GI Joe Resolute

kup: Don't forget that the Maximal/Predacon Upgrade is an evolution of Micromaster technology from G1 - when Transformers reduced themselves in size in order to conserve fuel. Hence why Beast Wars Megatron once referred to the Autobots and Decepticons as "archaic Energon guzzlers." ;)

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Originally Posted by liegeprime

IM into joes but not much,

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I thought you were a bit of a GI Joe collector?

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Originally Posted by liegeprime

AFAIK Billy is dead, died in the hands of his own father. MOther remains unknown, prolly killed hereself when she learned who CC really was. The eyepatch is because he got injured when he was trying to escape from Cobra

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*sniff* Poor Billy. :( Maybe he hooked up with the Baroness or Zarana... or perhaps Billy was a clone made of Cobra Commander made when his followers thought he was dead. And Cobra Commander wanted Billy to follow his footsteps, but was disappointed that Billy just wanted to become a vet at a petting zoo. :p

"An evil petting zoo?" - Dr. Evil (Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery)

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

I thought you were a bit of a GI Joe collector?

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I am, mostly Cobra figures. I only purchase Joes because they were sold in a bag with the Cobra's.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Bloody Transfans! :p

Okay, so I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to G.I. Joe so here's some noob questions...
RE: Billy, Cobra Commander's son.
1. Who was his mother? (don't say Midichlorians!)
2. Why does he have an eyepatch?
3. I kinda remember him joining the Joes. How did that work out?

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As quickly as I can answer this before someone ctatches me not working. :)

1. Billy's mothers name is not known, however she appeared in the comic. CC left Billy's Mother when he created Cobra and took Billy with him. Many years later she came looking for Billy and put a gun to Jinx's head in an attempt to get her to reveal Billy's location. She found Billy while he was training under the then reformed Storm Shadow. For a while Billy lived "a normal life" with his mother while studying. I don't recall her ever being named but she was not depectied as being evil like CC, however she was somewaht aware of Cobra Commanders dubious activities.

2. Billy lost his eye when he returned to Springfield to confront Cobra Commander. Billy was hitchhiking in a station wagon with a drunk driver and Ripcords Girlfriend Candy when they run affoul of Scrap Iron and Firefly who were chasing down Storm Shadows Uncle the Soft Master. Although the Soft Master sacraficed himself to save Billy and co it proved futile as Scrap iron fired his second missile at the station wagon. Billy was later found to have survived but his eye and left leg were lost.

3. Billy frequently was apprentice to Storm Shadow after Storm Shadow left Cobra, he helped Storm Shadow and Jinx at times but would never completely bretray his father. He only joined the Joes officaly in the Devils Due series and went on one mission as a JOE in which Cobra Commander shot him. He did survive but did'nt appear till much later no longer a Joe.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

kup: Don't forget that the Maximal/Predacon Upgrade is an evolution of Micromaster technology from G1 - when Transformers reduced themselves in size in order to conserve fuel. Hence why Beast Wars Megatron once referred to the Autobots and Decepticons as "archaic Energon guzzlers." ;)

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That too :)

You get more out of Beast Wars if you know your G1 and it works retrospectively too!

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Originally Posted by kup

A lot of G1 only fans have a hard time realizing that there is actually very little concept wise in Beast Wars that wasn't already explored in some way in G1. Beast Wars is a true continuation of G1 as you can see many of its concepts reappearing and enhanced in BW.

Beast modes?
G1 had pioneered it (Dinobots, Predacons, etc)

Organic/partially organic Beast modes?
G1 also pioneered it. 'Season 1' Beast modes are pretty much an evolution of the G1 Pretender shell and even so, some G1 characters had 'realistic' surfaces such as Fangry's Fuzor type alt mode.

Robotic Beast Modes? Again something similarly seen in G1.

Sparks? called Fusion cores in G1.

One could go on and on. Beast Wars was a true continuation of G1 and that contributes to its greatness as it managed to retroactively enhance G1 with its own mythos and concepts.

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You know ive spent all day thinking about this conversation (had nothing better to do) and i see where your coming from- You know before you mentioned it i hadnt even made the predacon/predaking - Beast wars/Predacon connection... Duh!

Never even considered pretenders as precursor to an animal styled pretender shell.

Geez theres a lot of gaps here that could make great new story lines!

Anyway then it dawned on me that the reason i couldnt get into Beast wars was because the altmodes were way to real! Previous incarnations (G1 bots) were robots that transformed into creatures that looked like metal animals. Beast wars took it a step further and had the bots transform into animals that actually looked like real animals. I really liked the animal/dinosaur/insect etc replica type style. Can you see where im coming from?

Its just my personal thing and i dont want to give the impression that im bagging it. Far from it.

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Originally Posted by Vector Sigma 13

Anyway then it dawned on me that the reason i couldnt get into Beast wars was because the altmodes were way to real!

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I got 3 words for ya mate: Robots In Disguise! :) Cheetor's beast mode looks like a realistic cheetah, whereas G1 Ravage's jaguar mode ain't foolin' anyone! :D I'm not trying to dis' your opinion, but in case you've ever wondered how the heck people can like realistic animal modes, there's a reason. (:

Beast Wars also had plenty of robotic beast modes in Transmetals with chromed parts being a signature element of the sub-line.

Also Beast Wars characters are not Cyborgs, they are still robots with synthetic organic shells around them that split up in armor like fashion in robot mode.

They only became Cyborg type things in Beast Machines and this aspect was also a partial factor to its overall lack of appeal with fans.

But what about Billy!!!???? :D

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zed

But what about Billy!!!???? :D

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Who? this guy?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/tr...lasterUS17.jpg

:p

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Originally Posted by kup

Who? this guy?

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/tr...lasterUS17.jpg

:p

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Nononono!

That's not Billy, I think you mean the Joe below. :D

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...oe_blaster.jpg

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...fs/blaster.jpg