Or better yet tried it!!
Looks good.
http://www.thetf.net/forum_posts-TID-13204-PN-1.htm
Ps. i apologise if this has been reported before.
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Or better yet tried it!!
Looks good.
http://www.thetf.net/forum_posts-TID-13204-PN-1.htm
Ps. i apologise if this has been reported before.
I think it would be an interesting idea for the forum to have a thread where everyone can upload pics of their junk bits.
Sounds awesome! Who wants to test it?Quote:
Originally Posted by sideswipes brother
what's a H2O2?
Hydrogen peroxide. You can buy it in the supermarket if you want to go for that sexy blonde look Iceman. Also it's really fun to put on dead skin from a cut.
ahhhhhhhh i always colour my hair. :P
I'd be worried about what it does long-term to the integrity of the plastic itself. Bleach is pretty harsh stuff, it could well be breaking down the bonds in the plastic, making it brittle or crumble away over time. If it doesn't affect the integrity of the plastic's molecular structure, it'd be a great fix. But if it does weaken the plastic, this 'short term fix' will be the scourge of the second hand market. You'll get dealers cleaning up their toys, get 'Mint' prices, and the toys crumble and break within a year of it being sold.
I agree it would need to have the plastic 'thinned' out since a layer of it would have to be removed. Its not just muck that makes it yellow, its the plastic itself that becomes that color so this technique must break down the surface of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Nevertheless it is an awesome alternative (assuming it works) to having a yellowed toy but the bad thing is that once whitened, it will be prone to yellowing regardless and I don't think it will be too healthy to have the same procedure done twice to the same parts.
I have a couple of junky toys I could try it on, like Dogfight and a junker Galvatron.
So what should I look for at the Super Market? I know that if I ask the checkout chick, she will have no idea.
Look for hydrogen peroxide in the health and beauty section. Best bet (and cheapest) is actually to go to the chemists. Chemists are also a lot more helpful than supermarket staff in general.
Would it be called Hydrogen Peroxide in the Beauty and Health Section or would it go by some brand name? Also what's it used for? I know women do crazy things to their skin and hair but acid? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDirtyDigger
Yeah just called hydrogen peroxide. I've seen it sold in a brown bottle but I can't remember the company bottling it.
Women do this stuff. You know the really, really blonde girls you see? Marilyn Monroe even used to put it on her nether regions to be blonde all over.
Keep in mind that the yellowed plastic would already be weak and likely to be brittle. I have no problem of getting rid of a thin layer of the surface. But chances are the chemcial goes in much deeper than that, and would have long term effects inside the already weak and brittle plastic.
Yeah that is why I am going to try it on junker parts first to see how it goes. My Dogfight looks like he didn't survive the battle against Unicron so I will see if I can reignite his spark. He doesn't have much to loose and a lot to gain :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle
I thought he mentioned that you have to buy a special mix of it and on the 2nd page i think he listed some retailers. I'd follow those links to get a clearer description of what you need before running off to the supermarket.
I'm super keen to see your results though!
Sounds like he doesn't mix anything himself the acids he buys already has 25%-30% of the hydroger peroxide. I assume that no supermarket would sell concentrations of it so chances are that it will be that amount too.
It is interesting, it almost seems as he is making it up as his results look so superb, particularly that Fort Max on the second page.
If this works, its a revolution of sorts in toy restoration and the dude and his friend deserves the Transformers version of a Nobel price!
To prevent any serious damage to the plastic I would probably further dilute the supermarket bleach. Its a good idea to monitor your parts regularly and remove them the moment the bleach has removed all colouration. The longer it's in there the more unnecessary damage there will be to the plastic.
Alright boys and girls. I have gotten the chemical and I am ready to place poor old Dogfight inside a home made CR tank.
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/fun/cr2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/fun/cr1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/fun/cr3.jpg
Hopefully he will emerge looking like a newly protoformed 'con. Pray to Primus that he doesn't disolve inside the CR Tank!
Dogfight is in the CR Tank and awaiting sunrise tomorrow.
http://www.geocities.com/wow_frostwolf/fun/cr4.jpg
With a bit of Energon and a lot of luck, he should be nice blue tomorrow :)
Or white heheheh. Am keeping tabs on this, Ive got 4 bots on the line up for restoration of their colors.
Yeah it opens a lot of possibilities if it works. The_Damned is having some good success with white colors so I guess this is the 'colored plastic test'.Quote:
Originally Posted by liegeprime
I noticed that in the photos, the camera flash makes Dogfight look less yellowed than he actually is. He is (was, I hope :) ) in much worse condition than the pics let on.
Might be needing some new stickers there, Dogfight! (:
I share this concern also. I do look forward into seeing the end results however.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
I wonder if just wiping the figure over with peroxide would work (edit- now ive read the article a bit more i dont think so)- this way you could avoid the prolonged exposure to the chemical and perhaps avoid risking the breakdown of the figures structure.
My concern would be that sharp edges in details might loose their edge and become rounded and make the figure look "melted".
See what happens anyway. I have a g1 breakdown I could try..... :)
Kup, I eagerly await your test results! :D
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I have little factual basis for saying the following, but I don't think the H2O2 is as corrosive as is suspected. From the other site's photos, it seems to only remove the yellowing but leave other colours intact. For example the black and red stipes on Jetfire's chest piece remained in their original colours.
Bleach or something more corrosive would have removed all colour quite completely. I think yellowing is a chemical reaction on the surface of the plastic and all the H2O2 does is produce or reverse the chemical reaction thus turning it back into its original colour. At the worse, it would thin out the plastic by a very minute amount.
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I do share the concern that unethical sellers would benefit greatly from this and it is something to be aware of for people buying vintage TFs. However, if its a toy I already own, there is little to lose to subject it to treatment. If it turns yellow again after a year, it would only have returned to its original yellowed state anyhow.
I'm hoping to try this on my yellowed trypticon and jetfire parts!
Well its been a sunny day, So i bought meself a bottle of hydrogen peroxide and dipped one of my worse for wear TFs - RiD Prowl. Here's a pic of him when he first arrived after I migrated him here just this March '08. If he proves to improve with the treatment.... then my Actionmaster Megs will be next.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ctibles176.jpg
I've just read through the entire post on the other side and it all sounds rosy. He whitened his stuff about 6 months ago and they are still fine now.
gosh, I'm really quite excited by this since I discovered that a few of my vintage TFs turned a tad off white when I visited them in Singapore recently. :D
Liege,
Did you disasemble Prowl? I am not sure how the the rubber and other non plastic parts would react with the Hydrogen Peroxide.
Also where did you buy it? I only found mine at the Chemist. Woolworth didn't have any.
Just a couple more hours and I can go home to see what Happened with Dogfight.
Hopefully he hasn't been turned into a Blue milkshake :)
According to the site, it does damage or have an effect on rubber tyres and clear plastic parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
I got home and had a look at Dogfight. I am sorry to say that the changes were inconsequential (if any) :(
He is the same as before despite being exposed to sunlight for a full day. I put the parts back in the jar just in case it takes it a little longer and will see how it goes tomorrow.
So far I have noticed that the plastic integrity has not been affected at all and there is absolutely no effect on the stickers.
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Also where did you buy it? I only found mine at the Chemist. Woolworth didn't have any.
i got mine from woolworths it was in the medicine aisle with panadol & bandaids the 3% stuff that is and it seems to working a treat
Kup:
I dissassembled him to as much as I could, BUt not up to the tires. Ive soaked him overnight now (thanks goodness it was sunny yesterday) Ive checked him and he is quite white now, but not as white as Id like it to be just yet so I left hom soaking still, well some parts only. Ive also added my Action master Megs. I bought the H2O2 from the chemist near my place. couldnt be bothered to go to Blacktown for it. Works like a charm IMO. But so far with the colored bits of fistfight ( Action master Soundwave droid companion) its done little for the yellowing. Oh and so far there is no damage I can tell/feel/ see on the rubber tires.
Okay so heres a pic now of my RiD Prowl. The whitening process has unfortunately whitened the autobot symbol as well, oh well that can be fixed with a little sticker anyways, Still not as white as I would like it, in real life ( doesnt show it in pics much) the yellowing is ever, ever so lightly traceable on scrutiny and some of the parts whiteness dont match each other, but hey it better, waaaaaaay better than it was before.
BEFORE
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...ibles176-1.jpg
AFTER
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...urchase025.jpg
Will post megs next once he's boiled off his yellowing to a degree Im agreeable with. :D:D
Neil, I can fix you up with a Autobot logo. Remind me before next meet (or whatever).
Thanks!! :D:D 't would be an opportunity to bring RiD Prowl so everyone interested on how it went can view personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirge
wow the looks heaps better lieger im impressed
Congratulations, Neil! That is impressive. If you leave it in the Hydrogen Paroxide a few more days, would that whiten it up even more?
I am leaving Dogfight submerged a little longer as today doesn't count as it was mostly cloudy.
It probably would have whitened a bit more than it did, but Im a bit impatient. Actionmaster Megatron is back to his bone creamy white goodness, but his left arm and head needs a tad bit more soaking ( I just his whole body in). Unfortunately I would need a bit of repainting for his hands & hips as the purple cloring of these parts have started to whiten as well. Small price to pay to have it back to almost its pre yellowing goodness. Right now Actionmaster Shockwave is in the bath for overnight, hopefully its a sunny day tomorrow. :D
I'm a member of the tf.net. I read it, but thought that every one would have seen and knew of this method. Thats whay i never posted it. Also. I don't much like mixing forums all that much. It confuses me lol...
Good News from the colored plastic front!
After leaving it for two days and one morning there has been considerable improvement on Dogfight. Almost all of his parts are now yellow free and the only one still showing discoloration are his legs (back of jet) but even so, its probably subtle enough not to appear on a photo.
I am going to leave that part in the Jar for a day or so more in case its possible to get rid of what remains of the yellowing but even if it doesn't, it is a considerable improvement!
What do you guys think?
Before
http://kupscigar.com/fun/cr1.jpg
After
http://kupscigar.com/fun/result.jpg