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    A little late to the game -- but I'd like to come in and point out some of the things we'd lose if we lost Bay. They're pretty big things for me -- and things I think would be REALLY bad for the series.

    1) MILITARY HARDWARE.
    Michael Bay has an INCREDIBLE relationship with the American military. Whatever else you might say about him, he loves the American military and they love him. Good *GOD* the Transformers movies have benefited from this.

    Take a look at other contemporary movies with lots of hardware. So much CGI, often UGLY-arse CGI. Hulk, and IRon Man both had to use CGI versions of vehicles that Bay got FOR REAL in both movies. Transformers is SO MUCH about the hardware, you GOTTA appreciate that Bay actually gets that hardware up on screen for us.

    2) HE KNOWS HOW TO FILM A CAR.
    Bay knows how light should reflect on a car. His influence on the special effects simply can't be denied. The wonderfully realistic look REEKS of Bay's influence -- the way the light sits PERFECTLY on the car parts even when they're moving. That is Bay.

    Bay *LOVES* cars and military hardware and vehicles and he KNOWS how to film them. I wish he'd slow his camera down a bit, but still... it would be sad to lose his eye for cars.

    3) BAY BELIEVES TRANSFORMERS SHOULD HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOUR.
    I don't AGREE with Bay's sense of humour all the time. I think he went far too crass in the second movie with certain bits and pieces... but god damn it's a relief that he lets you have laughs while you're watching your giant robots. There's so many fanboy films with NO SENSE OF HUMOUR AT ALL. Take a look at Terminator IV, or X-men 3, or Wolverine, or... hell even the SPIDERMAN TRILOGY. They're so lacking in a sense of fun humour that when they DO make jokes it's kinda jarring.

    The fact is that Transformers is absurd -- and Bay sorta revels in that.

    4) BAY LIKES TO DO THINGS FOR REAL INSTEAD OF JUST USING CGI.
    Sure there, is a LOT of CGI in Transformers... but... in the first movie BAY ACTUALLY BLEW UP A BUS. Any other director would have just made the entire Bonecrusher sequence CGI and it would have SUCKED. BAY ACTUALLY BLEW UP A BUS.

    I cannot repeat that often enough. MICHAEL BAY ACTUALLY BLEW UP A GODDAMN BUS.

    5) COLOUR.
    It's funny -- the Transformers toyline for the movie looks so bleakly MONOTONE compared to other TF toylines... not so the movie.

    Modern blockbusters LOVE colour correction, large, important films will colour-correct the HELL out of things. One of my BIGGEST complaints about the Lord of the Rings films was that they were SO DAMNED GREY. There wasn't the rich sense of a COLOUR FILLED world like you got from the books. The new Terminator film, the Batman films, the X-men films. So many movies sapped of all colour.

    A different director might have made all the TFs stock grey and shot nearly everything at night to hide the CGI effects. Bay didn't. Bay EMBRACED the colour -- the environments are colourful, the characters are colourful, the whole movie is ALIVE and VIBRANT with colour.

    Could you imagine how bleak Transformers could be done by Peter Jackson in his horribly monochrome Lord of the Rings style? Eeeeeyuck.

    --Jhiaxus
    (Don't get me wrong -- I think that Revenge of the Fallen was deeply flawed, but you know what? A lot of the things I *LOVED* About it were only there BECAUSE we had Bay as a director.)

    (BAY ACTUALLY BLEW UP A GODDAMN BUS.)

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    Make Bay the DP and get a REAL director who can handle a little (but important!) thing called "characters"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gutsman Heavy View Post
    Make Bay the DP and get a REAL director who can handle a little (but important!) thing called "characters"
    I dunno if I can think of a director who'd do much better, honestly. I think what he really needs is:
    a) A better editor
    b) To work from a full script.
    c) Spielberg to keep his heavy hand as producer.

    That's what the real problem is -- it's that the movie was clearly started without a finished script. I think if Bay actually had a finished, well-refined script in his hands when he started Transformers III there would be no better director.

    Spielberg's heavy hand also wasn't as present in Transformers II to its detriment.

    And damn it all to hell we need a better editor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jhiaxus View Post
    I dunno if I can think of a director who'd do much better, honestly. I think what he really needs is:
    a) A better editor
    b) To work from a full script.
    c) Spielberg to keep his heavy hand as producer.

    That's what the real problem is -- it's that the movie was clearly started without a finished script. I think if Bay actually had a finished, well-refined script in his hands when he started Transformers III there would be no better director.

    Spielberg's heavy hand also wasn't as present in Transformers II to its detriment.

    And damn it all to hell we need a better editor.
    Given Bay's standard style of work and priorities - Without someone's heavy hand he would still butcher a well written script into what we saw in ROTF. For Bay, plot and characters come distantly after Action, SFX and explosions. In the minuscule instances when he did care for story and characters, he did it very poorly or gimmicky.

    Bay was infamous for the things we have seen in ROTF well before he even did TF1, the difference being that before he was more restrained by several factors in the movie industry (studio, producers, etc) but now he has been given full reign and it truly shows what a hack director he is and where the flaws of the first movie actually came from as here they are the same but x10000.

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    Note - for anyoen asking why Movie dev has 2 yellow legs (instead of one yellow, one green as int he movie) I was using the original character concept art as reference, which does have 2 yellow legs. I don’t think this is available online anywhere, so I can’t post it up to show you guys.
    Heh, I was wondering why Long Haul was yellow. Perhaps his concept version is French, cos he's-a-peein'!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    Heh, I was wondering why Long Haul was yellow. Perhaps his concept version is French, cos he's-a-peein'!
    It's you're-o-peein'

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    Sure does. This says it all for me...

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