DOTM - not excited? [possible spoils]

[BlackConvoy]

Actually, there were lots of incidents that occured since the discovery of the "Ice Man,"

I was more referring to the bi-plane, model-t photos Simmons had in his files. Sector 7 only referred to MBE-1, seemed surprised to see other robots around the place. I don't seem to remember any nazis in the movies, maybe I missed something

Do we know if Soundwave was floating around in Earth orbit during the events of the first film, or did he arrive some time after?

This is true.. but again, given the time the Decepts have been hanging around, it seemed strange. Maybe they had to thaw out Megs before the smarts of "operation matrix fairy dust" really took off.

Not if it's inactive and not giving out any signals, energy signatures etc.

Also true, but from the trailer the ship looked pretty big. Given all the robots in the second movie, I'd imagine one would say "whats going on over there?"

the original Fallen character from Neo-G1

I hoped it was something clever, Megatron falling in the first, getting his revenge and all that. Not literally a guy called 'Fallen'. Reminds me of 'Attack of the Clones'.

I think Weaving Megatron is fine.

I think Cullen spent too many years as a donkey

A bit too much free reign perhaps.

Agreed... when compared with something like the IDW comics or War for Cybertron..... I guess I'm spoiled.

I wish Hasbro wouldn't approve Transformers for the film that they have no intention of making toys of.

Classic example.... Arcee

Alice was the only good bit in the film. She needs a toy.

Realdolls? >.>

Comparing Beast Wars to the G1 cartoon is like comparing apples and rotten orange peel.

Apples and rotten oranges still grow on trees... I was comparing character development, that is all

[shokwave2]

Bay blamed the writer's strike for the quality of ROTF. What will he blame if DOTM suffers the same fate?

I enjoyed how the Autobots have war-hardened in ROTF. If they were still defensive and least likely to kill a decepticon, it would be a boring film. It would just be two and a half hours of Autobots running and hiding. They've stepped up coz they're sick of getting their arses kicked. I hope this final film is to the death. I want bodies (robots and humans) all over the ground. I want destruction. Maybe a handful of bots left by the end. Make it memorable. Make it shock(wave) the audience

[Demonac]

I can't believe ppl are justifying cold blooded murder by the 'good guys'!
War hardened is one thing. Shooting a bot in the face that is obviously incapacitated is another.
It was done purely to make Prime into a 'bad ass'. It doesn't. It makes him a sociopath.
Optimus Prime should not be Mr. Blonde.

[BlackConvoy]

I can't believe ppl are justifying cold blooded murder by the 'good guys'!

I agree.. they did plenty of running and hiding in the TV series. ROTF its more the Decepticons are running and hiding and the Autobots are searching the planet for any life signs, then going straight in for the kill.

Prime's execution of a fleeing Demolishor, and I still can't believe Ravage had his spine ripped out.

Cold-blooded (in a robot?) murder in a Decepticon makes sense. They're supposed to be the bad guys that tried to enslave the planet a number of times in the cartoons - this is what the Autobots should protect against, not arbitrarily exterminate.

BC

[Doubledealer]

Guys, guys, guys....This isn't your daddy's Transformers. It's a different interpretation of the Transformers universe including changes to certain characters personalities (look at Jetfire ferchrisakes!), so if you can't handle that then I suggest going home and crying to mumma.

I don't actually believe Prime was being unbotmane anyway. He basically had to totally **** Demolishor up before he would stop killing you, your family and your little pet Catilla too. What was he meant to do with the fubar, no doubt beyond repair Demolishor once he was finally stopped? "Oh come on guys, he's 10 times our height and weighs the same as a small country but come on, let's muck together and carry him home where we can start on the repairs!" *cue BB shooting himself in the face*

Yes, the execution itself may have seemed a bit psycho at the time but Prime's all about saving humanity and just witnessed hundreds of human lives go down the proverbial. Can you blame him for being a bit pissed?

[twisted_belly]

Guys, guys, guys....This isn't your daddy's Transformers. It's a different interpretation of the Transformers universe including changes to certain characters personalities (look at Jetfire ferchrisakes!)

+1

[Robzy]

My hatred was rather well documented at the SA meets (Ranting lunatic is probably an understatement)

Great guys... you got him started. Everyone get comfy! Listen, and understand... The Gutsmanator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until Bay is dead.

My general distaste for ROTF can be summed up as such.

Devastator was killed by an off-screen cannon.

OFF
SCREEN
CANNON

Weak man, f'ing weak.

I've told you this a million times, but will say it again... you, sir, are a genius!

Optimus Prime should not be Mr. Blonde.

QFT!

Guys, guys, guys....This isn't your daddy's Transformers. It's a different interpretation of the Transformers universe including changes to certain characters personalities

Thank God for that! I would be embarrassed showing ROTF to a Newbie as the only representation of everything I love about Transformers.

[Fonecrusher]

Guys, guys, guys....This isn't your daddy's Transformers. It's a different interpretation of the Transformers universe including changes to certain characters personalities (look at Jetfire ferchrisakes!), so if you can't handle that then I suggest going home and crying to mumma.

I don't actually believe Prime was being unbotmane anyway. He basically had to totally **** Demolishor up before he would stop killing you, your family and your little pet Catilla too. What was he meant to do with the fubar, no doubt beyond repair Demolishor once he was finally stopped? "Oh come on guys, he's 10 times our height and weighs the same as a small country but come on, let's muck together and carry him home where we can start on the repairs!" *cue BB shooting himself in the face*

Yes, the execution itself may have seemed a bit psycho at the time but Prime's all about saving humanity and just witnessed hundreds of human lives go down the proverbial. Can you blame him for being a bit pissed?

Well said,

It's true ROTF sucked Devastator's very large balls, but I will defend the right for Prime or any other Autobot to kill Decepticons, even in a execution style manner. The Decepticons in the movieverse are unlike anything we have ever seen, they are far more sadistic and brutal then any other universe I know, they won't think twice about gutting a Autobot for the fun of it.

Perhaps the movie comics probably demonstrate this better than the actual movies themselves I guess: Demolisher slaughtered entire Autobot settlements on Cybertron, besides probably killing a load of people in China, he got what was coming to him, perhaps that factored in to Prime's decision to kill him?

Megatron is commiting mass genocide on his own people, the Autobots are on the verge of extinction. This is a war, at some point you gotta pick up a gun and start shooting, stop being a victim and start being a soldier.

[Paulbot]

I can't believe ppl are justifying cold blooded murder by the 'good guys'!

+1

Yes in films the good guys sometimes have to kill the bad guys (or allow them to die). It happens. It even happens in most Disney animated films! But shooting a defeated opponent, and one that was causing no trouble until you showed up to kill him, isn't what you expect outside a film about the Punisher.

Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, right? Someone said that once. I thought it was Prime. I prefer to believe that the robot Prime shot in the head was just another of the dozens or more mindless drone constructicons, like the ones that appear later, rather than a living sentient Transformer.

[Sky Shadow]

DEMOLISHOR: I know you're not going to kill me, Optimus. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, right?

<BLAM!>

PRIME: Now you're free, bitch.