you give a $100 quality figure I feel let down because thats where KO does it as good easily because they can equal the quality.
You paid so much for Engineering and design, why not add the bit extra effort to ensure we get at least a >$250 quality figure? I am someone who is willing to pay for quality not just because he is Optimus.
For me if it is at least Sun Streaker's finish, I am okay. The so call my wish of Diecast , rubber tyres , etc are actually a wishful thinking, and I know is basically out of the question.
The last thing you want is a KO that outshines your product. Thats where I am at.
Do the ends justify the means? How do you morally justify counterfeits made by thieves?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bemblebuu
Same thing, how do you feel providing a bad product charging an arm for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Is is ethical? Do you feel mp dinobot should have been recalled?
It is a violation of forum rules to discuss KOs. Please refrain from doing so, weather you believe you have a valid point or not.
In other news I look forward to the plethora of repaints that MP-10 went through.
Takara
Hasbro
Nemesis
Ultra Magnus
Shattered Glass
YotH (unlikely)
Evangelion
Various BAPE
Golden Lagoon (unlikely)
Any I miss?
711 Inconvenience Store Convoy.Quote:
Originally Posted by FruitBuyer
Should clarify that was the Ultra Magnus I was referring to.
C'mon Tober. If you're going to come down hard on members at least do it with panache. Swing that banhammer as though you are Thor. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tober
Since this matter was reported by one of the members (which was the right thing to do for the staff to review the matter), I wanted to respond to it in regards to the board's rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
The individual isn't telling people to buy KOs (which is against the rules here), so, the posts were not a promotion of them.
It was a very small comment about KOs that was actually using them as a way to highlight a negative element of the legit toys (over-pricing for poor QC). There is no other objective way to do that, as any other toy or toyline would be apples to oranges. The point raised here was that IF an exact version of a toy can be done cheaper (setting aside development costs) and yet sometimes have better QC, why can't the legit version have better QC.
Also, if we don't have moderate, constructive discussions or comments on how they relate/compare/differ from the legal toys (that doesn't advocate fans to buy them), we would be oblivious to why they appeal to some people, and it would be difficult to debate/contest their pros from a position of being in the dark about them.
It's just unfortunate that we've had such a bad run of quality issues with Masterpiece toys, that we are expecting future toys to have something wrong with them... and distract ourselves from the actual news in these topics by debating it before it even exists.
As such... back to talking about what we do know about this toy.
I would'nt have a problem picking this up, even at $400+, as long as Takara would stand by their product. Problem is, they wash their hands once their figures go into mass production.
Missing a piece or broken shoulder? Good luck contacting Takara to get a replacment part (Hasbro Australia is just as bad, they just tell you to take it back and get a refund). There is no afterservice care, and they never acknowledge there is a problem (look at Dinobot lol).
Compare this to some 3rd Party companies nowadays (Fanstoys ect) who stand by their product and ship out parts on request.
Takara should have the highest standards, but they fall very short nowadays because once they have your money they don't care.
You've had issues with TakaraTOMY's customer care? :eek: Because I've always found their customer care to be par excellence.Quote:
Originally Posted by graza78
I've had 2 MPs that had QC issues and both times the issue was promptly resolved by Takara(TOMY)'s customer care:
1/ My MP1 came missing a small ladder panel for the truck mode. When I contacted Takara they were extremely apologetic and promptly sent me replacement parts via express courier. They also included free bonus Transformers merchandise for my trouble.
2/ My MP Rumble came with 2 of the same side piledriver. When I contacted TakaraTOMY they sent me replacement piledrivers with a printed letter of apology.
How did Takara(TOMY) respond to your issues? :confused:
The vast majority of us don't speak Japanese so we can't contact Takara at all. So we have zero chance if we have a Takara QC issue of sorting it if the retailer is not willing/able to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime