KO: Gentei Skywarp/Thundercracker/Mirage + Botcon 2007 Mirage+ Ghost Starscream

Culprits: http://www.kotoys.com/forum/index.php?topic=1113.0

We already knew about skywarp, but confirmation of thundercracker- guess it was inevitable.

Henkei Clear Mirage KO- so far its sold loose, so be wary of any loose ones being sold. Anyone who wanted, but haven't gotten it should jump on it now before KOs with replica boxes flood the market. Most online retailers have em in stock at about $80.

KO Ghost Starscream- Same as above, except sold with packaging.

KO Botcon 2007 Mirage- This is sold loose aswell. I don't know much about this figure- did the original fig have any packaging?- if not, then pretty much destroys any chance of these being sold- if the actual figure is indistinguishable.


Can't say I'm pleased about this news.

The clear exclusives don't affect me that much since I didn't care for them or the price.

I was looking to save up for authentic seekers, but I'm not going to even bother now since I can never be sure of authenticity, especially for a $150 price tag- can't take that risk.

Perhaps it'd be easier to track down a regular Classics Skywarp (t'was sold in regular stores). And I really hope Hasbro releases Generations Thundercracker.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Perhaps it'd be easier to track down a regular Classics Skywarp (t'was sold in regular stores). And I really hope Hasbro releases Generations Thundercracker.

---

Yeah, the classics skywarp is not cheap too since it came in the 2pack with ultra magnus. There was a 2 pack at the parra fair months ago for $120 and I didn't get it since I thought it was a rip off- beats ebay prices though.

Im just going to wait for hasbro to release thundercracker/skywarp or eventually learn to paint and get 2 spare acidstorms or something.

____

The actual pics of the stock of KO seekers looks so freaking real. Although I don't have authentic in hand, from the pics I can't see any discernable difference.

:mad::mad: Argh! This is terrible!
I'm relieved I've already got the originals of these, but for anyone who hasn't, and wanted genuine tfs, this sucks!!
Does this mean we're going to see more KO henkei figures? :mad:

There's a comparison shot of the original botcon Mirage and the KO.
Mirage was the attendee exclusive so it was packaged in a baggy with the bio card and instructions. I guess the only way to be sure might be to buy MISB.
The KO seems to be missing the rub sign though - which you can probably buy off reprolabels. :/ The other figures look identical though.

I hope at least the print quality on the KO boxes is telling when compared to an original.

Also, gekisou, you could try checking bbts, Classics skywarp sometimes appears sold loose.

I already sold my Classics Skywarp to kristofferer... I think I sold it to him for $20 iirc. I wouldn't expect someone to pay much more than that for a loose Deluxe toy really.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by tinyJazz

:mad::mad: Argh! This is terrible!
I'm relieved I've already got the originals of these, but for anyone who hasn't, and wanted genuine tfs, this sucks!!

---

Ditto... but yeah, it's terrible news. I tell ya what, if Hasbro gives us Generations Thundercracker, I'm gonna buy one, even though I already have Gentei Thundercracker. I'd do it just to show my support for Hasbro. I'd probably give my Generations Thundercracker away as a prize (like I did with Generations Thrust). :) Hopefully if enough Generations Thundercrackers sell they might consider releasing Generations Skywarp.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

I already sold my Classics Skywarp to kristofferer... I think I sold it to him for $20 iirc. I wouldn't expect someone to pay much more than that for a loose Deluxe toy really.


Ditto... but yeah, it's terrible news. I tell ya what, if Hasbro gives us Generations Thundercracker, I'm gonna buy one, even though I already have Gentei Thundercracker. I'd do it just to show my support for Hasbro. I'd probably give my Generations Thundercracker away as a prize (like I did with Generations Thrust). :) Hopefully if enough Generations Thundercrackers sell they might consider releasing Generations Skywarp.

---

What's the quality of the gentei seekers? Ive heard stories about the fragility of the figure and the holes being too large to fit the missiles?

Classics Skywarp goes for about $40USD LOOSE from the ebay BINs Ive seen. That is exclusive of postage- which is sky high- and most listings only cater to the US. I don't want to jump through all those hoops just to still be lacking a thundercracker and a loose skywarp. I'd also prefer the gentei ones since my collection is 95% henkei- I love the henkei/gentei boxes so much. MISB/MIB henkei are just so beautiful - second only to g1/encore boxes. Sadly dropping $300+ for 2 deluxes is just too rich for me now- I'd rather use it for the upcoming united releases.

Even so, it is not realistic to get em anyway due to these KOs so unless Takara does a re-release- which is highly doubtful- I don't think I'll be getting a Skywarp/Thundercracker.

The more realistic option is to wait for skywarp/thundercracker from Hasbro. I'm sure they will release em' eventually.

I'm quite tempted just to order the KOs and join the dark side right now. someone persuade me from doing so! :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

What's the quality of the gentei seekers? Ive heard stories about the fragility of the figure and the holes being too large to fit the missiles?

---

Yeah, the missile launchers fit loosely on the arms and the wings aren't as stiff (thus more susceptible to flopping down). But IMO the Gentei looks nicer but Classics Skywarp is by no means bad either). I took comparison pics of my Classics and Gentei Skywarp before I sold my Classics Skywarp...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...comparison.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

Classics Skywarp goes for about $40USD LOOSE from the ebay BINs Ive seen. That is exclusive of postage- which is sky high- and most listings only cater to the US.

---

<nearly falls off chair> :eek: (o_O) :eek: have sex and go away!!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

The more realistic option is to wait for skywarp/thundercracker from Hasbro. I'm sure they will release em' eventually.

---

If I were you I'd just wait and see if Hasbro releases Thundercracker and Skywarp for Generations (or even if TOMY will release United versions of them). After Generations and United winds up and if they haven't released them, then I'd bite the bullet and pay those stupid prices for them online.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

I'm quite tempted just to order the KOs and join the dark side right now. someone persuade me from doing so! :rolleyes:

---

A couple months ago I was really tempted to get the KO Headmaster heads cos I wanted Spike and I my Zarak broken an missing an arm. In the end I decided against it and bought myself a real Spike - and I'm really glad I did. Cos if I'd gotten the KO it'd continually bug me every time I look at him that he's NOT real - nothing more than just a counterfeit. I remember at the time I was thinking about getting the KOs, when I spoke to other people who already owned the KO Headmaster set, they were _really_ surprised that I was even contemplating buying a KO. And it was those conversations that made me realise that if I'd caved in and bought those KOs, I would have sacrificed my integrity as a collector (given my strong views against unlicensed toys). Ironically it was other collectors of unlicensed toys that persuaded me against following them and starting the road down the "dark side"! Look, it's really up to you and your personal standards. But I'd personally pay more money for a legit toy rather than lower my standards and buy a cheap KO. "Quality over quantity" if you get my deadloc--, uh, drift. ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

What's the quality of the gentei seekers? Ive heard stories about the fragility of the figure and the holes being too large to fit the missiles?

---

Thundercracker is definitely flawed in that his shoulder holes are too big. There are workarounds, but it's basically a defect. Skywarp is a little bit better and the others are perfect. Reports of fragility are false.

I stand by the belief that Hasbro will never release a G1-painted Thundercracker, so unless gaudy G2 is going to satiate you, you need to find another option, and probably quickly if you're price sensitive.

A poster named Sizzle at TFW boards posted a review with pics of Thundercracker in comparison to the official Henkei version:

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...ml#post5366906

Summary of differences:
-Very hard to tell its a KO while MISB. The only way is to judge from the alignment of the decepticon symbol on the wings, which differ from the official one.
-In robot mode, the knees and shoulders on the official one have a slight notch compared to the KO which has none.
-Another difference is that the missiles actually fit - although one side is slightly loose.

Having said that, I am weak and ordered a set of the seekers. :o

Overall it seems that the KO is of superior quality than the legit item.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Sizzle

All things considered, I recommend this KO to people who don't have Thundercracker and can't afford him. And I hope this review helps those of you who want to know the difference.

---

Bugger that... I'd rather NOT have the toy than accept a knock off.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kup

Overall it seems that the KO is of superior quality than the legit item.

---

Doesn't change the fact that it's a fake. I'd rather have a not-so-well made legit toy than a 'superior' counterfeit.

Oh well, that review does point out quite well the differences between the KO and legit figures and help consumers make an informed purchase decision. :)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Bugger that... I'd rather NOT have the toy than accept a knock off.

Doesn't change the fact that it's a fake. I'd rather have a not-so-well made legit toy than a 'superior' counterfeit.

Oh well, that review does point out quite well the differences between the KO and legit figures and help consumers make an informed purchase decision. :)

---

I agree with Goki here, I too would rather not own the toy than knowingly purchase a knock off - to me it's just as bad as theft, maybe over cooking it a little but that's how I feel. :o
Now, that being said I appreciate the review as it's a really good resource to have - knowing what to look out for is always a hand and I'd actually like to see more reviews of KO figures. ;)

at the im trying to get a ultra magnus vs skywarp pack and waiting on hasbro to release a generations thundercracker.

thankfully i managed to get generations thrust and dirge for $20 each.

strafe i paid $70 for which probably at most i would want to pay for these exclusives but i really dont see myself buying wildrider at those insane prices on ebay - which is also the reason why i havent been able to buy the gentei seekers because once again, scalpers want $100+ for each of them and then there's american sellers who don't want to ship to australia so really trying to buy exclusive Transformers off the secondary market is really heartbreaking sometimes.

it would have been nice if they weren't exclusive and just released normally.

so personally, if hasbro hadn't release the generations toys, i'd have bought these KO's and if people cant afford those stupid ebay prices they should go for it if they want to

if you buy these, you shouldn't feel like they're fake everytime you see them - its just a toy in the end.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kaiden

if you buy these, you shouldn't feel like they're fake everytime you see them - its just a toy in the end.

---

I totally agree with you Kaiden, if people want to buy the KOs then they should - don't let other's opinions influence your own.

For me though, if I was to buy a KO, I know myself that I could never look at it without thinking "It's Fake" - that's just me and I'm the same with regards to Reissues.
I also agree though that financially some may only have the option of KOs or Reissues, hence why I've got a couple reissues myself, the rarity of a particular figure is also a factor but anyway. :rolleyes:

So if any one does decide to purchase a KO figure of any type - Please consider reviewing it and post pics or post a link to a review if you know of one.
Even those who'll never knowingly choose to buy a KO will appreciate it as we'll know what to look out for. ;):D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime

Bugger that... I'd rather NOT have the toy than accept a knock off.


Doesn't change the fact that it's a fake. I'd rather have a not-so-well made legit toy than a 'superior' counterfeit.

Oh well, that review does point out quite well the differences between the KO and legit figures and help consumers make an informed purchase decision. :)

---

I am just pointing out that it's a sad day when the KO is superior to the real deal. :eek:

I would actually feel a bit annoyed as a customer who has spend so much money and time on Takara-Tomy products to see a 'cheap rip-off' being better than their own limited release exclusive product.

the problem i have with KO is they're getting pricey as well. It's a fake. It should be at least half the price of the orig release (not the raised prices).

Look at the chinese counterfeit shoes, it's like $30-40 versus $100 or more. If a KO is priced high as well just because their originals are at an insanely high value now on ebay, I wouldn't buy it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hursticon

So if any one does decide to purchase a KO figure of any type - Please consider reviewing it and post pics or post a link to a review if you know of one.
Even those who'll never knowingly choose to buy a KO will appreciate it as we'll know what to look out for. ;):D

---

The best online resource is http://www.highendtfs.com. This also has links to reviews for most KO's.

There are a few active members that dabble in the 'black art' of KO collection (I have a couple myself) who would be able to answer most questions not covered by highendtfs. The Transformer Variants site is also useful to some degree when trying to ID a KO.

EDIT: Just noticed that TFW has revamped their site to include a KO and Third Party section.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 5FDP

The best online resource is http://www.highendtfs.com. This also has links to reviews for most KO's.

There are a few active members that dabble in the 'black art' of KO collection (I have a couple myself) who would be able to answer most questions not covered by highendtfs. The Transformer Variants site is also useful to some degree when trying to ID a KO.

EDIT: Just noticed that TFW has revamped their site to include a KO and Third Party section.

---

Cheers 5FDP for the links mate, very helpful indeed.
It's a pity that OTCA doesn't have a front end site like TFW2005 - I can understand why though as it would be quite costly and would require constant and heavy maintenance. :(
I like their new look, much more efficient loading too, I'll have to give their KO section a good perusing. :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kaiden

it would have been nice if they weren't exclusive and just released normally.

---

+1 QFT!!

Hasbro... Takara... for failing to release all the Classicsverse Seekers as regular store figures, see me in my office after school.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y22...me/jasper2.jpg

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kaiden

so personally, if hasbro hadn't release the generations toys, i'd have bought these KO's and if people cant afford those stupid ebay prices they should go for it if they want to

if you buy these, you shouldn't feel like they're fake everytime you see them - its just a toy in the end.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Hursticon

I totally agree with you Kaiden, if people want to buy the KOs then they should - don't let other's opinions influence your own.

For me though, if I was to buy a KO, I know myself that I could never look at it without thinking "It's Fake" - that's just me and I'm the same with regards to Reissues.
I also agree though that financially some may only have the option of KOs or Reissues, hence why I've got a couple reissues myself, the rarity of a particular figure is also a factor but anyway. :rolleyes:

So if any one does decide to purchase a KO figure of any type - Please consider reviewing it and post pics or post a link to a review if you know of one.
Even those who'll never knowingly choose to buy a KO will appreciate it as we'll know what to look out for. ;):D

---

Just because it's "only" a toy, doesn't make the counterfeit any less illegitimate. A high quality fake is still a fake.

I wouldn't go so far to say that people "should" buy KOs if they want to (because it is still a form of theft of intellectual property). People can buy KOs if they want to, but I personally wouldn't go so far as to say that they should (because saying "should" implies that you're endorsing/recommending it - whereas "can" sounds more neutral).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jazzcomp

the problem i have with KO is they're getting pricey as well. It's a fake. It should be at least half the price of the orig release (not the raised prices).

Look at the chinese counterfeit shoes, it's like $30-40 versus $100 or more. If a KO is priced high as well just because their originals are at an insanely high value now on ebay, I wouldn't buy it.

---

As much as I may not agree with it, I can understand why people would want to buy a KO where it's a lot cheaper than the original. But paying for a KO that's more expensive than the original? (and I've heard that there are quite a few TF KOs that are dearer than the original) -- that's kuh-razy!

I have no real interest in the exclusive figures like Ghost Starscream and Botcon Mirage, so they are an easy pass for me. As for TC, I bought a Gentei version a little while back. Set me back $110, but it was worth it to have the final Classic seeker. I'd previously bought Thrust and Dirge for $150 for the pair. I can see the draw to buy KO's, but just like with Hursty, I will always look at it and know it's a fake. I'd rather have a legit figure.

And the whole "this TC is of better quality than the official release" is just crap to me. Yea mine had a problem with guns falling out of his arms, but that was an easy fix. Shouldn't have to do that, but I am willing to with an official figure.

Attachment 2949

Just received my KO Thundercracker from KOTOYS.

+ Cosmetically he looks fantastic
+ Paint apps are great
+ Will sit nicely with his mates Starscream, Ghost, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust and Acid Storm
+ Both missiles fit correctly in launchers unlike video review

- Left wing is loose and does not sit up against his back well
- Neither of his guns stay on his arms but are both tight on wings and in hand
- Back panel does not sit "flush" in robot mode
- Left hand/wrist is limp
- Both feet fold down too far and can cause figure to fall backwards
- He is not the real thing

Final Opinion: Look, I'm not a fan of KO's (at all) however my urge to complete my seeker collection forced my hand. Thundercracker IMO is a good alternative to any collection that is missing that elusive last seeker however I was left a little disappointed. It seems (not surprisingly) that there are some QC issues with these as there are differing defects between mine and the video review. Hard to say I would recommend this KO to anyone when there is an actual REAL figure available. If a Sunstorm or Retooled Female slipstream were KO'd i'd probably buy them however I still hold hope that Hasbro will release a classics version of Thundercracker in the RTS line

Review and Identification Guide for Knock Off BotCon Mirage

http://www.seibertron.com/transforme...-mirage/20199/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KaRNiV8L PRiME

Just received my KO Thundercracker from KOTOYS.
*snip* Review

---

By the judge of things, he is worse than my real figure. So much for it being better than the actual release.

Also, if you want to fix the problem of the launchers not fitting in the arms properly, you could use nail polish or super glue to increase the size of the peg a bit. But if it fits snuggly into the hands and wings already, it may be better to put the nail polish or super glue into the shoulder hole instead, if you like to play with the figure.

Just found these.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=290500848360 seller says these are remakes

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....fvi%3D1&_rdc=1 same seller says these are real.

Very difficult to tell

He says this in the description

Quote:

---

Great remake set! Limited! Can't tell the difference!

---

But sadly, if one were to not say it, and sell it as legit, I can't see a way of knowing.

I'd be very careful in buying them on ebay.

This is crazy- they actually made instructions/bio cards for botcon mirage

http://www.kotoys.com/kotoys.php?id=...07+blue+mirage

AZRAEL:

I seriously would not risk getting any of these off Ebay misb - chances are they are kos. The only way would be the seller having take very nice HQ close up pics of the fig in packaging for one to verify authenticity.
Other than that, a loose/mib where the fig is out of package would be easier to tell from close ups, although to untrained collector one could still very easily be fooled.

____

So if i bought a fig off Ebay under assumption it was genuine, and it turned out to be a KO, what would Ebay do? What would be the remedy? Does it make a difference if the seller said "reissue" in the description?
What evidence would I have to show Ebay that it is indeed a ko in such a situation?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

I seriously would not risk getting any of these off Ebay misb - chances are they are kos. The only way would be the seller having take very nice HQ close up pics of the fig in packaging for one to verify authenticity.
Other than that, a loose/mib where the fig is out of package would be easier to tell from close ups, although to untrained collector one could still very easily be fooled.

---

Which is why I am glad I bought my Henkei TC a long while ago. Now it is just too hard to tell on a MISB.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

So if i bought a fig off Ebay under assumption it was genuine, and it turned out to be a KO, what would Ebay do? What would be the remedy? Does it make a difference if the seller said "reissue" in the description?
What evidence would I have to show Ebay that it is indeed a ko in such a situation?

---

Ebay would probably do squat, unless you could provide pictures, and even then you have to jump through hoops to prove that you are correct to get a refund. If the listing says reissue, then most likely the seller will get away with it. IMO Ebay are useless when it comes to stopping people from selling KO's.

As I understand it, it's a violation of eBay's Terms of Service policy for anyone to sell counterfeit items. If so, then these sellers ought to be reported to eBay staff.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1

Ebay would probably do squat, unless you could provide pictures, and even then you have to jump through hoops to prove that you are correct to get a refund. If the listing says reissue, then most likely the seller will get away with it. IMO Ebay are useless when it comes to stopping people from selling KO's

---

You could provide links to comparative reviews with comparative photos etc. eBay would do more if HasTak bothered to get off their butts and actually press them to do something about these pirates.

But anyway, whether eBay staff do something or not, at least as users you would have done the right thing by reporting it. Beyond that there's nothing you can do. It's like say seeing a crime and reporting it to police - the cops may or may not be able to catch the criminals, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't report the crime. If nothing else if other users are persistently reporting the same seller for allegedly selling KOs then it puts that seller on eBay staff's radar.

There have been members here who have gone through the process of disputing a KO. It involved getting a "professional" assessment I think. Hopefully, whoever that was can chime in.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by gdmetro

So if i bought a fig off Ebay under assumption it was genuine, and it turned out to be a KO, what would Ebay do? What would be the remedy? Does it make a difference if the seller said "reissue" in the description?
What evidence would I have to show Ebay that it is indeed a ko in such a situation?

---

Ebay and paypal do shit all.

I bought a pair of DSLites from china/hongkong (i cant remember which) and they were described as brand new. So when I received them, I noticed some of the screws weren't in place properly so googled it and found that counterfeits were being sold online. Further googling, I figured out they were refurbished units and not new as they were telling me.

So I reported this to ebay and paypal and then had to send them back. The seller agreed to pay for the return shipping upon receiving them back (which they ended up reneging on - and paypal said they could not force them to do anything other than refund the original amount.)

In the end, Ebay would not update me on what happened with the seller citing privacy and such crap.

As for evidence, you would just link them to the website that has those comparison pics.

So if you buy them know, that evilbay will do nothing in your favour if it turns out to be a counterfeit. You'll have to foot the return shipping like i did.

Basically I don't recommend it.

leave scathing negative feedback for the seller? Ultimately it's cavaet emptor I suppose. :/

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1

.

And the whole "this TC is of better quality than the official release" is just crap to me. Yea mine had a problem with guns falling out of his arms, but that was an easy fix. Shouldn't have to do that, but I am willing to with an official figure.

---

Although this by no means justifies getting a KO, it does annoy me greatly that the KOers are better at QC than the legitimate piece in which we have paid Takara-Tomy good money for.

I think that as a loyal customer who buys legit products from Takara-Tomy despite hefty prices and avoids Knock offs , that I have every right to be peed off at this.

Forking out $80-$120 for defective figures from the 'Big Name' manufacturer and then have a greedy a$$ KOer come around later and do it much better at a cheaper price from some hole and I am supposed to just be happy with my defective purchase just because it's legit? :confused: I was under the impression that the real deal, specially an exclusive was supposed to be better than the 'cheap a$$' KO :rolleyes:

Anyway rant over.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kup

Although this by no means justifies getting a KO, it does annoy me greatly that the KOers are better at QC than the legitimate piece in which we have paid Takara-Tomy good money for.

---

True in some cases, but even Karnival Primes KO was worse than mine. It is probably not true across the whole board, but he got a bad one.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kup

Forking out $80-$120 for defective figures from the 'Big Name' manufacturer and then have a greedy a$$ KOer come around later and do it much better at a cheaper price from some hole and I am supposed to just be happy with my defective purchase just because it's legit? :confused: I was under the impression that the real deal, specially an exclusive was supposed to be better than the 'cheap a$$' KO :rolleyes

---

Is that how much they were charging when he came out? I don't know, I had to buy mine after market, which cost me a bit.

That being said, I still prefer to buy a legit figure, even if the KO is cheaper and of better quality than the legit. I just don't like buying KOs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1

True in some cases, but even Karnival Primes KO was worse than mine. It is probably not true across the whole board, but he got a bad one.



Is that how much they were charging when he came out? I don't know, I had to buy mine after market, which cost me a bit.

That being said, I still prefer to buy a legit figure, even if the KO is cheaper and of better quality than the legit. I just don't like buying KOs.

---

If I had know this scenario was going to play out, I wouldn't have gotten neither. It kind of feels dirty to have bought the real thing now after this.

But you just never know how it plays out until it's too late.

Anyhow, my only QC problem is with the peg not fitting. Fixed how I normally fixs things that are too loose. Minor problem for me to have the set of seekers.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kup

Forking out $80-$120 for defective figure

---

I don't think it's fair that you judge the Big Name manufacturer based on your aftermarket price. The figure was intended for domestic only release in Japan and if my memory serves, was priced at approximately US$30-35.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by jaydisc

I don't think it's fair that you judge the Big Name manufacturer based on your aftermarket price. The figure was intended for domestic only release in Japan and if my memory serves, was priced at approximately US$30-35.

---

Doesn't change the fact that they got it wrong while the KOers got it right.

Not necessarily. All this is based on someone else's opinion, and I'd rather have them side by side to judge.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by kup

Doesn't change the fact that they got it wrong while the KOers got it right.

---

I'm not commenting on that (I don't have the KO), but since the item's price was part of the complaint, I just think the actual price of the item should be known.

And unless I've misunderstood, Karnival Prime seems to suggest the KO didn't get it right (bolding mine):

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KaRNiV8L PRiME

Just received my KO Thundercracker from KOTOYS.

+ Cosmetically he looks fantastic
+ Paint apps are great
+ Will sit nicely with his mates Starscream, Ghost, Skywarp, Ramjet, Dirge, Thrust and Acid Storm
+ Both missiles fit correctly in launchers unlike video review

- Left wing is loose and does not sit up against his back well
- Neither of his guns stay on his arms but are both tight on wings and in hand
- Back panel does not sit "flush" in robot mode
- Left hand/wrist is limp
- Both feet fold down too far and can cause figure to fall backwards
- He is not the real thing

---

Actually, it seems the KOers got a lot wrong.

Looks like all the versions of the Classics Mirage are getting KO-ed now that they have created the mould to do it in any colour - Walmart Fracture is the latest appearing.