The G1 Classicsverse Checklist thread!

[GoktimusPrime]

(from here)

Is there a list somewhere that checks off the first 3 years of TFs toys done in the Classicverse line? (to help narrow down the list of potentials)

Let's find out! I'm not going to list every version of each Classicsverse mould, so I'm just going to list one. e.g. "Classics Optimus Prime" also includes Henkei Convoy etc. - same mould.

[+] = "true" Classicsverse mould (i.e. explicitly created to fit into the line)
[+] = repaints of "true" Classicsverse moulds where it's debatable over how well they work as that new character, e.g. red Bumblebee as Cliffjumper
[/] = "faux" Classicsvese mould (i.e. non-Classicsverse mould repurposed into the line)
[-] = no Classicsverse toy available
[?] = debatable
[R] = bloody rare "True" Classicsverse mould
[R] = bloody rare redecos of "True" Classicsverse moulds
[r] = bloody rare redecos of "Faux" Classicsverse moulds

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1984
[+] Optimus Prime = Yes! (Classics, Ultimate Battle, RtS)
[+] Bluestreak = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Jazz = Yes! (Universe, RtS)
[+] Hound = Yes! (Universe Legends, Universe DLX)
[+] Ironhide = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Mirage = Yes! (Classics)
[+] Prowl = Yes! (Universe, RtS)
[+] Ratchet = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Sideswipe = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Sunstreaker = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Trailbreaker = Yes! (RtS Trailcutter)
[+] Wheeljack = Yes! (Generations)
[+] Brawn = Yes! (Universe)
[+] Bumblebee = Yes! (Classics DLX, Classics Legends, Universe)
[-] Bumblejumper = No
[+] Cliffjumper = Yes! (Classics DLX, Henkei Legends)
[-] Gears = No
[r][/] Huffer = Yes (Timelines)
[+] Windcharger = Yes! (RtS)
[+] Megatron = Yes! (Classics, RtS)
[?][/] Soundwave = Maybe (if you count the Hasbro reissue)
[-] Buzzsaw = No
[?][/] Laserbeak = Maybe (if you count the Hasbro reissue)
[R] Frenzy = Yes (United) :/
[+] Ravage = Yes! (Universe)
[R] Rumble = Yes (United) :/
[+] Skywarp = Yes (Classics)
[+] Starscream = Yes (Classics), [?] Masterpiece
[+] Thundercracker = Yes (Timelines)

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1985
[/] Blaster = Yes (Universe)
[+] Jetfire = Yes (Classics)
[-] Omega Supreme = No
[+] Grapple = Yes (RtS Grappel)
[-] Hoist = No
[+] Inferno = Yes (Universe)
[+] Red Alert = Yes (Generations)
[-] Skids = No
[+] Smokescreen = Yes (Universe)
[+] Tracks = Yes (RtS)
[+] Perceptor = Yes (RtS)
[+] Beachcomber = Yes (Univese)
[+] Cosmos = Yes (Universe)
[+] Powerglide = Yes (Universe)
[?] Seaspray = Maybe (re: Sea Spray)
[+] Warpath = Yes (Universe, Generations)
[/] Roadbuster = Yes (Universe)
[/] Whirl = Yes (Classics)
[+] Grimlock = Yes (Classics)
[-] Slag = No
[-] Sludge = No
[-] Snarl = No
[+] Swoop = Yes (Classics)
[-] Camshaft = No
[-] Downshift = Yes (as Generations Drift)^No
[-] Overdrive = No
[-] Powerdasher = No
[-] Shockwave = No
[+] Dirge = Yes (Timelines, Universe)
[+] Ramjet = Yes (Classics)
[+] Thrust = Yes (Timelines)
[+] Astrotrain = Yes (Classics)
[-] Blitzwing = No
[-] Bombshell = No
[-] Kickback = No
[-] Shrapnel = No
[-] Barrage = No
[-] Chop Shop = No
[-] Ransack = No
[-] Venom = No
[/] Devastator = Yes (Classics, as Constructicon Maximus)

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1986
[-] Rodimus Prime = No
[+] Ultra Magnus = Yes (Classics)
[+] Wreck Gar = Yes (RtS)
[+] Blurr = Yes (Generations)
[+] Hot Rod = Yes (Classics)
[+] Kup = Yes (Generations)
[-] Broadside = No
[+] Sandstorm = Yes (Universe) :/
[/] Springer = Yes (Universe) :/
[-] Metroplex = No
[-] Sky Lynx = No
[-] Hubcap = No
[?][/] Outback = Maybe (if you count RtS Fallback)
[-] Pipes = No
[-] Swerve = No
[-] Tailgate = No
[+] Wheelie = Yes (Universe)
[-] Eject = No
[-] Ramhorn = No
[-] Rewind = No
[-] Steeljaw = No
[/] Superion = Yes (Universe)
[+] Silverbolt = Yes (Universe)
[/] Fireflight = Yes (Classics)
[?][/] Defensor = Maybe (if you count Universe)
[/] Blades = Yes (Universe)
[?][/] Hot Spot = Maybe (if you count Hot Zone)
[+] Galvatron = Yes (Universe)
[+] Cyclonus = Yes (Universe)
[+] Scourge = Yes (Generations)
[+] Octane = Yes (Universe Tankor)
[?] Gnaw = Maybe (if you count [R] Timelines Sharkticons)
[/] Trypticon = Yes (Classics)
[R] Runabout = Yes (Timelines, upcoming)
[R] Runamuck = Yes (Timelines, upcoming)
[?][/] Menasor = Maybe (re: Classics, intended to be Motormaster but named Menasor for legal reasons)
[+] Drag Strip = Yes (Universe)
[/] Bruticus = Yes (Universe Bruticus Maximus)
[/] Onslaught also as Universe Legends and [+] Ultra
[-] Predaking = No
[/] Razorclaw = Yes (Universe and[*] Timelines)
[/] Ratbat = Yes (Universe), [?] Maybe (Hasbro reissue)
[-] Reflector = No

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1987
[-] Fortress Maximus = No
[-] Brainstorm = No
[-] Chromedome = No
[+] Hardhead = Yes (Universe)
[-] Highbrow = No
[-] Crosshairs = No
[-] Pointblank = No
[-] Sureshot = No
[-] Cloudraker = No
[-] Fastlane = No
[R] Punch/Counterpunch = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Doublecross = No
[-] Grotusque = No
[-] Repugnus = No
[-] Computron = No
[-] Freeway = No
[?][/] Goldbug = Maybe (if you count RtS Gold Bumblebee)
[-] Rollbar = No
[-] Searchlight = No
[-] Wideload = No
[-] Scorponok = No
[-] Apeface = No
[-] Mindwipe = No
[-] Skullcruncher = No
[-] Snapdragon = No
[r] Weirdwolf = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Misfire = No
[-] Slugslinger = No
[-] Triggerhappy = No
[-] Sixshot = No
[+] Overkill = Yes (Universe)
[-] Slugfest = No
[-] Pounce = No
[-] Wingspan = No
[-] Battletrap = No
[-] Flywheels = No
[-] Abominus = No
[/] Hun-Gurr = Yes (Universe)

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1988
[-] Optimus Prime = No
[-] Getaway = No
[-] Joyride = No
[-] Slapdash = No
[-] Hosehead = No
[r] Nightbeat = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Siren = No
[-] Landfill = No
[-] Quickmix = No
[-] Scoop = No
[-] Catilla = No
[-] Chainclaw = No
[-] Cloudburst = No
[-] Groundbreaker = No
[-] Gunrunner = No
[-] Landmine = No
[-] Sky High = No
[-] Splashdown = No
[-] Waverider = No
[-] Quickswitch = No
[-] Backstreet = No
[-] Dogfight = No
[-] Override = No
[-] Fizzle = No
[-] Sizzle = No
[-] Guzzle = No
[-] Grand Slam = No
[-] Raindance = No
[-] Beastbox = No
[-] Squawktalk = No
[+] Darkwing = Yes (Universe Darkwind)
[R] Dreadwind = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Doubledealer = No
[-] Fangry = No
[-] Horri-Bull = No
[-] Squeezeplay = No
[-] Needlenose = No
[-] Quake = No
[-] Spinister = No
[-] Bomb-Burst = No
[-] Bugly = No
[-] Carnivac = No
[-] Finback = No
[-] Iguanus = No
[-] Roadgrabber = No
[+] Skullgrin = Yes (Generations)
[-] Snarler = No
[-] Submarauder = No
[-] Crankcase = No
[-] Ruckus = No
[-] Windsweeper = No
[-] Cindersaur = No
[-] Flamefeather = No
[-] Sparkstalker = No
[-] Piranacon = No

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1989
[-] Bumblebee = No
[-] Grimlock = No (although Classics Grimlock does have some features that homage Pretender Grimmie)
[-] Jazz = No
[-] Doubleheader = No
[-] Longtooth = No
[-] Pincher = No
[-] Crossblades = No
[-] Vroom = No
[-] Skyhammer = No
[-] Big Shot = No
[r] Flak = Yes (Timelines Wings of Honour)
[-] Sidetrack = No
[-] Sunrunner = No
[-] High Jump = No
[-] Mudslinger = No
[-] Powertrain = No
[-] Tote = No
[-] Freewheeler = No
[-] Roadhandler = No
[-] Swindler = No
[-] Tailspin = No
[-] Fixit = No
[-] Red Hot = No
[-] Seawatch = No
[-] Stakeout = No
[-] Erector = No
[-] Overload = No (Universe Overload is meant to be AEC Overload, not G1)
[-] Hot House = No (although Hasbro Universe Powerglide looks a lot like him)
[-] Ironworks = No
[/] Countdown = Yes (Universe)
[-] Groundshaker = No
[+] Thunderwing = Yes (Generations)
[-] Starscream = No
[?] Bludgeon = Technically no, but apparently at one stage Hasbro did consider using the ROTF Bludgeon mould for Universe (it was originally intended for Unicron Trilogy) but ultimately decided to use it for ROTF
[-] Octopunch = No
[-] Stranglehold = No
[-] Monstructor = No
[-] Roadblock = No
[-] Nightflight = No
[+] Storm Cloud = Yes (Universe)
[-] Tailwind = No
[-] Whisper = No
[-] Blackjack = No
[-] Detour = No
[-] Hyperdrive = No
[-] Roadhugger = No
[-] Flattop = No
[-] Roughstuff = No
[-] Airwave = No
[-] Greasepit = No
[-] Skyhopper = No
[-] Skystalker = No

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1990
I'm only including original Action Master characters and excluding those which are revamps of previous G1 characters (e.g. Optimus Prime, Megatron etc.); with a special exception for Thundercracker
[-] Jackpot = No
[-] Kick-Off = No
[-] Mainframe = No
[-] Over-Run = No
[-] Rad = No
[-] Rollout = No
[-] Skyfall = No
[-] Sprocket = No
[-] Gusher = No
[-] Pipeline = No
[-] Retro = No
[-] Surge = No
[-] Crumble = No
[-] Groundpounder = No
[-] Neutro = No
[-] Takedown = No
[-] Blaze Master = No
[-] Eagle Eye = No
[-] Sky High = No
[/] Tread Bolt = Yes (Universe)
[-] Big Daddy = No
[-] Greaser = No
[-] Hubs = No
[-] Trip-Up = No
[-] Big Hauler = No
[-] Heavy Tread = No
[-] Hydraulic = No
[-] Slow Poke = No
[-] Oiler = No
[-] Power Run = No
[-] Roadburner = No
[-] Slide = No
[-] Strikedown = No
[-] Wheel Blaze = No
[-] Barrage = No
[-] Blastmaster = No
[-] Heave = No
[-] Missilemaster = No
[-] Moonrock = No
[-] Phaser = No
[-] Full-Barrel = No
[-] Overflow = No
[?] Axer = Maybe (if you count Axor, technically movieverse)
[r] Banzai-Tron = Yes (Timelines), [?] Maybe (if you count Banzaitron - technically movieverse)
[-] Gutcruncher = No
[-] Krok = No
[-] Treadshot = No
[-] Bombshock = No
[?] Dropshot = Maybe (if you count Universe Dropshot)
[-] Growl = No
[-] Tracer = No
[-] Barricade = No
[-] Ground Hog = No
[-] Motorhead = No
[-] Roller Force = No
[-] Blackout = No
[-] Spaceshot = No
[-] Meltdown = No
[-] Half-Track = No
[-] Direct-Hit = No
[-] Powerpunch = No
[-] Fireshot = No
[-] Vanquish = No
[-] Excavator = No
[-] Grit = No
[-] Hammer = No
[-] Knockout = No
[-] Sledge = No
[-] Stonecruncher = No
[-] Cement-Head = No
[-] Terror-Tread = No

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1991
[-] Powerflash = No
[-] Circuit = No
[-] Rumbler = No
[-] Omega Spreem = No
[-] Windmill = No
[-] Gripper = No
[-] Flame = No
[-] Lightspeed = No
[-] Charger = No
[r] Slicer = Yes (Timelines Decepticon Slice)
[R] Thundercracker = Yes (Timelines Shattered Glass)
[r] Double Punch = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Turbo Master = No
[-] Overlord = No

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1992
[-] Boss = No
[-] Flash = No
[-] Hurricane = No
[-] Rotorstorm = No
[R] Scorch = Yes (BotCon Turbomaster)
[r] Thunder Clash = Yes (Timelines Wings of Honour)
[-] Autobot Rescue Force "Drillhorn" = No
[-] Autobot Rescue Force "Jalgar" = No
[-] Autobot Rescue Force "Killbison" = No
[-] Autobot Rescue Force "Leozack" = No
[-] Falcon = No
[-] Skydive = No
[r] Skyquake = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Snare = No
[-] Stalker = No
[-] Talon = No
[-] "Bonecrusher" = No
[-] "Hook" = No
[-] "Long Haul" = No
[-] "Mixmaster" = No
[-] "Scavenger" = No
[-] "Scrapper" = No

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1993 (G1)
[R] Pyro/Spark = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Deftwing = No
[-] Ironfist = No
[-] Aquafend = No
[-] Deluge = No
[-] Jetstorm = No
[-] Speedstream = No
[+] Rapido = Yes (Timelines
[-] Skram = No
[-] Turbofire = No
[-] Windbreaker = No
[R] Colossus/Clench = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Calcar = No
[-] Hawk/Eagle Eye = No
[-] Snipe/Afterburner = No
[-] Terradive = No
[-] Tornado/Windrazor = No
[-] Aquablast = No
[-] Drench = No
[-] Hydradread = No
[-] Rage = No

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1993 (G2)
[-] Optimus Prime = Probably not (I personally consider Ultimate Battle Optimus Prime as Classics "G2" Prime)
[-] Inferno = No
[-] Jazz = No
[R] Sideswipe = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Drench = No
[-] Gobots = No
[-] Grimlock = No
[-] Slag = No
[-] Snarl = No
[-] Beachcomber = No
[-] Bumblebee = No
[-] Hubcap = No
[-] Seaspray = No
[+] Megatron = Yes (Ultimate Battles, Universe)
[-] Deluge = No
[-] Jetstorm = No
[-] Devastator = No
[R] Ramjet = Yes (Timelines)
[-] Starscream = No

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1994
[-] Optimus Prime = No
[-] Superion = No
[-] Electro = No
[-] Volt = No
[-] Leadfoot = No
[-] Manta Ray = No
[-] Megatron = No
[-] Bruticus = No
[-] Jolt = No
[-] Sizzle = No
[-] Powerdive = No
[-] Ransack = No
[r] Dreadwing = Yes (Tokyo Toy Show 2010 exclusive)
[r] Smokescreen = Yes (Tokyo Toy Show 2010 exclusive)
[R] Breakdown = Yes (BotCon 2010 exclusive)

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1995
[+] Laser Optimus Prime = Yes (Reveal the Shield)
[/] Air Raid = Yes (Classics)
[/] Skydive = Yes (Universe)
[-] Jetfire = No
[R] Strafe = Yes (Gentei! Gentei!)
[-] Blowout = No
[-] Bumblebee = No
[-] Double Clutch = No
[-] Firecracker = No
[-] Gearhead = No
[-] High Beam = No
[-] Ironhide (Go-Bot) = No
[-] Mirage = No
[-] Motormouth = No
[-] Optimus Prime (Go-Bot) = No
[-] Sideswipe = No
[-] Road Rocket = No
[-] Ironhide (Power Master) = No
[-] Meanstreak (Power Master) = No
[-] Dirtbag = No
[-] Roadblock = No
[-] Hooligan = No
[+] Skyjack = Yes (Universe Skyfall)
[-] Frenzy (Go-Bot) = No
[-] Megatron (Go-Bot) = No
[-] Soundwave (Go-Bot) = No
[-] Road Pig = No
[-] Bulletbike = No
[-] Staxx = No

[tinyJazz]

Some people consider these stand ins:

[-] Gears = No ROTF Gears it's rubbish lol
[+] Huffer = Yes (Timelines) :/ and PCC Huffer?
[-] Soundwave = No Device Label MP3 player
[-] Blaster = No Device Label Laptop
[-] Roadbuster = No TRU Comic 2 pack Universe repaint, comes with dirge I think.
[-] Outback = No RTS Outback

I wouldn't say no to a proper upgrade though.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, I'm not counting "stand ins". You're right about Roadbuster though! (I used to have this toy too!) -- amended.

[tinyJazz]

oops! That should be RTS Fallback lol. You don't think he should be counted?

[Paulbot]

Whirl & Trypticon had legends in the first Classics line. Blaster in the Universe 2.0 line is meant to be the classic Blaster character.

I agree on Fallback being Outback (RTS is a Classics line, and the BotCon Timelines version is meant to be Outback too). And going with BotCon toys G1 Laserbeak and Buzzsaw have updated figures too.

At a bit more of a stretch the Universe Micromaster Defensor could be consider. Ok it far more than a "bit" of a stretch.

[Golden Phoenix]

Drag Strip and Overkill were released as Universe Special Editions.

Hot Spot was released as Hot Zone in the Titaniums line but that wave was also branded Universe. Even if you don't count that one, there was also a Classics Legends figure released in a 5 pack with several other figures. One of them being Razorclaw, who is also missing.

Razorclaw had that previously mentioned Classics Legends figure and a Timelines release.

Thundercracker was also released in Generations.

[fatbot]

(from here)



[-] Swerve = No

Swerve has been updated into the classicverse, just into a radically different form.
http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Swerve/swerve.htm

[GoktimusPrime]

I do count SeaSpray, yes, so does Hasbro, and so would a LOT of potential newbies reading this list.

Yes, this is the bias comes from, from every person (obviously myself included), but for SeaSpray, we have Word Of God from Hasbro, and IDW G1 appearances.

Hasbro sometimes counts Sea Spray as G1. Other times they count him as Movieverse as evidenced by his tech specs bio -- written by Hasbro!

And IDW comics have also placed Sea Spray in movie continuity too - re: "United For The Universe" #2, Chapter 3 "Bludgeon's Revenge".

Two canonical sources that place Sea Spray in the movie universe. The main supporting evidence for Sea Spray has come from Hasbro Q&A. Also, please refresh my memory -- precisely which IDW issue did Sea Spray appear as a G1 character?

Anyway, the fact remains that there are official sources which direct Sea Spray as G1 and as movieverse... so it seems that the "Word of God" (as you put it) is rather contradictory on this issue.

If you're not counting him, then we should get rid of Ratchet and Ironhide, who don't look much like THEIR original toys either...

Irrelevant. Sea Spray and Bludgeon's dubious status has nothing to do with their visual aesthetics, but more to do with how official sources have classified these toys. e.g. Bludgeon has clearly marketed Bludgeon as a ROTF toy - however the argument of authorial intent can make his classification dubious. Sea Spray has been marketed as a movieverse toy (though not as clearly as Bludgeon - remember that the tech spec bios are part of the toy's marketing) -- both characters have also been portrayed as being part of the movie universe by officially sanctioned continuity, however again the argument of authorial intent can create ambiguity, and in Sea Spray's case, also comments from Hasbro Q&A also creates further dispute.

Universe/Henkei Ironhide and Ratchet on the other hand have - AFAIK - never had any canonical material that places them outside of the Neo-G1 continuity (e.g. putting them in movieverse continuity). In fact, the Henkei! Henkei! manga series (two different series) places them in Neo-G1 continuity. I've yet to see any canonical or marketing material or statement from HasTak that states otherwise and contradicts this. If you can show me such material then I will consider reclassifying them.

Lugnut and Drift also have the Generations manga that was commissioned by TakTom. This firmly places Drift and Lugnut in Classicsverse, along with Grapple, etc.

I was never disputing this. Please re-read my comment about these characters again.

Opinion is one thing, but you're ignoring multiple canonical sources here, along with what the wishes of the average collector would be:- to know that that SeaSpray exists, and is there as a viable upgrade for G1 SeaSpray, ala Powerglide, and is intended as such.

1. The wishes of any collector is based on personal bias. After all, a lot of fans believe in FIRRIB, yet it's technically incorrect for the toyline (and majority of G1 media) - including Classicsverse (United Frumble are RIRFIB).

2. As I've said before, if I wanted to ignore other people's opinions and multiple canonical sources, then I would never have bothered making the [?] category - instead simply choosing to classify Sea Spray and Bludgeon in the [-] category (which is how I personally categorise them). As I've said before, the entire reason why the [?] category exists is to cater for differing opinions.

Swerve has been updated into the classicverse, just into a radically different form.
http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Swerve/swerve.htm

Hmmm... TFwiki classifies this toy/character as part of Universe 1.0 and not Universe 2.0 -- I'm guessing this is because of the Universe 1.0 font they used on his instruction booklet.

Ummm... I'll classify him as [?]