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Bay hasn't decided if he'll come back yet. Who else could do it though?
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Bay hasn't decided if he'll come back yet. Who else could do it though?
I won't be a Michael Bay basher, but personally I'd like to see a reboot with another director and producer.
I think everyone knew this news would be coming sooner or later. Bay will be back he's not going to turn down a pay cheque like that. Shai on the other hand I doubt he'll return
Also it would be a pretty safe bet that any toys that were planned for dotm that didn't make it into production will for the fourth movie. I want my deluxe mirage and ha topspin
If avatar 2 wasn't due out then I'd happily spread that rumour
I don't think Hasbro are going to put up the money to hire a 'name' director.
Transformers is sold on its action scenes, not directorial flourishes.
Michael Bay will probably have an executive producer role, so they can still have his name on the screen (like flies to s**t, people seem to flock to his films).
Latest rumour: Neill Blomkamp will be doing an all-CG film based on fan favourite comic "Last Stand of the Wreckers".
*wakes up*
Latest rumour: Michael Bay comes back to the helm for Transformers 4: Dumber than Ever, and promises more sexy butt shots, a ridonk amount of lame humour and a story so weak you'll sell your entire Transformers collection out of pure shame!
And yet you'll all go and see it and feed the machine. :cool:
@5FDP: I'd love that, so very much but I can't see it happening either - Though if it does... :eek::D
Whoever directs it, I could care less as so long as it's entertaining and keeps Transformers in the minds of non-fanatical fans - I'm for it. ;):)
These movies have done more good than people give them credit for and All TF Fans have benefited from them immensely. :cool:
It has been confirmed Bay will direct, and it will be a 'reboot' of sorts?!?!
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit.../news/?a=54656
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Perhaps. ;) I saw RotF on the back of how enjoyable the first film was (which I watched 3 times at the cinema). I felt that RotF had the best action scenes out of all three movies but compared to the first film, it was a big letdown overall. Once they reached the desert things really started to drag. I saw it once at the cinema and that was more than enough. Once again, I saw DotM on the back of how good the first movie was, and how much I enjoyed the action scenes in RotF. Didn't enjoy this one at all. The action was so stupid at times (Starscream vs Sam anyone? Or Optimus dangling? Perhaps the completely unnecessary building collapsing scene which, while impressive on ILM's resume, ultimately adds nothing?) and so mind numbingly constant that I completely tuned out after a while. The humour was even worse than RotF (man I miss Bobby B) and it just went for ever and ever and ever.
So maybe I will see it, maybe I won't. I'll admit that when it comes to Transformers I am weak and am more likely to cave in and see it despite my better judgement. If it's given to a decent writer/director (I like the guys who fill both roles) then yes, absolutely I'll go and see it. If Michael Bay does end up doing TF4 I will probably drag myself there on cheap Tuesday. :p
I dunno about that Hursti. I know you aren't the biggest fan of the Animated aesthetic but I was pretty upset when the Animated toy line was cut short to make room for all the RotF stuff. :( There were even Animated toys that had been designed and readied for mass production that were cancelled.
Absolutely! Can't go wrong with the French masters. :D Would also love to see some super slow-mo action shots of Overlord ripping into the Autobots with this kind of music playing in the background. Ahh it's nice to dream isn't it. :p
I don't know how I feel about this. On the plus side I love the movie aesthetic and lore. On the downside TF3 was fairly terrible.
RotF gets a pass because most of that was written during the writers strike but TF3, while having a competent enough story (except really for that bit with the cosmonauts) was really poorly paced.
The first was good because the type of movie it was allowed it to build the pace slowly to a big climax/reveal at the end of the film, but by the second and third film its a given that the world knows about Transformers so they didn't really have to stay hidden for most of the first two acts.
On the plus side he got better at directing the Transformers action scenes as the movies went - by the third film he'd almost entirely dropped shaky cam in favour of fixed shots. So basically he needs a really good writer on board, and perhaps for Speilberg to crack the whip a bit.
It's official. Michael Bay will be directing TF4 which is set for release on June 29, 2014.
Makes sense to have a big film in the 30th Anniversary year after Hasbro said they'd be celebrating it. It does make me wonder if the toys they teased for 2014 will be movie toys though.
Given that Bay wants to keep Bumblebee and Optimus I hope 'reboot' means complete new looks for them. We don't need another set of merchandise/toys based on the designs from 2007.
But since every Decepticon name that's recognisable to a casual fan has been used and killed off, they'll struggle for bad guys. Galvatron is about all that's left. That's ok. Long live Galvatron!
and people were whinging that a Spiderman movie reboot was too soon :rolleyes:
If it's a reboot (please please with a cherry on top), I'd be much happier if everyone stopped calling it Transformers 4. :p
If Bay is still the director, it won't be much of a 're-imagining'. It will be the same sort of stuff as before as Bay doesn't know how to make much else. He is also just doing it as part of a deal so that the studios fund his own project. He won't put much effort in it since it is just a means to a completely unrelated end.
From the same guys who brought you the last three Transformers films comes...
Transformers: the Refartening!
Now with more toilet humor! More human screen time!! More gratuitous eye candy - but with a different lingerie model!!!*
We were so happy with how mixing a few old cartoon plots worked for DotM that this time we're going to mix even more together. Our working title for the script is: Surprise Party Carnage in B.O.T-Minor!
P.S. You all still like butts, right?
*Conflict of interest disclaimer: I quite like gratuitous eye candy and Rosie Huntington-Whatsherface was quite enjoyable as said.
Wow. What's with all the Bay haters? I'm so tired of hearing how "Michael Bay ruined my childhood memories" blah blah blah. AGH it drives me insane. You should be thanking him for bringing in so much money to the franchise that it will continue strong for many more years.
Compared to the end of Dark Of The Moon, a one-second final 'battle' where Optimus Prime kills Megatron in cold oil? Every Bay film so far has been leagues worse than Beast Machines. Compared to ROTF and DOTM, Beast Machines is a masterpiece. I have watched Beast Machines through from beginning to end several times and have never been able to stomach a Bay movie more than once. Beast Machines is intelligent, philosophical and actually about Transfomers, whereas the Bay movies are about humans and bodily functions.
So are you saying that no matter how poor a Transformers movie is, we should be thankful as long as it generates large volumes of cash for the franchise?
Either way, I couldn't care less about what happens outside of the films. Like any other movie, I'll judge it according to what happens on that silver screen for the 90+ minutes of run-time, without any Transformers fan bias. I don't hate Michael Bay (why would I?) but I did think RotF and DotM were very poor films.
His formula for Transformers films seems to be this: Spend a hell of a lot of money on special effects, so much so that it will gloss over any shortcomings in the script (this is the main attraction, like the 'hook' in a popular song). Second to this - add high profile actors, toilet humour and over-sexised women (we're really targeting a huge demographic now). Third? Profit!
The sequel formula? Make it BIGGER and BETTER (technically of course, not the script obviously). I'm talking more butt shots, more explosions, more ILM tech-demo's pasted in, so many Transformers on screen at once that little Timmy who could barely recognise who was who in TF1's head will be spinning so fast, he won't know what hit him.
Bring it on! I am happy with the news, even though I cringe through most of the movies I can just roll with it all. The highs and the lows of Transformers I liken to a toy soap opera and I am addicted. The Bayverse is just another interesting part of the fascinating Transformers brand and industry. So long as a movie, tv series or toy issue doesn't tank the entire brand and leave us with another Transformer hiatus then I can contain the rage, keep watching and do what the giant robuts tell me :eek:
I'm easily pleased, I'm just happy seeing gigantic robots on the big screen in a way that looks realistic, even though the toys are hideous. As long as Prime is back, I'm happy. I would also be keen to see Galvatron happen. Sometimes I daydream about what the animated movie would be like if done in the live action style.
Here is my plot prediction based on what we have seen so far from Bay:
- Annoying comedy moments with the latest uninspired actors.
- Some new bimbo who is only there for the porn shots but can't even act her few lines.
- The odd 1-3 second appearance of some non Bumblebee or Prime Autobot.
- About 1 or 2 minutes of Prime and Bumblebee acting completely out of character or saying mindless crap (Bee will just beep or something).
- Some Mcguffin that they need to take away from the Decepticons
- Megatron being slapped around by the latest unnecessary new villain.
- 50 minutes of a nonsensical badly cut action sequence in which Prime kills everybody that was just minding their own business (don't worry kids, they'll appear again in the next scene without explanation).
- The latest main human kid (or some other human) just looks at the villain or throws a rock or something killing him off screen.
- Prime walks by Megatron, kills him while he was just sitting down and then says a speech on how all life is sacred.
The End.
Post Movie:
Another failed toy line filled with Bumblebees and Primes that nobody wants but the moment something good is announced, it gets cancelled.
Then it's another rinse and repeat for the next movie...
You know what the crazy thing is? I will probably be spot on in what I predict in this completely sarcastic half assed post. We have seen it all before after all.
Bad timing... We didn't get a proper 25th Anniversary because all of Hasbro's resources were focused on TF2 toys and marketing (Hasbro even regretted not being able to do more to celebrate the toy Brand that year).
Now we're going to be getting another anniversary year focusing on the current year's "big thing" - which is right in the middle of the year, limiting options for releasing Anniversary-themed packaging/series before or after it. (each Movie has had toys out by April/May, with almost nothing in the months leading up to it to give retailers time to clear their shelves... and the movie season of toys goes right through past the end of the year). A commemorative series is either going to be cut back to a small number of items or a shiny silver label on the side of the current packaging (like in 2009), or passed off to a dedicated toystore (TRU) as an exclusive, due to there being too much product for one year for the regular retailers.
I'm going to be getting my fill of Generations in the next two years, because I'm not looking forward to 2014, toywise.
So, it's less bad (well, actually not really) than what's widely acknowledged to be one of the worst plot points in TF lore, so it must be good?
By that reasoning, getting kicked is the balls in less bad than having terminal cancer, so you must like getting kicked in the balls. I mean, c'mon, tell me it's worse than getting terminal cancer.
But, you inadvertently raise a fair point: it's all too easy to hate on Bayformers without having a good reason or twelve. Here's a few of mine.
1: The designs are ugly.
They really are. I'll pay that something like this just wouldn't cut it for a live-action movie, but then neither does the shattered-mirror-crossed-with-a-cockroach-crossed-with-a-porcupine-crossed-with-vomit Bay look IMO.
2: They're poorly written.
I don't need Shakespeare from a TF movie, but basic plot consistency would be nice. Or even just a little characterisation, like say "Oh no, Sentinel Prime just killed my oldest friend Ironhide. I, Optimus Prime, am sad about this."
Just give me a decent action flick about transforming robots who fight each other, and a decent accompanying toyline, and that's all I ask. Here's the plot for Bay, already written:
That's it. That's all you need for a Transformers movie.Quote:
There are two races of alien transforming robots, the good Autobots and the evil Decepticons. They're on Earth for some reason, maybe because they need energy or something. They fight.
As things stand, even Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt had a better story.
3: Stupid toilet humour.
The irony of my listing this as a con after linking to a Panty and Stocking clip isn't lost on me, but...you don't need it, and it detracts from the movies. Or at least it would, if they weren't crap.
4: The female leads are just eye candy.
OK, actually I don't mind this one. That said, it'd be nice to see a female lead who was more than just eye candy, and maybe one who could act.
4: Michael Bay has stupid-looking hair.
5: Not enough robot airtime.
See the quote above. Robots fighting. That's what I want to see in a Transformers movie. Not "Same and Mikaela run through a desert", not "AHAHAHAH DER FUNNY SMALL ROBOT IS HUMPING DER HOT CHICK LEG", just robots + fight.
I could go on (and on), but the simple fact is they're not very good movies, even for the mindless action flicks they are. I'm just glad we get a few decent toys out of it.
I'm not gonna answer ALL this hate but I will give you a few facts and some opinions.
*4th highest grossing film to date
*Bayformers are so ugly because they don't look like G1? G1 was kick arse, in the 80's and 90's when I was a kid. I really like te realistic look of Bayformers (minus the horror that is starscream)
*You can't tell me there weren't huge inconsistencies in all the cartoons (ie Megatron made the Constructicons who made Megatron)
*There are many TF universes where a lot of different stuff happens, in one Unicron has conquered basically everything.... So how is that Transformers
*I think DOTM was well written. Sure there's toilet humour but kids love that. I'd have liked to see Optimus get sad over Ironhides death... But he didn't seem too phased in the 86 movie about it. Granted he did only have a short while to live. While I'm on that movie (which I love) where the f%#k did Hot Rod come from.... and why did he get te matrix! And why did they make out Ultra Magnus to be such a wimpy easy kill when he's supposed to be this bad ass leader of the wreckers?
Anyway that'll do us for the minute as I'm already late for work.
DOTM poll currently says that over 73% of our members think DOTM is good to excellent.... :-)
Hmmm... this thread is like a 'wash, rinse, repeat' of the TF2 and TF3 movie announcements :rolleyes: Haters will always hate ;)
Face it; you're all going to see it anyway which is going to contribute to Bays already fat wallet and the reason why he keeps coming back for more. You're all sending him mixed messages and in fact are contributing to the very problem you argue so vehemently about.
Time to move on people...
Just hope the new movie will be based on the last 3. If I see a Beast Machine, or some other obscure excuse for a Transformer, I won't be happy. Bays done a brilliant job with the movies and he should be thanked.
I was able to not go and see DotM based on the awfulness of TF2.
I still have no motivation to watch it.
Thanks for the facts and opinions.:) Here are some more.
See, I don't hate Michael Bay or Bayformers. I dislike them. There's a big difference, namely that Bay and Bayformers are a movie director and series of toys/movie characters. Put simply, they're just toys and a few movies, and thus not important enough to hate.
If Michael Bay was a genocidal dictator who'd kicked my dog and slept with my girlfriend, then maybe I'd hate him. As it is I just don't like it.*Titanic is the second-highest grossing film of all time, and I didn't like that either.
*IMO Bayformers aren't ugly because they're not G1, they're ugly because they're ugly in their own right. They're spiky and insectoid, with faces that look like Munsch tried drawing a pug's behind while wearing broken glasses. It is possible to do figures that don't look G1-esque but don't resemble Freddy Kreuger and Edward Scissorhands putting on a sock puppet show.
For the record, I really liked the Animated designs, am quite enjoying the Prime look, and reckon the new WFC stuff (mostly) looks pretty sweet too. Not very G1esque, but still good IMO.
Which is, y'know, just my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, we're allowed to like different things.:)
*True, the G1 'toon had terrible consistency too. What that means is that they're both bad in terms of consistency. One bad thing does not another bad thing good make.
*See above. Transformers series in general aren't exactly a masterpiece of storytelling, being basically just big toy commercials. I've just come up with my own personal backstory/universe.
*I think it was terribly written. But it's OK, we can chill out over this. We're allowed to have different opinions. That's why you're one of the 71% who voted good/excellent and I'm not.
I think the other points can be explained by Optimus not knowing about Ironhide's death specifically and being in the middle of a massive battle at the time, and Ultra Magnus being the leader of the Wreckers in a different continuity stream (namely not the G1 cartoon). Hot Rod I assume was created by a wizard, like all the cartoon Movie and post-Movie TFs.
Gotta go to work myself. Hope we can continue this in a nice, friendly manner later - it's been fun so far.:)
It is very narrow minded to think that someone doesn't like Bayformers just because it's not like the G1 cartoon.
A lot of people don't like Bayformers simply because they are awful movies.
I thought the movies have gotten better. Ther first was crap with Transformers only recieving about 30 minutes (I was bored so I timed it) screen time. DOTM was a let down but wasn't a dismal flop. I take them for what they are. Truth is they need to cater to a wide demographic and unfortunatly us fans only make up a small percentage. Just look at the toy section at your local store for proof of this.
The movies have also done harm to Transformers. Animated, while it has it's haters, was a well thought out story line and an incredible toyline that for the most part mirrored their screen appearance. This line got cancelled for ROTF. I for one would have liked to see more.
At the same time no store I've been to in months has any new stock worth buying. Upcoming toys that would have been refreshing after all the Optimus and Bumblebee toys have now been cancelled and are going for extortionate prices online.
Everyones entitled to their opinions and defend them.