on the t hub again so hard to type but i think u misunderstood me gok. by getting hit in class i did not mean kids getting snotted. look at boxing, muay thai and mma classes. use protective equipment....unless they are meat heads lol. this still allows reasonable contact to be made without injury and law suits. students usually arent thrown in the deep end either.

i didn,t say traditional martial arts are ineffective, i said in an earlier post that any style can be made to work if trained right, which is my point. it is pretty fair to say alot of traditional schools dont train in a way that prepares students for real violence. and yes some sport styles are guilty of this to but it would be a minority as their very nature dictates students learn to hit properly, get hit and lots of hard sparring.

i agree that traditional styles would have been very effective back in the day but few if any train like they did back then. they werent worried about law suits from students they were worr about dieing and the training would have been gruelling. now with the commercialisation of martial arts and it becomming a busiess ppl are more likely to make things easier to retain students and boost revenue but preach they teach the methods of old.