I wish Transformers Animated would've emulated the movie instead of going all Cartoon Network. JMO.
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I wish Transformers Animated would've emulated the movie instead of going all Cartoon Network. JMO.
I wish they stopped making all non-G1 transformers and just kept reissuing Optimus Prime over and over and over again.
Personally I have to agree here. While I have enjoyed a few episodes (much more the Cybertron/space based ones over the earth/humans involved ones) of Animated, I think if they had have made it follow/emulate the movie continuity it would have been a far greater and even more marketable product than the copying of the Teen Titans/Powerpuff Girls/Puffy Ami Yumi thing that we have now. Sadly, no matter how hard I try, I am just not Aaron Archer.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Nah, I like Animated, it's a breath of fresh air for the franchise. It's especially enjoyable for the younger kids (10 and under) and really, that's who it's aimed at. It's about getting the younger kids into Transformers, and it's succeeding in that respect.
BUT I WOULD LOVE IT IF HASBRO WERE TO COMMISSION A SERIES OF STRAIGHT-TO-DVD ANIMATED MOVIES BASED IN THE MOVIE UNIVERSE.
Having it follow suit from the movie wouldn't necessarily exclude kids. WB's Batman animated series followed up on the movies with a new darker/grittier look and that's been really successful. And although Clone Wars has adopted a more Cartoon Network visual style (same animators as Powerpuff Girls for the cel-animated series) the story-telling still easily comparable with the movies... mind you, Clone Wars is in-continuity with the movies but the Batman animated series isn't. Ditto the Spider-Man and X-Men cartoons that followed the movie... new look and "attitude" for those franchises that were clearly influenced by their movies, but still marketed toward kids at the same time. When I spoke to Eric Siebernaler about this he did concede that Animated is definitely a "divergence" from the standard look and feel of Transformers. There's no reason why a franchise cannot be based on a movie and still be made to appeal to kids at the same time.
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Although saying that X-Men movie influenced X-Men evolution is a bit of a stretch it still serves to make your point.
That Animated Prime really stands out badly in the ridiculous sense :)
Sounds like that would be putting all the eggs in one basket. I like the current three pronged (Movie/Animated/Universe) TF approach. It casts a wider net.
Just with the comparison with Star Wars...the cartoons actually add to the story (movies) so that a much larger and more complex picture is drawn in one continuity. Which I like.
Transformers now has so many totally different continuities (which I don't like) and with the movies we can expect 3 x 2 hr (approx) episodes. If the cartoon was in movie continuity we could have so much more from one Universe.
I agree. Kind of like how the Ghostbuster cartoon complimented the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger
IMO You could say Hasbro are trying to appeal to all their demographics with the 3 current/future lines (ROTF = Non-TF people, Animated = kids & Universe = Collectors) & for that you'd definitely have to give them kudos :).Quote:
Originally Posted by jaydisc
I just know someone's gonna flame me for expressing my opinion
I would have preferred a TV cartoon series that ties in with the Movie. But I'm now perfectly happy with Animated. :)
Move these last 11 posts from the Universe comments thread because they had nothing to do with Universe toys at all.
The Movie did influence Animated that's why Animated has characters named Bumblebee and Ratchet and a macguffin called the AllSpark.
I think Animated has taken concepts from a lot of Tf lines but I would say the Movie was the least of the influences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
Yes but those characters were renamed because of the movie, and the AllSpark was an added element because of the movie too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger
yeah, Armada trilogy copied G1 in the Unicron respect.
Now, instead of trying to blow up a monster planet in every series, we'll be seeing both factions dukin it out for a box/cube
Thats why RID rocks, so unique
I personally dont mind the cartoony styling of Animated its different and i like cartoony looking stuff hell i have Daffy Duck tattood to my arm. btw i like cartoons.
With Gok's comparisons between the movies and the cartoons saying that they have a "new" look because of the movie is only minor i mean the look of Batman hasnt really changed in the last 20 years at least for Batman and the 90's animated series was a still a verly dark and gritty cartoon and awesome, and then theres Spiderman he hasnt looked any different since 1963 except for putting on a different coloured suit every now and then. They are alot more influenced by there original sources COMICS!!! having them as a movie is the current "in" thing and is then played on by having the cartoons so all the kiddies can watch them in the morning and then go out that afternoon to buy the toys. Just that sometimes not all the time they have good solid stories to drive the cartoons as well.
There was a great CGI Spidey cartoon that only lasted one series that was in-continuity with the movies. Another example of expanding on the live action movies.
The newest Spidey cartoon, Spectacular Spiderman, just isn't all that flash (although the figures aren't bad).
I like that to. In the Star Wars universe basically every character you see has some small detail about them, others have vast detailed histories and yet you only see them for half a second in the films.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger
Aurra Sing comes to mind. She has a big back story and yet is only in Episode I for half a second
On the other hand though, I also like having some stories that a different. The whole What If? thing. Having multiple continuities allows this, and you can see the same thing through different views or ways. It is interesting to see how each Optimus Prime is the same and yet different.
I do too. The main advantage I see is variaty. There is something for everyone (well at least almost everyone)Quote:
Originally Posted by jaydisc
I like Animated's style, and the figure have some really good engineering and design. But I also like the more traditional style that we see in Classics/Universe. And I also dislike the style seen in the Movie line, we can't win them all, but I can have at least 2 out of 3. The Point I'm trying to make is that this way, we get something that we can enjoy. They may not enjoy as much as if they had put 100% into it, but the pay off is is that you get something to enjoy, otherwise they might take the other road and you would get stuck with something that they put 100% into that you think is 100% crap
For Batman:The Animated Series, yes very true, for The Batman, not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
The latter was a lot more light hearted. Just look at the way they did the villains, especially Joker, they were crazy and comical. And the latter seasons because a lot more campier. Have you heard the Theme song for Season 3,4 & 5?!?!?!
Think a cross between Hawaiian Surf music and the Batman theme from the 1960s live action TV series with Adam West
I'm glad that Animated didnt visually follow on from the movie, the movie characters looked mostly like scrap metal, and although the designs look much better in the sequel comics having to animate all that useless horrible "detail" would have cost a fortune for any close up shots.
Story wise, if the Animated series expanded on the movie it would have more or less a blank slate as the movie had about as much plot and characterisation in it as the AHM comic series.
A different angle incorporating some of the more popular movie elements as Animated did was the smartest move Hasbro could make. Sure it could have been a bit more mature, but Hasbro had a target audience in mind and stuck with it.
Well there are varying limits of influence - and there is some influence in X-Men Evolution visually... e.g. the uniforms are darker; Wolverine isn't wearing yellow spandex. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
To be fair, Transformers has never had a single universe/continuity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger
When I spoke to Eric he told me that a lot of those were "last minute" decisions. Initially Hasbro intended for Animated to be entirely unrelated to the movie - and it is - but then much later on in the developmental stage they decided to put in references from the movie, such as naming their Cosmic MacGuffin(TM) the AllSpark(R). I'm not sure if the inclusion of Ratchet was influenced by the movie or not - we've had Red Alert (who was called Ratchet in Japan) in the Unicron Trilogy. But I read somewhere that Bumblebee was originally slated to be Hot Shot, but they later changed him to Bumblebee - I think that was a later decision made that was influenced by the movie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
So there are influences from the movie, but as TheDirtyDigger said, it's a relatively minor influence. I would have preferred a greater/stronger influence.
Again - JMHO yo. :)
Oooh! A double janglies-kick to Bay and McCarthy! :p :)Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
Because he prefers his orange spandex better!Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
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Well it's a brownish-orange which is similar to Wolverine's brown and tan costume from the comics - only with more black. :)
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I agree wholeheartedly plus a bit more. I can't even follow any of the movie line comics, as I have no idea which piece of screwed up metal is meant to be which character. From a glance one can recognise every individual in Animated and both the visual aesthetics and the toys are leagues beyond those of the movie. I didn't even buy one movie toy last time and I'm unlikely to buy any for this film either. I regret that the second movie will be taking shelfspace and potential releases away from Animated.Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
I read that aswell.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Also that Ratchet replaced a female Red Alert,
[ANIMATED SPOILERZ, Maybe...]who will be showing up anyway. Hot Shot too I think...
If what has been leaked about Season 3 is true, Gutsman then you are correct on your "Spoilerz".
I would preferred a cartoon based on the Classics toys (as a G1 reboot, which is what Animated is) over Cartoon-Network stylisation - and without the goofy human villains. Invisible-Pink-Unicorns know I hate those human villains. (-_-)
I think we have to separate what we as fans want and what is commercially possible. I think Hasbro has in mind a larger market it wants to take and dominate. While I would love nothing more than a single universe dedicated to G1 and reimagining those toys or adding more to G1 like Drift from IDW, I do accept Hasbro runs a business and that they'll do what they see as being commercially practicable and I honestly think they're doing well.
Yeah but there's nothing to say that a non-Cartoon Networky TF series wouldn't be marketable... after all, all other TF series up till now haven't been in this style and they managed to succeed well enough for 23 years. :) And as my comparisons with X-Men, Batman, Spider-Man etc. illustrated, other franchises have been able to produce series following movie franchises which have been more influenced by them yet still targetted at kids. You can make a line that simultaneously appeals to adults and kids - Beast Wars proved that this was possible. It does require more effort and dedication though.
I prefer the difference in styles, since I dislike the Movie designs quite a bit.
Also, it gives us greater variety to choose from. Movie toys for people who like 'real' robots, Animated for cartoony styles, and Universe for nostalgia.
YES. A Classics/Universe cartoon would be great-I've been kicking around ideas for a fiction regarding it for a while. The only problem is that the only 'cartoon' for Classics/Universe is that So Bad It's Horrible short.Quote:
I would preferred a cartoon based on the Classics toys (as a G1 reboot, which is what Animated is) over Cartoon-Network stylisation - and without the goofy human villains. Invisible-Pink-Unicorns know I hate those human villains. (-_-)
Classics comics ftw! :) (too bad most of them are exclusives :( I wish IDW would/could do a regular release Classics comic series - although we do have some Classics-Universe characters appearing in All Hail Megatron)
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:eek:OMG I agree with roller, RID Rocks:D.Quote:
Originally Posted by roller
I'm the oppisite, I like the Movie designs and dislike the Animated ones for the most part, G1 is toony enough for me. I agree with you though that diversity is a good thing though. I recall when Armada was out it was a choice of unispiring TF's ore more uninspiring TF's!Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverDragon
What Hasbro does with there toons doesn't really bother me as I haven't really got much from a TFcartoon since Beast Wars. Though I will agree with Roller to some exent Car Robots was amusing, in it's native tounge at least.
I like cartoons to, though toy cartoons get a bit sameish after a while. Daffy Duck rocks! I wrote and essay about Daffy Duck, Buggs Buny and the Transformers at Uni once, I really love the old Tex Avery cartoons where Daffy Duck is straight jacket insane! Although Chuck Jones's ones are awesome to.Quote:
Originaly posted by Loophole
I personally dont mind the cartoony styling of Animated its different and i like cartoony looking stuff hell i have Daffy Duck tattood to my arm. btw i like cartoons.
I really like how the movie made the Transformers so other-worldly. :) I can't think of any other TF continuity that's done that quite so well. Budiansky comes close, but the movie is better IMO.
I really dislike the movie designs... and at first I wasn't so keen on the Animated ones - but now i love em! :) I'm also impressed by how they've managed to make cartoony toys that actually transform!
Overall, I agree that Animated is a breath of fresh air!
Crazy insane Daffy is the bestQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Zed
And on the point of this actual thread. I like the movie designs because of how different and how thats how they probally look like if they did come to Earth my biggest problem not so much with the movie cast but most of the movie toys there head mould/ designs just arent that appealing i know there alien robots but i still like to see eyes and mouth
Not only that, but it's more like how Transformers would look if they were from an alien world and if they existed in real life. The reason why more traditional TF designs are unrealistic in real life compared to the movie designs would include:Quote:
Originally Posted by loophole
1/ Why would alien robots completely unrelated to humans happen to have unnecessary human-like features, such as a humanlike face with nose, mouth, teeth etc. - the movie Transformers have mouthes, but they don't look like human mouthes!
2/ Traditional TF designs really restrict movement. Anyone who's ever done TF cosplay would know this. Animators and comic artists cheat by morphing and dislocating parts to do things like make TFs cross their arms. This would not work in a photorealistic setting, so designs had to be changed to make their bodies more streamlined.
I prefer the animated type of look (g1, unicron trilogy, etc). I like the look of them looking like they are dressed and not half naked with their alien robot parts showing and wearing high heels.
This is why youre not in the industry, Gok. Theres much more to it than the fans point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Like accents in their voices? Agreed with the rest tho.. still ugly..Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
When I spoke to Eric Siebernaler about this issue he did concede that the style of Animated is "divergent" (that's the word he used) from the standard/orthodox style of Transformers. He said that Hasbro initially wanted Animated to completely unrelated to the movie but others thought that Transformers should incorporate elements of the movie. That faction won a slight victory toward the end of the conceptual development stage when they were able to introduce the AllSpark into the story - something that's obviously from the movie. But Animated is largely not influenced by the movie because it was Hasbro's initial decision for it to be so. Eric didn't say that basing the follow-up cartoon on the movie would be a bad idea per se, but merely that it simply wasn't Hasbro's decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by springah
They learned Earth's languages through the internet. I'm grateful they're not talking in 13375p34|<! :p Seriously though, when acquiring a language of course they're going to have an accent - it's impossible to speak a language without an accent. As machines they would be able to acquire languages quickly without having an alien accent as would happen with organic aliens (e.g. Yoda). ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by springah