And how much studying and money did it cost him to figure that one out? :rolleyes:
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And how much studying and money did it cost him to figure that one out? :rolleyes:
Close to $1 mil so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
No, I'm not kidding.
See, he coulda paid me that and I would have given him the same conclusion :pQuote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Well, I said it a few pages back, now it's looking more certain:Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Cause I just know that Conroy will keep plodding away with this rather then give up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHyren
Conroy's only plodding away on Rudd's orders.
Any anger over the policy should be directed at Rudd. It needs to stick on him.
That's what I think too, but I can't tell anyone that cause Mr wonderful has kept himself clean making everyone else do his dirty work, that people don't believe he's the (retarded) evil mastermind -_-Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Oh what a tangled web those politicians weave.
Still funny it took them what, 4 months, to answer Ludlams questions.
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Originally Posted by SGB
Indeed, Politicians do weave intriguing webs, just look at the former Liberal Government with "Children Overboard" and the "AWB Scandal", It is annoying when they close ranks isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHyren
Point out that Rudd's in charge of the ALP and that policies don't get the go ahead unless he agrees to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkHyren
It's pretty typical of Conroy. It's not the first time he or any other ALPers have delivered answers late.Quote:
Still funny it took them what, 4 months, to answer Ludlams questions.
Monday 10/05/10 8:30pm - 4 Corners is Investigating the proposed Internet Filter with the premise that 89% of Australian's feel that the Responsibility lies with the Parents in order to protect their children on the Internet, NOT the Government.
Should be interesting to watch, I hope SGB and DarkHyren that you guys will watch it too because this is clearly a subject we are passionate about, unfortunately it looks like they'll only have Conroy on the show :mad:, as I would personally like to visually see Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's opinion and standpoint on the subject.
I don't have a TV... No, just kidding, but seriously, I don't watch TV often.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
But anyway, whenever Conroy opens his mouth I feel like he's making everyone dumber...
But let me know how it goes.
Thanks for the heads up. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
I'll watch it if I remember the program is on! :pQuote:
Should be interesting to watch, I hope SGB and DarkHyren that you guys will watch it too
And a heads-up of my own:
Following 4 Corners on Monday, Q&A will be having a somewhat Net censorship themed episode.
And I'll miss it because the only channel I can get is Seven :p
You poor, poor Bastard, my condolences. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
That's probably a good thing as it means you won't have to put up with the inane Tony Jones. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
Internet filter could scupper NBN speeds
Internet censorship remains part of Conroy's agenda
Colin Jacobs of Electronic Frontiers Australia has also tweeted that the censorship legislation might be tabled next month.
Anyone catch the Four Corners piece tonight?
It was a good, relatively neutral piece. LOL'ed at the elderly woman who thought the filter policy was "disgusting".
Really LOL'ed at the end at Mark Newton's comment about pollies being scared of the Internet.
Unsurprisingly, Conroy told porkie pies tonight, as usual. Really wish journos would start calling him out on things.
God damn it!, I knew there was something I was supposed to watch tonight. :(
I completely forgot and ended up following my normal Monday night ritual: 7:30 - Mythbusters then 8:30 - Good News Week.
I wonder if Four Corners will put up a Transcript or something? at any rate I'm sure somebody in the media will refer to the Four Corners report.
A transcript is already available:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/conte...0/s2895350.htm
You can also catch the show on iView.
I didn't watch tonight's Q&A as I elected not to watch it due to my dislike of host Tony Jones, however the program apparently was not all that favourable for the Government.
I read that towards the end of the show, the studio audience was asked to raise their hands if they opposed the filter and that an estimated 85-90% of them did so. Ouch.
Oh, and in a face-palmy moment, Labor MP Brendan O'Connor pronounced URL as 'earl'. *Cue head-banging-on-desk emoticon*
Sunrise will have a bit on the filter tomorrow. Looks like Conroy is the only one they're having on about the issue.
Geordie Guy from EFA was supposed to be on as well but they've dropped him with no explanation as to why. Smells fishy to me.
Isn't about Internet Censorship, but damn well has to do with the privacy of anyone.
Travellers to be searched for porn
Australian customs officers have been given new powers to search incoming travellers' laptops and mobile phones for pornography.
Are they kidding? So much for public consultation on major privacy issues. Where will this end, seriously.
Did anyone watch this? Keen to find out what was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
I think you can watch it here:Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/-/page/5/#fop
Click on the 'Watch video' link under the title "Big Brother online".
MINISTER for Communications Stephen Conroy has vowed to push on with his controversial internet filtering scheme, despite a barrage of criticism.
I'm gonna say it, the dudes a stooge.
Hole in one dude. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
The author of the article appears to have not done her homework by allowing Conroy to get away with the claim that Telstra and iiNet support the policy when in fact they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
His claim that 85% of ISPs support the policy is completely false, too. Most of them are opposed to it.
Great journalism ay?Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
You know, I can't wait for the day that this does get put into effect, and then they realise what a dumb mistake it was in the first place, and fire that dumbass for putting his own agendas forward without even listening to what the vast majority of Australians, and even people overseas, think is a complete waste of taxpayers money.
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Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
That's the problem, it's KRudd as well as Conroy that's pushing this. Conroy is a Puppet, KRudd is pulling his strings
I think it is about time those strings are cut. Why is it that they don't seem to want to listen to what people are saying? Is it because they are now too far gone to say, "We will cancel this idea, even though we have spent millions of dollars on something we were told would not work"Quote:
Originally Posted by fatbot
Either way, they are going to end up very embarrassed from this.
Conroy is definitely a puppet. That's why the filter idiocy needs to stick to Rudd. When criticising the policy, focus the criticism towards Rudd. Make the negativity and unpopularity of the idea stick on him, make him the person responsible for it all.
Problem with that is, no matter whatever negative consequences the filter causes for the Internet in Australia, and no matter how bad it is, neither the ALP or the Libs will repeal it. Neither will have the cojones to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
That's why it's so important that legislation not be passed, and why it's so vital everyone lobbies the Libs to oppose the idea.
As I've been saying, tell everyone you know about this dumb policy. Inform them of the negative consequences it will bring (Govt being able to block what they want at will; won't stop bad guys as ALL filters are easily bypassable; speed degradation; overblocking; filters being security vulnerabilities; increase in Internet costs, which the IIA has hinted will be significant; etc), and advise them to write to the ALP saying they oppose the idea and will vote against them because of it, as well as writing to the Libs, Greens and Independents urging them to flat out oppose the idea.
(Greens have stated they won't support the policy, as has Independent Nick Xenophon, but still send them letters anyway to help spur them on and maintain their resolve and let them know they have support for their stance)
Forgot to mention earlier, the filter was apparently slammed on Sunrise this morning. Video of it here (which I've yet to watch):
http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video...-stars-may-30/
Thank you for that, they stuck it to Conroy on that saying what a waste of money. Definitely should watch it when you get the chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
I still fail to see the substance in this argument, whilst Prime Minister Kevin Rudd maybe the Leader and hasn't canned the proposal, it is Senator Conroy's portfolio and his project so the blame lies with him and him alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
With all the other policies of far greater importance that the Government and Prime Minister Kevin Rudd are working on, the argument that it is the Prime Minister "pulling the strings" with Senator Conroy over this policy is considerably misleading in my opinion as let us not forget that it was the Previous Liberal Governments Policy in the first place so all one can accuse the current Prime Minister of doing is stealing the policy, which is a common practice with both Labor and Coalition Governments.
With that being said, this policy needs to be Hung, Drawn and Quartered and I agree that lobbying the Federal Independents is the best way of fending off this farce.
Rudd is calling the shots. He's in charge, so every policy is his responsibility. So blame lies with him too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
The fact he hasn't canned the policy and has failed to sack Conroy for his disgraceful conduct shows how complicit Rudd is in this policy.
A policy the Libs wound up dropping.Quote:
let us not forget that it was the Previous Liberal Governments Policy in the first place
Yet with all the little media coverage on the policy, I see even less of Libs openly opposing the policy now. They would get a buttload of voters if they voiced their opposition to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
Indeed Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is "calling the shots" and that a degree of responsibility does lie with him but to suggest that he is solely to blame or holds the majority of the blame is highly misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
At the end of the day the policy must receive the approval of a Majority vote from the party itself, this suggests that it is entirely possible that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd may not of voted for it at all, but because there were enough votes for it, it became official party policy.
We have had plenty of recent examples of what happens to leaders who introduce policies themselves or hold differing opinions to the party majority.
I personally would like to see Senator Conroy join the unemployment line as well, he is a rogue and an idiot at best and has done very little to better this country.
Yes the policy was dropped by the former Government, but only because they saw how unpopular it was, how much money they'd have to spend on it (Something they really don't like doing) and they didn't need another nail in an already sealed coffin.
I agree dude, I don't know why they haven't jumped on it but I'd say that, like Work Choices, it is probably something they have sitting in the play book that they intend on resurrecting themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
I tell you what though, I would be very scared of the day that people would vote for a particular party based solely on a singular policy, very scared indeed as there is already enough sheep that are legally required to vote. :p
I suspect that's because they're waiting for draft legislation.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
Some Libs are still speaking out against the policy, though. Sue Boyce was one of the latest, labelling the whole policy farcial in a press release a couple of weeks back. Also, Jamie Briggs and Alex Hawke make occassional anti-filter tweets on Twitter.
Agreed.Quote:
They would get a buttload of voters if they voiced their opposition to it.
That could well be true, but I doubt that's the case. Rudd's a known control freak, and sources have indicated to me nobody in the ALP wants the filter apart from Rudd and Conroy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd being a "control freak" is very debatable, as that would allude to the Prime Minister operating in a manor of a Dictator and I'd find it hard to believe that his coworkers, and the greater ALP for that matter, would just sit on their hands and take that. Dictatorship flies against the very core beliefs of all Australians and the approach wouldn't work for either side of politics.Quote:
Originally Posted by SGB
It's my personal opinion that Prime Minister Kevin Rudd probably doesn't care for slackers and expects all who have a hand in running the country to put a solid effort in or they are shown the door.
If the ALP didn't want the filter I would find it also very hard to believe that only 2 members would stand in the way of the rest of the party dropping it.