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DELTAprime 23rd February 2018 10:37 PM

A third Masterpiece Gen1 Optimus coming?
 
Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transform...in-2019/40761/

Raider 23rd February 2018 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DELTAprime (Post 582423)
Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transform...in-2019/40761/

I don't want more... but I will buy more... it is a vicious cycle...

griffin 24th February 2018 10:37 AM

(created a separate news topic, as there is a suggestion that it could be a new cartoon styled Optimus to go with the PLUS series now in full swing - if true, maybe cartoon colouring on MP10 didn't look right - and we know that Optimus gets releases several times, making back its money with each version).

Deonasis 24th February 2018 10:51 AM

I am ok with this. MP-10 is far from cartoon accurate and the + style is where this line has been for some time.

I still want some toy colour MPs of Shockwave and UM.

philby 24th February 2018 12:21 PM

For me the '+' options are just different and not improvements. I would be pretty reluctant to get an mp-10 '+' but I guess we need to see it. Imo I don't see how it would be better, but that's just me as I don't think slavish devotion to the cartoon model is always a good thing.

If it was completely new...eh still dunno. Still love my MP-10 heaps! There are a couple of minor nitpicks but it is still good!

Galvatran 24th February 2018 01:17 PM

3.0 ... Meh ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by DELTAprime (Post 582423)
Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

ampoldj 24th February 2018 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galvatran (Post 582448)
3.0 ... Meh ...


You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

Yeah i clearly remember that since i've got that from a guy here called Megatra...oh i completely forgot his username :p

Anyway i'm not into this whole cartoon/anime accurate thing so i will just be saving monies for the new MP characters to come (someday...)

DELTAprime 24th February 2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galvatran (Post 582448)
3.0 ... Meh ...


You take that back! MP2 is Ultra Magnus. :p

As I'm sure Galvatran realised, I was referring to MP2 because it's a reuse of the MP1 mould.;)

Jazzman 24th February 2018 04:56 PM

Will reserve judgment until I actually see the improvements... I have both the Takara and Hasbro MP-10's... do I need a minor update? Nope... Red Alert was different... passed on Sideswipe, though. :rolleyes:

Deonasis 24th February 2018 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 582462)
Will reserve judgment until I actually see the improvements... I have both the Takara and Hasbro MP-10's... do I need a minor update? Nope... Red Alert was different... passed on Sideswipe, though. :rolleyes:

Pretty sure it is a major update. The link in the OP is an entirely new chest/shoulders even though i think the biggest changes will be in the legs. Little doubt some of the transformation would be similar though.

DELTAprime 24th February 2018 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deonasis (Post 582470)
Pretty sure it is a major update. The link in the OP is an entirely new chest/shoulders even though i think the biggest changes will be in the legs. Little doubt some of the transformation would be similar though.

I did thorise a while ago that they could make MP10 more cartoon accurate just by adding faux truck parts to the chest and sliding in the fenders to make them flush with the side of the leg. Oh and giving him a more cartoon accurate paint job.

bowspearer 24th February 2018 08:24 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.

Jazzman 24th February 2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bowspearer (Post 582475)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.

Yeah, I hear ya - but MP-10 set the standard format, right?

bowspearer 24th February 2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 582481)
Yeah, I hear ya - but MP-10 set the standard format, right?

The scale isn't what is likely to be changed if they do a 3.0 - I suspect they'd just change the complexity.

Galvatran 24th February 2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowspearer (Post 582475)
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a complete redesign. The fact is that MP-10 is getting close to being a 7 year old figure now and as people have noted, there is a clear engineering gap between MP-10 and MP-36. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the design team trying to bring Optimus Prime up to the same standard as Megatron.

MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
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MP60 Megatron 3.0
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MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
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MP90 Megatron 4.0

Wash, lather, rinse & repeat. That's the sound of cha-ching.

Ralph Wiggum 24th February 2018 10:33 PM

Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate? I mean you look at MP-10 and it's instantly recognisable as the greatest Autobot leader of all time. Even more striking when you compare him to pretty much every other iteration there has been. No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy. The tapering torso, head sculpt, matrix chamber, gun storage, etc. I can see why they re-did Megatron and Hot-Rod, but I'm happy with MP10 and it would take something special to make me reconsider another Optimus

bowspearer 24th February 2018 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Galvatran (Post 582488)
MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
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.
MP60 Megatron 3.0
.
.
MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
.
.
MP90 Megatron 4.0

Wash, lather, rinse & repeat. That's the sound of cha-ching.

I don't think it's going to be that radical a change tbh. MP-05 was always a crap figure - even ignoring the scale. The fact is that with only a week's timeframe in terms of its development as I understand it, it's a miracle the figure is as good as it is, MP-36 was always necessary, even without the scale, because the old MP figure had never been given its proper due.

Then there's Prime. The fact is that people forget that the Masterpiece line as we know it is actually two separate toylines. Everything from MP-01 upto MP-07 was actually part of the same meta-toyline as Binartech, and we did get a crapload of Autobot Cars for that toyline. When the decision was made to go cartoon accurate and downsize compared to the 1/24 scale figures, Optimus Prime getting a 2.0 was always a given.

However is MP-10 a better engineered figure than MP-01?

Owning both figures, I have to say that the answer is no. Also where MP-01 has more animation accurate proportions, MP-10 is alot more squat and stocky in comparison.

If I were Takara, I'd almost be tempted to downsize MP-04, modify the design slightly where parts need reinforcing, and then pass it off as MP Optimus 3.0. Once that happened, I'm not sure you could improve on the figure enough to even remotely justify a 4.0, just as I doubt we'll ever see a Megatron 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Ralph Wiggum (Post 582489)
No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy.

Except arguably Optimus 1.0. I have to say that as great as MP-10 has been in terms of scale, it really wasn't up to the same level of engineering as MP-01 imho.

nsm034 25th February 2018 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DELTAprime (Post 582423)
Rumours are going around for a MP Optimus Prime 3.0.

How many versions does Takara expect us to buy? I already have 20th Anniversary, MP2, MP4, MP10 and MP10b.

https://www.seibertron.com/transform...in-2019/40761/

I have those plus 1 and 1B ,eva and 711 on the way. :o

MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!! 25th February 2018 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Galvatran (Post 582488)

MP50 Optimus Prime 3.0
MP50+ Optimus Prime 3.0 (colour based on animation error)
MP50x Optimus Prime 3.0 (TTMall exclusive)
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MP60 Megatron 3.0
MP60+ Megatron 3.0
MP60x Megatron 3.0

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MP80 Optimus Prime 4.0
MP80+ Optimus Prime 4.0
MP80x Optimus Prime 4.0

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MP90 Megatron 4.0
MP90+ Megatron 4.0
MP90x Megatron 4.0


Wash, lather, rinse & repeat.

Fixed it for you... :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galvatran (Post 582488)
That's the sound of cha-ching.

You forgot to mention the "thud" -- the sound of QC dropping.

GoktimusPrime 25th February 2018 09:14 AM

Translation:
シリーズ35周年に向け、新たなプロジェクトが胎動を始めた模様。続を報刮目して待て!!
"The approaching 35th anniversary series has started to quicken designs for a new project. Keep your eyes peeled for further news!!"

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Originally Posted by Ralph Wiggum (Post 582489)
Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate?

I don't think so. I personally don't think that MP01 is necessarily outclassed either. IMHO MP01 is the superior action figure whereas MP10 is the superior play set. :) Both toys have their pros and cons but I wouldn't rate either as being outright better than the other. And I've only paid for my MP01 - my MP10 was a freebie. :p

And even if it is say a distinctly superior toy, it would come at a price. Look at MP5 vs MP36. Yes, MP36 is loads gooder, but also at double the price of MP5 - so relative to price point I still consider both MP5 and MP36 to be just as good as each other. MP10 offered bonus stuff which MP01 didn't have, namely the trailer and Roller (although MP4 had a trailer but no Roller). MP36 offers the silencer and stock which MP5 lacked, as well as a greatly improved robot mode which was a point of contention with MP5 (although MP5 still has a better looking gun mode). MP10 already comes with everything that G1 Optimus Prime does. I cannot really imagine what they could make it come with to improve it.

My guess is that the mould will be even more slavishly G1 cartoon accurate than MP10, making the texture/moulding even less detailed than MP01 and MP10. Some people love this sort of stuff, but I personally couldn't care less. Don't imagine myself buying MP Convoy 3.0 (but donations are always welcome :p)

Deonasis 25th February 2018 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ralph Wiggum (Post 582489)
Maybe part of me doesn't want to see yet another Optimus Prime mould, but is MP10 really so outdated/inaccurate? I mean you look at MP-10 and it's instantly recognisable as the greatest Autobot leader of all time. Even more striking when you compare him to pretty much every other iteration there has been. No other toy comes close to matching cartoon accuracy. The tapering torso, head sculpt, matrix chamber, gun storage, etc. I can see why they re-did Megatron and Hot-Rod, but I'm happy with MP10 and it would take something special to make me reconsider another Optimus

Yeah i remember a similar thing when mp10 came out. Many people did not update their mp01’s for quite some time. If the ‘improvements’ are anything like 01 to 10 it will be worth jumping on, just to keep Optimus looking good beside the next 7 years of masterpieces. I cannot wait to see the difference and imagine it is substantial (in robot mode).

Ode to a Grasshopper 25th February 2018 09:48 AM

Yeah...I just take it as a given that we'll get a new MP Optimus every couple of years. He is the flagship character after all.

I don't really mind tbh. I'm quite happy with MP10, but if a new Optimus every now and then sells well enough to help keep the line running and we keep on getting other MPs that I do want then I'm fine with that.

Magnus 26th February 2018 05:20 PM

If we really are looking at a new MP Optimus, I would imagine that the changes would have to be substantial to get potential buyers to double-dip on a new MP Optimus at this scale, since there has been high demand for MP-10 and its mould has seen several releases.

My position on MP-1 vs. MP-10 is that MP-1 is the better robot, with better proportions and nice extra features, but MP-10 is the better Transformer, with a cleaner truck mode.

Also... if MP Optimus 3.0 ends up with a different truck cab, does that mean that Ultra Magnus will need to be re-tooled and re-released to match?

CoRDS 26th February 2018 07:07 PM

NOW with a NEW HAT !

Trent 26th February 2018 08:36 PM

Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

GoktimusPrime 26th February 2018 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Trent (Post 582622)
Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

There are collectors out there who have the bulk of their collection in storage and barely living within their means. Evidently not having enough space or money doesn't stop some people.

Borgeman 26th February 2018 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent (Post 582622)
Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

It's not too bad if you only own one - I think having a 2nd prime for truck mode displaying is justifiable.

Ploughmans Lunch 26th February 2018 11:20 PM

I hope it doesn’t have a trailer. I hope it is compatible with the mp10 trailer. I hope it takes after the aesthetic of MP Inferno. I hope you can change his face. I hope that he comes with a basketball and other silly, goofy G1 things. Am I a bad person for what I have just said?

Also I hope he comes with preposed hands similar to Laserwave!!

Paulbot 27th February 2018 07:17 AM

Those pics in the first post highlight his left arm and torso. So I'm expecting whatever form this new Convoy is he'll have swap out parts to give him the torso wounds from TFTM and the damaged left arm from Dark Awakening. (Along the lines of Mp Megatron having the beat up TFTM damage pieces. )

drifand 27th February 2018 09:33 AM

Any new Optimus I am for it as MP-10 for me was underwhelming. Both Takara and Hasbro fell short in colours and none nailed it. I never understand why Takara did not fix Optimus eyes. Perhaps the new version will be OKAY WE HEARD you, we give you the dead eyes and the highlighted ones. ALSO we taken out the stupid translucent yellow pieces on the waist, are you happy?
We also now give you the options to have the headlights painted or not painted.

Hell yes. Was it that difficult?

MP-10 did not wowed me one bit, it looks like an action figure. This was where I was actually deciding whether I wanted to continue collecting Masterpiece line as they went with the tight budget no paint route.

Holding Sunstreaker, it actually outshines a lot of previous masterpieces.

DaptoDog 27th February 2018 09:48 AM

I have to say I have been impressed with the + releases so far in terms of the robot mode. Particularly Sideswipe, everything just pops compared to the original. You can still keep the originals in alt mode where they still shine (provided one has the requisite space).

So I welcome this news, though I'm not desperate for an updated MP-10.

Robzy 27th February 2018 11:34 AM

Hope it's a brand new design. I would love a new Optimus that stands better alongside Megatron (and a new Starscream too!) as I much prefer the cartoon robot look.

Kranix 27th February 2018 12:21 PM

I'm a huge fan of MP-10. I have both Hasbro and Takara versions and like them both. I also am not into the strict toon look. I haven't liked any of the + releases so far. With this in mind I'm probably unlikely to purchase a v3 Prime.

However... I don't write it off. Takara can wow you, so I have an open mind as to whether I may pick this up. I may be blown away and have to buy it.

In general I feel I'm near the end of my Masterpiece journey. I'm really just hanging out for MP Jazz and Hound, perhaps a few others. While I loved MP Megatron, I can't seem to get into Sunstreaker and if they get more toon I don't think I can continue. I'm really hoping that the future MP Car bots are not too toon.

UltraMarginal 27th February 2018 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trent (Post 582622)
Who are these people, with apparently limitless money and space, that want new versions of figures that we have already got?

Not I, but that doesn't stop me buying new stuff I have nowhere to display.
I actually have to speed up my opening of toys so I can throw away the boxes to make space for the newer incoming ones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime (Post 582624)
There are collectors out there who have the bulk of their collection in storage and barely living within their means. Evidently not having enough space or money doesn't stop some people.

What's wrong with having a large part of your collection in storage? I only have limited display space and cycle toys around from time to time, just like every art collection/museum in the world.

One of these days we'll hopefully move from an apartment to a house and I'll have more room but I doubt I'll be able to display my entire collection still.



Do I need another MP Prime, not really. I love MP-01/04 and still have a version of each. I also have the Hasbro release of MP-10. At the time I thought the Takara price was insane unjustifiable. Like others here I'm not even sure MP-10 is the better toy. It has some better features but MP-01/04 is still outstanding to this day.

I kind of wish they had stayed using the MP-01/04 'scale' through to now and beyond. I have enjoyed pretty much every MP release, I don't know if the 'more animation accurate' direction the line has taken of late is the way to go. I do like the more griebly look of the earlier 'teen' Masterpiece toys.

Will I get another MP Optimus prime if they do it, probably. But I doubt I'll jump on the pre-order like I did for most other Masterpiece toys I have.

griffin 27th February 2018 09:19 PM

The interview with the Japanese Transformers design team that goes with that teaser image (in the JP hobby magazine Figure King), has been translated and posted here.

Ploughmans Lunch 27th February 2018 10:53 PM

New MP Convoy mold is released only as Pepsi Convoy as a FamilyMart exclusive and never used again.

philby 28th February 2018 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaptoDog (Post 582653)
I have to say I have been impressed with the + releases so far in terms of the robot mode. Particularly Sideswipe, everything just pops compared to the original.

It's nearly exactly the same 😳

DaptoDog 28th February 2018 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philby (Post 582748)
It's nearly exactly the same 😳

Well it is all subjective. The red paint on the + makes the original look really dull by comparison in my opinion. This combined with the improved head and swapping in white in certain areas like the feet made it worthwhile for me. Really didn't like the grey tyres though.

griffin 28th February 2018 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by griffin (Post 582699)
The interview with the Japanese Transformers design team that goes with that teaser image (in the JP hobby magazine Figure King), has been translated and posted here.

Scans have now been posted up as well.

Kranix 28th February 2018 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaptoDog (Post 582752)
Well it is all subjective. The red paint on the + makes the original look really dull by comparison in my opinion. This combined with the improved head and swapping in white in certain areas like the feet made it worthwhile for me. Really didn't like the grey tyres though.

I have the 2nd run of MP-12 so it has the same face as the + version and mine has really good paint but if you only had the first run I reckon the + version would be very tempting. Personally, I thought of picking it up because I love the MP-12 mold (I also have the 3rd release sitting in its box still plus G2 Sideswipe) but I couldn't get past the grey tyres and black back panel. I also think smoked windows work better on this guy.

Having said this, if by some random chance the + version becomes really cheap, I may pick it up.


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