Transformers Prime cartoon reviews/comments (spoilers)

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Originally Posted by kup

Sometimes it seems that some take any sort of criticism as 'hating' the show. There is nothing wrong with watching something, enjoying it but also be able to point out what we didn't like about it.

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I'm probably one of those people dude :p, but do know that I agree with people being able to voice their opinions, that's why we're here :D, it's just that some comments seems to be just a little ridiculous to me :confused: - but with that said my interpretation of someone's typed words is probably different to how others would interpret them. :cool:
(Hence why my posts make liberal use of the few emoticons we have ;))

I'm not having a go at anyone, all I'm suggesting is that on the character development front - give it sometime. :)

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Originally Posted by Hursticon

I'm probably one of those people dude :p, but do know that I agree with people being able to voice their opinions, that's why we're here :D, it's just that some comments seems to be just a little ridiculous to me :confused: - but with that said my interpretation of someone's typed words is probably different to how others would interpret them. :cool:
(Hence why my posts make liberal use of the few emoticons we have ;))

I'm not having a go at anyone, all I'm suggesting is that on the character development front - give it sometime. :)

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I think that criticism here has been pretty constructive and balanced by mentioning the positives as well as the negatives. No one has condemned the show, boycotted it or anything of the sort to warrant such 'give it a chance' posts when everyone here already is. No one has pulled a 'Trukk Not Munky' attitude which your post seems to suggest.

Frankly speaking, something that I feel is really bad within the TF fandom in general is that many have a too polarized 'You must love it or hate it - Nothing in between' attitudes. I wrote a big post on the first two episodes which was mostly composed of praise for the show as I very much enjoyed it but because after that, I gave my opinion on parts that i didn't like in the last two episodes, some are immediately assuming that I am not giving the show a "chance" and hating it. Very frustrating and discouraging.

Actually, I think this show is pretty awful. :P
If they can't fit any characterization in 100 mins (the average length of a movie), then they are really struggling. I have better things to waste my (not very) valuable time on.

On a positive note: the fight scenes aren't as confusing as the Bay films.

I watched episode 5 and I think it's the best one (So far). I don't find the human characters anywhere near as annoying as the kids from the Unicron Trilogy but that's most likely because no-one has "Radical" or "Holy Frijoles".
The action in the first five eps has been pretty kick-ass and they added some classic G1 qoutes to the final fight as well. I think the miniseries is as decent as the two Transformers Movies we got at least. Bring on february!!

Yeah, it's not bad show. I am enjoying this alot more than the first couple of episodes from animated. I like how they made the energon crystals look like raw energon as a throw-back to Beast Wars :)

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Originally Posted by kup

Everyone has different ways of enjoying the show, if you enjoy it better by not giving much thought to such plot factors then good but don't expect everyone to be the same.

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But try to remember Kup that this a kids cartoon,not some gritty oscar winning drama. If you over analyse it of course you'll find errors. It's a kids cartoon. I'd think that all the errors and things you find annoying, 99% of the target audience don't even notice. Honestly do you think all the 7-12 year olds watching this are concerned about the lack of character development. They just want to see giant robots kicking arse.

I have no problem with critiquing the show. My concern is that overall (not just this thread) there seems to be alot of criticism of Hasbro. Now while it's true that not all criticism is negative it can easily be seen that way and it can seem to potential new members that we are a bunch of whingy fanboys and as such drive them away.

Again as I've said twice it's a kids cartoon and while it does have it's faults IMO (looking at you Miko!) I'm willing to let them slide as I am not the target audience and I can enjoy the rest of the Transformery goodness

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Originally Posted by Bartrim

But try to remember Kup that this a kids cartoon,not some gritty oscar winning drama. If you over analyse it of course you'll find errors. It's a kids cartoon. I'd think that all the errors and things you find annoying, 99% of the target audience don't even notice. Honestly do you think all the 7-12 year olds watching this are concerned about the lack of character development. They just want to see giant robots kicking arse.

I have no problem with critiquing the show. My concern is that overall (not just this thread) there seems to be alot of criticism of Hasbro. Now while it's true that not all criticism is negative it can easily be seen that way and it can seem to potential new members that we are a bunch of whingy fanboys and as such drive them away.

Again as I've said twice it's a kids cartoon and while it does have it's faults IMO (looking at you Miko!) I'm willing to let them slide as I am not the target audience and I can enjoy the rest of the Transformery goodness

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Like some others, you are erroneously treating me as if I am hating the show just because I complained about an aspect of it. I never said anything against the character development or analyzing it as an Oscar winning drama. What I said is that the kids are becoming more of a nuisance in episodes 3-4 and that the TF characters could be more lively. Again, any criticism given is being blown out of proportion by those who disagree. To me that creates more of a negative atmosphere than the actual criticism as it highlights the negative and ignores the positive in the thread which was actually pretty prevalent before those posts begun.

I also don't see whingy fanboys here, this thread is largely positive about the show! What is highlighting negativity and magnifying it are the people who complain about anyone who offers any form of criticism about any aspect of the episodes.

If you disagree, that's good, it's your right but don't make assumptions about others or talk down people's criticisms while ignoring everything positive they have said.
If those posts have not come up calling people's criticism as ridiculous while ignoring anything positive said and concentrating on the negative so that they can complain about it, this thread would have gone on as normal.

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Originally Posted by Bartrim

I have no problem with critiquing the show. My concern is that overall (not just this thread) there seems to be alot of criticism of Hasbro.
Again as I've said twice it's a kids cartoon and while it does have it's faults IMO (looking at you Miko!) I'm willing to let them slide as I am not the target audience and I can enjoy the rest of the Transformery goodness

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Originally Posted by kup

I also don't see whingy fanboys here, this thread is largely positive about the show! What is highlighting negativity and magnifying it are the people who complain about anyone who offers any form of criticism about any aspect of the episodes.

If you disagree, that's good, it's your right but don't make assumptions about others or talk down people's criticisms while ignoring everything positive they have said.

If those posts have not come up calling people's criticism as ridiculous while ignoring anything positive said and concentrating on the negative so that they can complain about it, this thread would have gone on as normal.

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Try reading all my post before you retort...

Now back to Transformers: Prime. I enjoyed episode 5. My only gripe is that I have to wait until next year for episode 6.

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Originally Posted by Bartrim

Try reading all my post before you retort...

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I did and that is what I understood of it or you wouldn't have brought it up in this particular thread.

More tentacle rape... :P

The only issue I have with the characterisation of the Transformers is that it takes itself too seriously. The best Optimuses are the ones who have to prove themselves, like Primal or Animated. This one is presented by the series as if the audience should already bow down and worship at his awesome Optimus Primeityness when we've only just met him. And he's played ultra-seriously - there's no attempt to subvert the icon with any sort of humour, it's laid out that this-is-Optimus-Prime-and-he's-the-best-thing-since-sliced-Jesus-and-everyone-knows-it. Despite the cringeworthy clichés ("one shall stand..." <puke>), it is fantastic that we have Cullen and Welker playing archnemeses again, I just feel like Prime needs a Rattrap or Animated Prowl to take him down a peg or two. Maybe when the series proper starts, the Autobots will have a couple of additions to act as foils to their deadpan humourless core cast.

I await the ongoing series.

hmm I gotta say I find it a tad meh overall, its not bad per say, but it definitely lacks something, heart. It feels so much like a committee design, as opposed to a piece of art put together by passionate people.

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Originally Posted by Gutsman Heavy

hmm I gotta say I find it a tad meh overall, its not bad per say, but it definitely lacks something, heart. It feels so much like a committee design, as opposed to a piece of art put together by passionate people.

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This is true - it's going to be hard for the audience to love the characters until the series shows some signs that its creators do.

I just saw episode 5 and it is much better than 4&5 which despite being very good from the robot perspective, they were a bit too annoying on the human side. This episode was much more balanced and consistent like the first two so I enjoyed it more.

This 'mini-series' opening is considerably better than the Animated one, not without it's gripes but it does good overall. Hopefully the series will be able to reach the same heights that Animated did in Season 3 but much sooner.

As mentioned by everyone, something that this show is doing right is the fight scenes. You can see what is going on although they did do a kind of 'Bay tribute' in a slow motion scene in the 4th episode but since you could see what was going on it was better executed than Bay's. My only complaint is that it goes too much into '1 on 1s' not allowing epic battles between the Autobots and Decepticons as we saw between the Maximals and Predacons in Beast Wars, hopefully we will see that in future episodes as those scenes were also great for cross-faction character interaction and also showed a 'comradeship' relationship within the Maximals.

The start of episode 5 was very good but I got a bit worried when they had the kid 'hack' into the Government satellite network as I found that very much ridiculous. As a kid, I thought it was ridiculous when Chip used to know how to use Teletraan 1 better than the Autobots and even more so as an adult, so this aspect was a bit annoying for me. Thankfully the 'hacking' attempts did not come to complete fruition so that kind of neutralized that bit. What they went for instead with the schematics was a much better outcome than having the kid with his super powered hacking skills save the day so I am happy with that.

I also thought it was a nice touch that Soundwave did the practical thing and prevented the kids from accessing the satellite dishes by cutting the hard wire instead of wasting time finishing them off. Overall the kids were much better handled in this episode.

So far I am enjoying the show and it is the best current TF fiction by far. However I do share the same view as some like Sky Shadow. The TF characters do take themselves too seriously and that makes them rather bland. Prime is also somewhat boring and talks in slow motion as if he is reading from a book rather than performing, this was particularly obvious when he was quoting his 'classic lines' at Megatron.

What the show needs is more clever humor or as Sky Shadow mentioned, a Rattrap sort of character to liven things up or a Dinobot character to throw some spice. The show as it is now is indeed lacking heart and that is the biggest down side of it so far as much of it is very good. We also need more Decepticons with character - This is a must as Starscream and Megatron can't carry the whole show on the Decepticon side. A bit of soul is needed.

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Originally Posted by kup

We also need more Decepticons with character - This is a must as Starscream and Megatron can't carry the whole show on the Decepticon side.

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I very highly agree with you here Kup, because Soundwave is clearly a mute so they're gonna have to pull their thumbs out on this one. ;):D
I'd also like to see the 'phasing out' of those cheap and nasty drones - sure keep 1 or 2 around and maybe have them get hit with a lightning bolt that causes them to miraculously acquire an individual personality, ala Johnny 5 :cool:, because their design is pretty cool, they just end up as fodder though. :(

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Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat

I was just recalling all the comments made about Prime being too violent in ROTF as he blows away Scavenger at the beginning. Which now seems pretty weaksauce compared to slaughtering a whole field of robots!

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But they were Zombies, so that makes it ok.:D

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Originally Posted by kurdt_the_goat

I knew it wouldn't take long for someone to be more specific about that scene! I was merely suggesting someone who thinks the ROTF scene was out of character, might also think this scene was out of character, not necessarily exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by SMHFConvoy

The best way I can put forward this argument is Prime's iteration of Bulkhead. He has been made the token strong guy. I understand that this is only a mini series not really enough room to develop a character.

However, I feel that the new creative team has really mishandled a character that was in his previous version an artist and a space-bridge engineer. I expect that we'll just get more of the same when the series starts next Feb.

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I am going to put all these arguments down to 'new show.' I can understand people wanting the same type of character when they use the name again, but just re-hashing the same personalities for each series would get a little tedious wouldn't it?

Plus it is only the start of the series, perhaps Miko will teach BH about music to soften him up. Smae with Prime's ruthlessness, perhaps he has been fighting the war for so long that he has become more like the deceps than he thinks, and the humans will help him regain his old self. After all, we have only had 5 eps.

Speaking of those 5 eps, I quite enjoyed them. Sure some were a bit emo and Raf is a tad annoying, but that doesn't detract from the overall cool-ness of this series methinks. Megatron is great with massive plans, Starscream is brave when megs isn't around him, but obviously scared of Megatron. I hope to see some back stabbing in the future, which is what Starscreams are all about (contradicting my previous comments on BH in the process :p ).

I was thinking, that we could see some good variety in 'bots thorugh this. With Op and pals on Earth, it would be cool to see Tfs of different themes come from other planest, after Cybertron is a dead planet (in more ways than one now) and so some Tfs that took the shape of Beasts to survive could come visit, kind of like Galaxy Force.

I was also thinking that a good story could be done with Wheelie, being a survivalist, I suspect surviving n Cybertron would be quite a challenge. (Assuming it's Wheelie from SPotlight, not Daniel and Wheelie, or leg humping wheelie)

Chemistry! I've worked out that's what's missing. G1 Megatron and Starscream; Kup and Hot Rod; Beast Wars Blackarachnia and Silverbolt; Animated Bulkhead and Bumblebee; Sentinel and Optimus Prime (etc.) All the great Transformers characters worked because they had banter and conflict and emotional interest in the other characters around them. Here we don't see that, and we're going to need it to add an extra dimension to the rest of the series.

looks like there might be some robo-love between Arcee and whats that guys name.. human guy, not Raf.

Hopefully some more characters will spunk things up a little.

I must say that I am very fond of Ratchet "No need for long goodbyes. There's the door" GOLD! He has had some the best lines in this series!

And his VA is familar, anyone able to tell me what else he has done, as I swear I have heard that voice before.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

And his VA is familar, anyone able to tell me what else he has done, as I swear I have heard that voice before.

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That would be none other than Jeffrey Combs, great horror movie actor, among other things.

I swear, Soundwave is the most intelligent Decepticon... bar none.
Prime vs Megs... totally awesome.
Ralf... somewhat useful.
Have to admit... while Starscream takes over the Decepticons fairly quickly, he DOES seem concerned over Meg's well-being through the 5 parter. Different... not as different as the Micron Densetsu and Superlink version but different enough.

I've enjoyed this 5 parter, hope the rest of the season will be at least as good.

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Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1

That would be none other than Jeffrey Combs, great horror movie actor, among other things.

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I was surprised it was Re-Animator dude, I could have sworn it was the Voice Actor who played Prometheus Black/Meltdown....

Just saw eps four and five, and I enjoyed them. Miko's pretty annoying though... whenever I was watching her the word クソガキ ('kusogaki' = little s***) kept popping in my mind. (x-_-) But afterwards I was thinking... there have been plenty of examples of teenagers throwing themselves into warzones simply because they're seeking adventure (e.g. Jim Martin) - so as annoying as she is, she isn't a completely unbelievable character.

As for Raf's "1337 h4xX0rZ 5|<!11z", I think it was handled better and explained when he studied the Decepticon screen and said that although he didn't understand the Cybertronian language, he could still recognise and understand mathematics. And that would explain all of his super abilities so far... Rafael is basically a mathematical genius, and his understanding of math allows him to basically hack into computer systems, even alien computer systems. Perhaps it's all too convenenient and cliche/corny for a little kid to be such a math genius, but not absolutely impossible. Although you'd think that a kid this smart would have been picked up by his parents and teachers much sooner... you'd think he'd be like one of those Doogie Howser kids who would've been accelerated and would already be in uni now! (cos at least Chip was portrayed as a young scientist - not some random schoolkid).

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

looks like there might be some robo-love between Arcee and whats that guys name.. human guy, not Raf

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Jack. I wanna see his mum again. ;)

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Originally Posted by gekisou

Ralf... somewhat useful.

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Ralf fail English? That's unpossible! :p ;)

I also thought the fight scene between Optimus Prime and Ratchet against the hordes of zombies was way cool. :) Although... I never knew Cybertronians had veins! :o

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Jack. I wanna see his mum again. ;)

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Ha hahaha! lol..

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

I also thought the fight scene between Optimus Prime and Ratchet against the hordes of zombies was way cool. :) Although... I never knew Cybertronians had veins! :o

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Yeh, I thought that a bit odd too. Why not at least use circuits when wrigint about robots... Maybe they do, I haven't seen a transformer physiology book. Remember on Zone, Predaking had brains and intestines...

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Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy

Yeh, I thought that a bit odd too. Why not at least use circuits when wrigint about robots... Maybe they do, I haven't seen a transformer physiology book. Remember on Zone, Predaking had brains and intestines...

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Yeah, that was a rather gutsy moment.

しぃ～～～ん

FI-YAA GUTS!!

Stop dragging Cicadas into this Gok. :p

I suddenly remembered what really bugged me about the ep. The ending communication Prime sends out. Its almost like the Bay Movie ending commu, which isn't unexpected cos its got the same writers, but instead of telling Autobots to come to the planet, its telling would-be invaded to try it and we will kick your asses off-planet. Interesting but odd.

Not bad, but it is borrowing all the good stuff from Animated at the beginning of the series, rather than at the end (Decepticon Army arrive via spacebridge).

Bulkhead really is the standout from the mini, nice to not have "Bumblebee is teh Awesum!!!11!" shoved in our faces for a change.

Animation is nice and fluid, fighting is really well choreographed, not to the Avatar, last Airbender level, but it is still very dynamic, with each bot having their own style for fighting, both hand to hand and with weapons.

I was watching some TF Prime during my lunch break today, and ya know, putting all the fan-b!tching aside -- I really am liking this series a lot. Ever since Beast Wars ended, I've often complained about Transformers series simply failing to deliver a simultaneous appeal to both child and adult audiences. Beast Machines was too adult and everything after that was too kid-oriented. Car Robot (RiD) was good considering it's target audience and Animated got better later on... just before being canned. And the Unicron Trilogy was rather forgettable. The comics were more enjoyable, but of course, we all know happened with Dreamwave <sigh>.

I feel that this is the first Transformers cartoon we've had since the Canadian Beast Wars series that actually is trying to appeal to both kids and adults at the same time... and IMO it's doing a fair job (cos it's NOT easy to appeal to two such different audiences at the same time) -- a helluva lot better of a job than Michael Bay. The only thing, for me, that is missing would be tying in with G1-G2-BW-BM continuity, but that's obviously never been the intent of this series (and the fact that Beast Machines ended in a way that boxed in continuity makes it jolly hard to follow up doesn't help) -- so it's not something I begrudge them for.

I just hope they run with this continuity for a good long while before doing another reboot. I'm tired of seeing 'disposable continuities' thrown all over the place for the last 10 years. Yeah I know G1 had different continuities within it, but it all belonged to one larger "universal" continuity (i.e. same core cast of characters, one toy line etc.)... I'd like to think that if Prime is successful then Hasbro will decide to continue this series... but Hasbro has a habit of prematurely cancelling series in fear of it becoming stale (e.g. Beast Wars and Animated).

Now... bring on the toys!!

Overall, it's not a bad series in my opinion, but then it's not great either. I think it comes down to the characters. I just fail to care about them. Arcee and Jack are kinda likable, Ratchet and Bulkhead are bearable and everyone else seems boring.

Prime is getting some terrible movie-style dialogue in this show. I don't really blame Cullen, it seems to be more-so the script/direction. But damn Prime needs to lighten the f*ck up.

But it's still ok, has plenty of action, a few interesting ideas and the sporadic comedy is quite well done.

While nowhere near as good as Animated's opening three-parter, it was still somewhat enjoyable and has plenty of potential.

i have only watched the first 2 episodes so far but i have to say i think it is turing out really well. i am loving the animation and the character designs. i do think it is probably a bit dark for younger kids but i dont really mind as i am not a younger kid and enjoy the darkness :P
looking forward to watching the next episodes

Meh - it's not bad. I'll probably get in to it more, but it's not blowing my mind just yet.

I'll keep watching but Prime isn't doing anything for me at the moment. I think it's biggest problem (horrendous designs aside) is that it takes itself far too seriously. It's just not that fun at all.

I also loved how in TFA the Decepticons were a real threat, even Starscream could really hold his own against the whole team of Autobots making for exciting viewing. In this show, every fight seems to consist of the Autobots against wave after wave of generic clones, meanwhile, Big Girls Blouse & Mrs Pantyhose AKA Starscream & Megatron sit in the background shining their breastplates.

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Originally Posted by Doubledealer

I'll keep watching but Prime isn't doing anything for me at the moment. I think it's biggest problem (horrendous designs aside) is that it takes itself far too seriously. It's just not that fun at all.

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I think there are plenty of light hearted moments to break up the tension and seriousness, like Ratchet saying to Optimus that if he leaves him stranded on Earth by himself surrounded by humans, that he'll never forgive him - or Agent Fowler's delirium ("Soldier you're out of uniform, put some pants on!") - Miko actually questioning the improbability of Raf's "leet haxxor" skills ("You're like... two!") etc. And there's plenty of kick-bum action to entertain too. It's no where NEAR as bad as Beast Machines which, while revolving around a sophisticated and philosophical plotline, was also chock full of emo angst; not to mention spending nearly the entire first season with lots and lots and lots of running away from Vehicons. Join us next week to see the Maximals run away from more Vehicons. And did we forget to tell you that the seeds of the future are lied buried the past? We did tell you that the seeds of the future are buried in the past, right? Cool. So yeah, don't forget that the seeds of the future are buried in the past. ;)

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Originally Posted by Doubledealer

I also loved how in TFA the Decepticons were a real threat, even Starscream could really hold his own against the whole team of Autobots making for exciting viewing. In this show, every fight seems to consist of the Autobots against wave after wave of generic clones, meanwhile, Big Girls Blouse & Mrs Pantyhose AKA Starscream & Megatron sit in the background shining their breastplates.

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Despite my pet peeves with Animated, they did handle the Decepticons extremely well. I think that Transformers is at it's best when you have a good balance of interesting characters on both factions. Transformers is also at it's best when it doesn't take itself too seriously and there is a good balance between fun and seriousness with a natural flow between the two in the story. Marvel G1 managed it and so did Beast Wars and arguably the G1 cartoon too despite the cheesy 80s plots.

In recent times, another fictional story that has managed to balance out the seriousness and the fun is War for Cybertron. The situation and the war was serious but the G1 quirky characters were fun like Breakdown and Warpath and their interaction with the more serious characters made it funny and balanced out the atmosphere.

Prime may develop into something a little bit more like that but I am not holding my breath but will give it a shot. Despite it all, it is still the best fiction out there and IMO it had a better start than Animated.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

I think there are plenty of light hearted moments to break up the tension and seriousness, like Ratchet saying to Optimus that if he leaves him stranded on Earth by himself surrounded by humans, that he'll never forgive him - or Agent Fowler's delirium ("Soldier you're out of uniform, put some pants on!") - Miko actually questioning the improbability of Raf's "leet haxxor" skills ("You're like... two!") etc. And there's plenty of kick-bum action to entertain too. It's no where NEAR as bad as Beast Machines which, while revolving around a sophisticated and philosophical plotline, was also chock full of emo angst; not to mention spending nearly the entire first season with lots and lots and lots of running away from Vehicons. Join us next week to see the Maximals run away from more Vehicons. And did we forget to tell you that the seeds of the future are lied buried the past? We did tell you that the seeds of the future are buried in the past, right? Cool. So yeah, don't forget that the seeds of the future are buried in the past. ;)

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For me, the humour that is there (particularly from those loathsome human characters) feels forced and out of place. It ruins any kind of intruiging darker atmosphere that was there, and reminds us all we're meant to be 10 years old.

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Originally Posted by Doubledealer

For me, the humour that is there (particularly from those loathsome human characters) feels forced and out of place. It ruins any kind of intruiging darker atmosphere that was there, and reminds us all we're meant to be 10 years old.

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IMO that is typical of Orci's and Kurtzman's writing. You saw that sort of 'out of place' humor in Star Trek and in TF1 & 2 although in the latter it was more crude (Bay).

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Originally Posted by kaiden

http://www.rlslog.net/transformers-p...d5-1-x264-etp/

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Can't access the site from work - are they .mkv files?

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Originally Posted by 5FDP

Can't access the site from work - are they .mkv files?

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Yep, they sure are dude. :)
Are you able to use .mkv files?

Cheers Kaiden! :D:cool:

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Originally Posted by Hursticon

Yep, they sure are dude. :)
Are you able to use .mkv files?

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Thanks Hursty :) Yeah, .mkv files are no good to me :(

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Thanks Hursty :) Yeah, .mkv files are no good to me :(

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Try this then dude, it'll play literally, near-on anything. :D
I don't use any other media player to watch videos. ;):cool:

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Originally Posted by Hursticon

Try this then dude, it'll play literally, near-on anything. :D
I don't use any other media player to watch videos. ;):cool:

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Thanks buddy. I'd want to play them on my PS3 however I need the files to be either .mp4 or .avi. Unfortunately .mkv files don't work with a PS3.