Canon

[Verno]

I'd like to think by accident. The idea of the Beast Wars being some "foretold destiny" to bring organic elements back to Cybertron is just lame.[/i]

You don't think anything in BW had been foretold? Lets not forget the Covenant of Primus. It was giving a pretty good version of the end of the BW in some pretty good detail.

I like to think the Covenant (meaning promise or vow with a god) of Primus gives an outline of the change into the TransTech future, beginning with the BW guys bringing Transmetal technology back to Cybertron, Unicron returning and Primus dying etc (see Vernoverse for more details)

[LordCyrusOmega]

No, I meant the Beast Machines. If the Maximals lost in that series it would open the way for Trans Tech. Everything else is spot on.

The Covenant of Primus wasn't a foretelling, it was more of a history book. Because they travelled back in time they're exploits in the Beast Wars were recorded though they didn't know it was a history lesson nutil they actually wen back in time. Time Travel does my head in.

I like the concept of how they were meant to bring back Transmetal technology rather then organic life. Going back to that shared state does seem like de-evolution but also is about restoring the balance

[Verno]

No, I meant the Beast Machines. If the Maximals lost in that series it would open the way for Trans Tech. Everything else is spot on.

If the Maximals lost BM, then there would be no one to fight Megatron. Megatron already had Cheetor's, Rattrap's etc sparks, and only left Optimus to fight him. If Optimus had lost, then it was game over. There were no other bots around to take up arms.

[theheretic]

What about off world autobots such as the junkions? A few of those with optimus at command could free some random sparks (I'd leave rattrap, LOL). Or alternatively you could bring back a fan favourite in (wait for it) Waspinator. Having been left on earth he could have stayed hidden with a covenant of primus (perhaps stolen from the heavily damaged nemesis) to read for millions of years and possibly begin to understand, making him a sort of new Alpha Trion (like from the WFC exodus book). He could return to cybertron at just the right moment having knowledge of what he needed to do from the covenant and having perfected his own transformations from studying the book. These are only ideas I'm rolling off the top of my head remember so probably flawed by other series events.

[Verno]

He could read the Covenant on his long flight home

[theheretic]

He could read the Covenant on his long flight home

True. I was more thinking that he's left on Earth millions of years in the past so be could hang out there for a while with his reading material. He could even check out some G1 action take place first hand and being from their distant future he could probably evade detection completely. Whose to say Waspinator wasn't present for all of the events of G1 and so on.

EDIT: And it would be kinda nice seeing Waspinator become a very intelligent and resourceful Transformer as he was always a bit behind everyone else. Nothing a few million years couldn't fix

[1orion2many]

Meh it's all to anarchic now that's why I don't really read any of the comics at the moment. BM Rattrap was an abomination, talk about completely destroying a character from his original BW form, He must have a severe personality disorder. I don't have a lot to say about canon or the like as it annoys me that there really isn't anything that you can call continuity. It's like they had a room for a story ideas, posted them up on the walls, ceiling and floor then threw a super ball, whatever it hit was going to get a go in the TF universe

[Verno]

BM = Character assassination.

It wasn't just Rattrap. Blackarachnia was probably the ONLY one that didn't get screwed character 'development' wise.

I'm all for character development. Look at Cheetor in BW. But when you betray the fundamental characteristics of a character, that's not good in my books.