Canon

[Sky Shadow]

Whats an 'Underbase'?

It's very much like the live-action movies' Allspark - a bigass cubelike thing that's flying through space and full of knowledge and power. Except it was from the G1 comics twenty years before the films.



Interestingly, Underbase energy affected Transformers in similar way to Beast Wars energon. That is, Transformers with organic shells or organic components were protected, while 'normal' geewun Transformers tended to be killed by it. A lot. (It killed Jetfire, Bluestreak, Brawn, Gears, Goldbug, Mirage, Hoist, Hound, Jazz, Blaster, Nautilator, Seawing, Snaptrap, Skalor, Overbite, Tentakil, Chase, Goldbug, Freeway, Searchlight, Rollbar, Wideload, Slag, Swoop, Snarl, Sludge, Divebomb, Razorclaw, Tantrum, Rampage, Headstrong, Grimlock, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw, Octane, Silverbolt, Skydive, Slingshot, Air Raid, Fireflight, Astrotrain, Blitzwing, Prowl, Strafe, Scattershot, Lightspeed, Nosecone, Afterburner, Hun-Grrr, Rippersnapper, Blot, Cutthroat, Sinnertwin, Omega Supreme, Ratbat, Thundercracker and Skywarp, but left the 'organic' Transformers alive.)

[Verno]

Wow, nice death toll then. Did it prompt Pretender shells or something? Or were they already in existance?

[Sky Shadow]

Wow, nice death toll then. Did it prompt Pretender shells or something? Or were they already in existance?

The Pretenders were some of the survivors. The next issue featured the Pretender Beasts for the first time in the US comics.

[Demonac]

The Underbase was a way to eliminate all these characters who no longer had toys on shelves.
The other Underbase survivors were those that were binary bonded to Nebulons (Target & Head masters).

[Verno]

I see, I see, all very interesting.

So we know the Maximals tried to replicate or recreate Starscream's immortal spark with Protoform X, how do you think they might have tried that? We can't recreate the Underbase again to throw at another 'bot.

I'm thinking it may have something to do with prolonged raw energon exposure, or something.

How does that relate to Starscream?

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Yeah I don't know. Maybe his is just a fluke of nature.

How they reproduced that immortal spark though? Perhaps through Budding?

Budding came from before the time of Sparks, but we must assume that the spark is either split or divided or something.

Perhaps the Maximals got their hands on Starscream's spark and tried to 'Bud' it or split it, and the shard that broke off was Rampage's spark, which grew with the power it was fed.

Rampage's spark was shown to be durable enough to survive being split, perhaps its originator, Starscream's, was the same.

[DELTAprime]

This is just my opinion on what I regard as canon.

--G1--

The way I see it we have too many continuity problems in the G1 cartoon to have a set-in-stone canon. For instance, did Megatron create the Constructicon's or did the Constructicon's create Megatron?

The comics are each there continuity as far as I'm concerned.

Beast Wars is better with the canon. It does start to answer some of the questions surrounding what is and isn't canon in the G1 continuity. But at the same time it makes the idea that Primus created the Transformers the correct origin story, but that means the Quitisons didn't create the Transformers, discounting G1 season 3.

G1 is a mess and nothing anyone says should be canon unless Hasbro ever decides to go back and make some G1 canon with a new G1 based show.

--After G1-Pre Movie--

RiD onwards I regard what happens on screen as canon for those series, if you take in the comics, games, ect there are continuity errors from what I understand.

--Movie--

There are some minor continuity problems if you include the IDW comics, but nothing too major, no worse than Star Trek or Star Wars has in there Extended Universe's. But the other media like games and even toys introduce problems and need to be disregarded or they make a mess of the whole thing.

--Animated and Prime--

With Animated Hasbro really seemed to nail down there continuity, everything seems to fit in well together. And with Prime the fact that they have a game (War For Cybertron) as official canon for it setting up the universe and so far it hasn't being contradicted is really nice to see.

[theheretic]

It would be easier for Hasbro to start a new 'canon' universe (as they may well be doing with WFC) than try to correct all the mistakes made through all the different series and media of the past. And if they tried to correct conflicts of events IE who came first megatron or constructicons then which ever way they were to go they would upset fans as I'm sure there would be hard cores on each side of that fence. I like to think of G1 as more of a war story and that each episode isn't so much as us watching it happen but a retelling of events and in that way it's perceptual and not stone cold facts. Which can solve most problems by simply by realising that the story teller has altered the facts or that they believed this was the way it happened.

Also, I just finished watching BeastMachines. What a S%^ ending. Just the worst eeevvvveeeerrrrrr!

[theheretic]

Oh and just to touch lightly (not like that!) on a subject;

Primus and the Quints - I took it that yes the Quintessons did create the Transformers. Probably chose cybertron in the first place as it may have resembled their home planet at the time they discovered it or may have been detected as a massive power source, hence why they were always so desperate to recover the planet. However it was Primus that gave them life, turned them into more than just machines, gave them their 'spark.' The Quints just provided the body's and gave them knowledge

[Verno]

Primus could have created the early Transformers as a species that had to grow and evolve on their own. He went to sleep, and then the Quints arrived and enslaved the early Transformers. They throw them off with an uprising and herald in the Golden Age of Cybertron.

The early Transformers may simply have been robotic. The Quints may have issued them with the power to Transform to do their slave work.

[GoktimusPrime]

Primus created Cybertron and the Transformers species, however it's possible that when the Quintessons took over Cybertron, they also enslaved the existing Cybertronian population and then overtook the manufacturing of new slaves (thus the new generations were made by Quintessons as per their specifications - military hardware and consumer goods).

A3 (Alpha Trion) was one of the original 13 Transformers created by Primus - thus he wasn't manufactured by Quintessons. However it's possible that he was enslaved by the Quintessons. Perhaps it is because of his non-Quintesson origins that he helped to lead the rebellion against the Quintesson slavers.

The early Transformers may simply have been robotic. The Quints may have issued them with the power to Transform to do their slave work.

The ability to transform was something that Primus instilled in the Original 13 -- mimicking Unicron's ability to change form. Having said that, it's possible that the Quintessons may have made modifications; e.g. introduction of drivers/pilot compartments. Transformers don't need pilot compartments, but perhaps it was for the benefit for the Quintessons' clientele.