United Voyager 2 pack Frenzy and Rumble, Kup and Wheeljack?

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...announced.html

If true I wonder if these are getting a Western release.

Awesome news.

Kup was pretty much guaranteed with the upcoming release of MP Rodimus.

Nice to see that Rumble and Frenzy are getting a release what with PE monopolizing on those of late.

I hope wheeljack has LEDs :)

I'm pretty excited about Wheeljack... and curious to see the first images when released.

This line gets better and better

Am I dreaming?

This news is feeding my addiction.. for all this classicsverse crack!

I just broke down, put em all on my -to acquire list- yep.. getting all of em'

Can finally be relieved to the fact that wheeljack is officially confirmed, not only that but- what?? RUMBLE AND FRENZY?

I wonder what these 2 guys are going to be? cassettes? or something else?- does this mean a classics styled Soundwave release will be inevitable?

I personally hope they will be done in the vein of Universe Ravage- piledrivers and all- but judging from that information- the 2 will be sold as a voyager class- so they might be 2 scout sized figs?


Cant wait for pics of these guys!!

Rumble and Frenzy are great news and about freaking time! I have the PerfectEffect toys but if these official ones are of the appropriate aesthetics, I will place them in my Classics shelf with Music Label Soundwave and replace the earphones.

I will use the PE ones as WFC Rumble and Frenzy.

Wheeljack is equally good news, I hope they get the character right.

I think Wheeljack is a retooled Tracks. If you look at Tracks's gun in Hasbro's (badly transformed) non-photoshopped pics, it uses the same clips as his shoulder rockets (and that have been seen on toys since ROTF).

The "gun" is also the same design as Wheeljack's shoulder rocket.

the blue one is a blue rhino?:p lol i wonder what theyll turn into?

Since TT are using what Hasbro calls Reveal the Shield as United (Jazz & Tracks), I think that means we should get Grapple as a United release. Hopefully Windcharger too.

Who's Lugnut? Everyone else is G1.

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Originally Posted by FFN

I think Wheeljack is a retooled Tracks. If you look at Tracks's gun in Hasbro's (badly transformed) non-photoshopped pics, it uses the same clips as his shoulder rockets (and that have been seen on toys since ROTF).

The "gun" is also the same design as Wheeljack's shoulder rocket.

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Yeah that's true. The body also seems more suitable for Wheeljack than Tracks but still, it could still work if they do a proper head and colors.

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Originally Posted by gdmetro

Can finally be relieved to the fact that wheeljack is officially confirmed, not only that but- what?? RUMBLE AND FRENZY?

I wonder what these 2 guys are going to be? cassettes? or something else?

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MP3 files. ;) :p

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Originally Posted by gdmetro

I personally hope they will be done in the vein of Universe Ravage- piledrivers and all- but judging from that information- the 2 will be sold as a voyager class- so they might be 2 scout sized figs?

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Rumble and Frenzy will most likely be repaints of the same mould, so if they did have piledrivers they'd both probably come with them. But I'd personally be happy if only Rumble came with the piledrivers and Frenzy came with something else (like woofer-hands (like the ones he used in G2)). That would be a really great way for the toy designers to acknowledge the fact that Frenzy and Rumble were originally NOT meant to be just clones of each other; and that only Rumble was the one who could produce earthquakes and Frenzy's power was to produce destructive audio waves. If the woofers are too obscure for newer fans, then perhaps AHM-style drillhands? (or for something kinky, drillnuts :p)

...I highly doubt HasTak would do that... Frenzy and Rumble will most likely be repaints of the same mould. Oh well... I can dream. :p

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Originally Posted by jaydisc

Who's Lugnut? Everyone else is G1.

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Technically Drift isn't G1 (not original G1 anyway) and he's being released in Japan under United. Also aren't they releasing a CHUGUR version of G2 Laser Prime under United? And isn't United meant to be a continuation of Henkei? If so, then there were already non-G1 characters in Henkei anyway.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Technically Drift isn't G1 (not original G1 anyway) and he's being released in Japan under United. Also aren't they releasing a CHUGUR version of G2 Laser Prime under United? And isn't United meant to be a continuation of Henkei? If so, then there were already non-G1 characters in Henkei anyway.

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There has been a somewhat push of placing none originally G1 characters into neo-G1. Examples include Skybyte, Hotshot, etc.

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

And isn't United meant to be a continuation of Henkei?

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Sorta. Only in the idea that they are the Japanese version of the Hasbro stuff. From the pictures, although shopped, don't seem to have chrome but instead have the shiny Animated treatment.

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Originally Posted by jaydisc

Who's Lugnut? Everyone else is G1.

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Lugnut is like Lockdown - a movie version of an Animated toy. (while Blackout was an Animated version of a Movie toy...)

I'm not excited yet, why would there be such a blatent mistake in the spellings?

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Originally Posted by MV75

why would there be such a blatent mistake in the spellings?

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Because originally the list would have been written in Japanese, and at some point someone transliterated them to English - probably by someone who doesn't speak English as a first language (which is far more tolerable than seeing native speakers freequently screw upp speeling grammer adn :p).

Keep in mind that in Japanese phonetics "a" is pronounced as in the English word 'father', thus "Ramble" sounds like "Rumble". Japanese doesn't have the /æ/ sound that English has. Japanese also lacks /ə/, so "er" is transliterated the same as "ar", thus to a Japanese speaker "Wreck Ger" is the same as "Wreck Gar." English speakers also do the same thing with phonetics that don't exist in English (e.g. pronounce "tsunami" with a silent "t", whereas in Japanese the "t" is pronounced).

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Originally Posted by FFN

I think Wheeljack is a retooled Tracks.

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He Is: http://www.seibertron.com/transforme...edium=facebook

Wheeljack is an engineer, not a scientist. *gramble* :p

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Originally Posted by griffin

Lugnut is like Lockdown - a movie version of an Animated toy. (while Blackout was an Animated version of a Movie toy...)

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Thanks. Seems a weird choice for the line.

More detailed (& commented) pics of Tracks
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-...review-170718/

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Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Because originally the list would have been written in Japanese, and at some point someone transliterated them to English - probably by someone who doesn't speak English as a first language (which is far more tolerable than seeing native speakers freequently screw upp speeling grammer adn :p).

Keep in mind that in Japanese phonetics "a" is pronounced as in the English word 'father', thus "Ramble" sounds like "Rumble". Japanese doesn't have the /æ/ sound that English has. Japanese also lacks /ə/, so "er" is transliterated the same as "ar", thus to a Japanese speaker "Wreck Ger" is the same as "Wreck Gar." English speakers also do the same thing with phonetics that don't exist in English (e.g. pronounce "tsunami" with a silent "t", whereas in Japanese the "t" is pronounced).

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Ok fair enough. I thought they would have gotten it right for an order sheet though, is all. ;)

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Originally Posted by jaydisc

Thanks. Seems a weird choice for the line.

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It is kind of like how they put Hot Shot, Cheetor and Dinobot in Universe 2.0
Maybe Lugnut is just that popular.

I'm still not convinced. Those other three are defining characters of their original lines.

Hopefully Japanese Tracks will have a better hood decal.

The more I see of Tracks the less I like what I see. I'll still get him though because he is one of my favourite characters.

It's also disappointing that Wheeljack will be a retooled Tracks. He deserves his own mold dammit!

My god what is on that hood :confused:

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Originally Posted by Golden Phoenix

It is kind of like how they put Hot Shot, Cheetor and Dinobot in Universe 2.0
Maybe Lugnut is just that popular.

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Lugnut and Lockdown seem to be fan favourites, or at least Designer favourites, so they've created more toys of each, after their Animated appearance. Personally, I don't like the 'laziness' and 'contamination' of one series with another series' iconic/unique characters.
Homages to Gen1 is one thing, and if a series is full of then, it's not a big deal. But when you have a universe of its own characters and designs, a couple of homages/copied designs and characters to a completely unrelated series, just seems cheap and out of place.

Even seeing Lockdown in the IDW Gen1 universe (in the Drift comic), seems out of place.

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Originally Posted by MV75

Ok fair enough. I thought they would have gotten it right for an order sheet though, is all. ;)

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Thats nothing dude. There are spelling errors like that all through the parts catalouges I used in my old job and those are distributed by major car manufacturers. I was always surprised at the lack of professionalism shown by them.

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Originally Posted by griffin

Even seeing Lockdown in the IDW Gen1 universe (in the Drift comic), seems out of place.

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Geez spoiler alert please :p (j/k)

Sorry. I hesitated, thinking it might spoil, but he's on the front cover...

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Originally Posted by griffin

Lugnut and Lockdown seem to be fan favourites, or at least Designer favourites, so they've created more toys of each, after their Animated appearance. Personally, I don't like the 'laziness' and 'contamination' of one series with another series' iconic/unique characters.
Homages to Gen1 is one thing, and if a series is full of then, it's not a big deal. But when you have a universe of its own characters and designs, a couple of homages/copied designs and characters to a completely unrelated series, just seems cheap and out of place.

Even seeing Lockdown in the IDW Gen1 universe (in the Drift comic), seems out of place.

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I'd like to politely disagree there, Griffin. I don't think it's Laziness or contamination if the Designers for the Movie toys thought Lockdown was cool enough to be given the Movie treatment. He's one of my Favourite ROTF toys and now has greater crossover value after appearing in Drift's series. If the designers love these characters I say make more Animated Homages, it was great to see G1 characters get the Animated treatment, why is so wrong for the unique characters of Animated to get the reverse?

I myself love these Animated to Classics/Movieverse conversions. I'll buy Lugnut and would really love to see a Generations Blitzwing with some design cues from Animated (Mainly the three faces) And a G1 Bulkhead like the one I saw in a Mosiac comic. and to keep on topic I'd love a new Wheeljack and hope that they do a similar sideswipe/sunstreaker altered transformation for him and Tracks.

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Originally Posted by griffin

Sorry. I hesitated, thinking it might spoil, but he's on the front cover...

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Yeah I know hence the whole :p

heheheheh Autobot cup (kup)

Voyager sized packaging? :p:p
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...isition020.jpg

Wreck Gar is a medic?? Ah well I guess when you can bring back a decapitated body like - Magnus and Springer back to life , you are one. Better than Perceptor who can't even fix Optimus with just those shoddy side wounds, cripes Prime got blasted even internally ( by lazerbeak) before and was able to survive with Ratchet and Wheeljack on the job. Perceptor's just useless.:p

back on topic...

Im hoping they make a new head mold at least for Wheeljack and not just a straight on repaint of Tracks down to the head mold. otherwise Id track down an Energon Downshift just to cannibalize the head:o

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Originally Posted by liegeprime

Perceptor's just useless.:p

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hence why he's now a car and not a useless magnifying glass.

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I'd like to politely disagree there, Griffin. I don't think it's Laziness or contamination if the Designers for the Movie toys thought Lockdown was cool enough to be given the Movie treatment. He's one of my Favourite ROTF toys and now has greater crossover value after appearing in Drift's series. If the designers love these characters I say make more Animated Homages, it was great to see G1 characters get the Animated treatment, why is so wrong for the unique characters of Animated to get the reverse?

I myself love these Animated to Classics/Movieverse conversions. I'll buy Lugnut and would really love to see a Generations Blitzwing with some design cues from Animated (Mainly the three faces) And a G1 Bulkhead like the one I saw in a Mosiac comic.

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I agree.
I think it also binds the Transformers multiverse together more tightly. Making it seem like every character exists in each universe one way or another having greater impact or importance in some universes and little to none in others
I think it makes it more interesting to compare the charactersation between series.
One of the things I love about Animated Optimus Prime is that he isn't top bot. He pretty much got kicked out of the military and is just in charge of a dinky little rapair crew.
I'd like to see a Megatron like that.

Also reminds me of a movie called 'The One' with Jet Li.

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Originally Posted by Golden Phoenix

One of the things I love about Animated Optimus Prime is that he isn't top bot. He pretty much got kicked out of the military and is just in charge of a dinky little rapair crew.

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I agree. :)

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Originally Posted by Golden Phoenix

I'd like to see a Megatron like that.

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G1 Megatron was forced to take orders from Shockwave when he overthrew Megatron and assumed command of the Decepticons. Straxus is of equal rank to Megatron -- Megatron was commanding the Earth-bound Decepticons while Straxus had risen to power on Cybertron, becoming Lord High Governor. You'll notice that on the Darkmount toy his rank is 10, equal to Megatron. :) Straxus later took orders from Megatron after he was reduced to living as a head in a bubble - but even then he took measures to overthrow Megatron.

Megatron was also subservient to The Fallen in ROTF.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...tf_emperor.jpg
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?!?"

For some reason, Grapple and Scourge didn't make it to that list.

Courtesy of Seibertron.com, pics have been allegedly produced depicting the 'Alternate Transformation' that will be utilised to differentiate Turbo Tracks from Wheeljack.

Here are the 2 main pics comparing the end results (Supposedly):
(The pics are ridiculously big, so here are the links)

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toy...s/img0158c.jpg

http://www.seibertron.com/images/toy...s/img0167h.jpg

I wonder if Rumble and Frenzy will be a combiner? I could so see Hasbro recasting them to be like the twins in Animated.

Courtesy of Seibertron.com, apparently from an anonymous source - the upcoming Frenzy and Rumble will transform into half a Voyager Class sized Tank each (Like Combiner Micromasters or the Twins Icecream Truck) and will apparently have their Piledriver arms.

Why a Tank?

This is probably the one time I'll have a problem with another TF Tank because these guys really shouldn't be one.
I don't mind the combiner gimmick but I'd of preferred some other Alt Mode - But I guess this is little more than a rumour so until pics surface, I suppose I shouldn't get worked up about it. :D

The idea of making them combiners is interesting. Means that they'll be different moulds and not straight repaints. Also means they should be sold together and we won't have to hunt each down separately.