What colours are Frenzy and Rumble (FIRRIB?)

[kup]

Bit uncalled for don't you think Kup?

Not if the following post after yours is anything to go by

It was a joke, you know - Haha.

This topic has always been very silly because the answer has always relied on context of the medium just as Sky Shadow has rightfully and repeatedly said.

If you are talking about the cartoon and say that Frenzy is blue then you are wrong.

If you are talking about the G1 toys or most comics (and almost all else) and say that Frenzy is red, then you are wrong.

Cartoon fans will always say that Frenzy is red and that is fine because they are correct - In the cartoon Frenzy is red and that is all they are usually referring to when they mention it. Not a difficult concept and certainly not worth arguing or getting worked up about as it's pretty straightforward - In the end it is most likely that your preference will be right within the appropriate context.

In the event that due to one's appreciation for the cartoon desires to call a red G1 Rumble, Frenzy then that's your choice as you have chosen to override the official name which you have a right to do since it's your toy. This is a personal choice which one should not need to argue about because it was your choice to go against the official name and one shouldn't expect all to follow a personal preference.

[dirge]

Can of worms here - this one has proven to be perhaps the most unresolvable argument about Transforfmers. I'll refrain from adding my 2c in. Please keep it civil lest this topic be locked.

[GoktimusPrime]

If you are talking about the cartoon and say that Frenzy is blue then you are wrong.

Unless you're watching the Japanese dub, in which case you'd be right! (FIBRIR)

This is a personal choice which one should not need to argue about because it was your choice to go against the official name and one shouldn't expect all to follow a personal preference.

It's not even a personal choice...

G1 cartoon (Anglophone) = Rumble is blue: fact
G1 cartoon (Japanese) = Rumble is red: fact
G1 toys = Rumble is red: fact
G1 comics = Rumble is red: fact
G1 Ladybird books = Rumble is red: fact
In the majority of mediums = Rumble is red: fact
...etc.

So is it FIRRIB or FIBRIR? Depends on what you're looking at. That should effectively be the end of the argument, really.

Then there's Stargate Battles, printed in black and white and Frenzy has piledrivers like Rumble -- I can't tell them apart!

[Tober]

[FatalityPitt]

I don't know what you guys were talking about 8 or 9 years ago, because to me Frenzy is and will always be a maroon-coloured Porsche

I'm kidding of course, though that was the Frenzy toy I had as a kid. I never had the original, didn't even know what it looked like until I googled it in my early-20s.

I've started to struggle with this a bit lately tbh. I like the Frenzy character a little more than Rumble (not to take anything from Rumble, who's also pretty cool), and I recently got a new toy of Frenzy that's blue and says 'Frenzy' on the box. But whenever I look at it, I keep thinking of it as Rumble even though my formula has been "if it says 'Rumble' on the package, it's Rumble". It's like I've watched the G1 cartoon so many times that I can't un-see the blue Rumble and red Frenzy.

[GoktimusPrime]

[Sinnertwin]

*schnip*

[Bidoofdude]

Well it depends on the media. Though the G1 Frenzy toy is blue, there is no denying that he is red in the English cartoon. It honestly doesn't matter, and most media that draw inspiration from either the cartoon or comic or toyline should reflect the one they draw on the most.

For example, if a new animated movie was based mostly off the aesthetics and everything of the G1 cartoon, then Rumble should be blue and Frenzy red. If the relation is relatively loose and the designs/concepts of the new media have little to do with a particular incarnation of old, then you'd probably make Rumble red for sake of consistency.

[Dan]

Frenzy is blue in the 1986 movie? What!

I just assume they were identical to who they are in the cartoon. Who first cracks the shell, then cracks the nuts inside?

[GoktimusPrime]

Frenzy is blue in the 1986 movie? What!

You need to read the text not just look at the pics. Rumble is blue (well, purple) in the Sunbow cartoon, but in the Toei anime (i.e. the Japanese dub of the G1 cartoon plus original Japanese series) never had that error. The purple/blue cassette robot was always called Frenzy in Japan, and the black/red robot was Rumble.

In the 20th Century the US G1 cartoon was the only Transformers medium that got Frenzy and Rumble's colours wrong. Every other media had it the right way around. So as far as the original G1 continuity is concerned, FIRRIB is only true for the Anglophone cartoon and nothing else. In the 21st Century we've had a small number of media emulate the Anglophone cartoon with FIRRIB, but as you can see the majority still stick with the original RIRFIB (which is technically more G1 accurate since the toys came first).