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Wow. What's with all the Bay haters? I'm so tired of hearing how "Michael Bay ruined my childhood memories" blah blah blah. AGH it drives me insane. You should be thanking him for bringing in so much money to the franchise that it will continue strong for many more years.
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It continued strong for twenty-three years without him and will continue strong well after Bay blows himself up.
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You'll just have to suffer another Bay movie then! :-P AND you'll get to suffer another movie that sequels whatever Lord Bay makes for us.
So you don't like Bay's work? Tell me it's worse than Beast Machines and it's "magnificent" ending. LOL
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Compared to the end of Dark Of The Moon, a one-second final 'battle' where Optimus Prime kills Megatron in cold oil? Every Bay film so far has been leagues worse than Beast Machines. Compared to ROTF and DOTM, Beast Machines is a masterpiece. I have watched Beast Machines through from beginning to end several times and have never been able to stomach a Bay movie more than once. Beast Machines is intelligent, philosophical and actually about Transfomers, whereas the Bay movies are about humans and bodily functions.
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So, it's less bad (well, actually not really) than what's widely acknowledged to be one of the worst plot points in TF lore, so it must be good?
By that reasoning, getting kicked is the balls in less bad than having terminal cancer, so you must like getting kicked in the balls. I mean, c'mon, tell me it's worse than getting terminal cancer.
But, you inadvertently raise a fair point: it's all too easy to hate on Bayformers without having a good reason or twelve. Here's a few of mine.
1: The designs are ugly.
They really are. I'll pay that something like this just wouldn't cut it for a live-action movie, but then neither does the shattered-mirror-crossed-with-a-cockroach-crossed-with-a-porcupine-crossed-with-vomit Bay look IMO.
2: They're poorly written.
I don't need Shakespeare from a TF movie, but basic plot consistency would be nice. Or even just a little characterisation, like say "Oh no, Sentinel Prime just killed my oldest friend Ironhide. I, Optimus Prime, am sad about this."
Just give me a decent action flick about transforming robots who fight each other, and a decent accompanying toyline, and that's all I ask. Here's the plot for Bay, already written:
That's it. That's all you need for a Transformers movie.There are two races of alien transforming robots, the good Autobots and the evil Decepticons. They're on Earth for some reason, maybe because they need energy or something. They fight.
As things stand, even Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt had a better story.
3: Stupid toilet humour.
The irony of my listing this as a con after linking to a Panty and Stocking clip isn't lost on me, but...you don't need it, and it detracts from the movies. Or at least it would, if they weren't crap.
4: The female leads are just eye candy.
OK, actually I don't mind this one. That said, it'd be nice to see a female lead who was more than just eye candy, and maybe one who could act.
4: Michael Bay has stupid-looking hair.
5: Not enough robot airtime.
See the quote above. Robots fighting. That's what I want to see in a Transformers movie. Not "Same and Mikaela run through a desert", not "AHAHAHAH DER FUNNY SMALL ROBOT IS HUMPING DER HOT CHICK LEG", just robots + fight.
I could go on (and on), but the simple fact is they're not very good movies, even for the mindless action flicks they are. I'm just glad we get a few decent toys out of it.
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I'm not gonna answer ALL this hate but I will give you a few facts and some opinions.
*4th highest grossing film to date
*Bayformers are so ugly because they don't look like G1? G1 was kick arse, in the 80's and 90's when I was a kid. I really like te realistic look of Bayformers (minus the horror that is starscream)
*You can't tell me there weren't huge inconsistencies in all the cartoons (ie Megatron made the Constructicons who made Megatron)
*There are many TF universes where a lot of different stuff happens, in one Unicron has conquered basically everything.... So how is that Transformers
*I think DOTM was well written. Sure there's toilet humour but kids love that. I'd have liked to see Optimus get sad over Ironhides death... But he didn't seem too phased in the 86 movie about it. Granted he did only have a short while to live. While I'm on that movie (which I love) where the f%#k did Hot Rod come from.... and why did he get te matrix! And why did they make out Ultra Magnus to be such a wimpy easy kill when he's supposed to be this bad ass leader of the wreckers?
Anyway that'll do us for the minute as I'm already late for work.
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DOTM poll currently says that over 73% of our members think DOTM is good to excellent.... :-)
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Hmmm... this thread is like a 'wash, rinse, repeat' of the TF2 and TF3 movie announcementsHaters will always hate
Face it; you're all going to see it anyway which is going to contribute to Bays already fat wallet and the reason why he keeps coming back for more. You're all sending him mixed messages and in fact are contributing to the very problem you argue so vehemently about.
Time to move on people...
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Thanks for the facts and opinions.Here are some more.
See, I don't hate Michael Bay or Bayformers. I dislike them. There's a big difference, namely that Bay and Bayformers are a movie director and series of toys/movie characters. Put simply, they're just toys and a few movies, and thus not important enough to hate.
If Michael Bay was a genocidal dictator who'd kicked my dog and slept with my girlfriend, then maybe I'd hate him. As it is I just don't like it.*Titanic is the second-highest grossing film of all time, and I didn't like that either.
*IMO Bayformers aren't ugly because they're not G1, they're ugly because they're ugly in their own right. They're spiky and insectoid, with faces that look like Munsch tried drawing a pug's behind while wearing broken glasses. It is possible to do figures that don't look G1-esque but don't resemble Freddy Kreuger and Edward Scissorhands putting on a sock puppet show.
For the record, I really liked the Animated designs, am quite enjoying the Prime look, and reckon the new WFC stuff (mostly) looks pretty sweet too. Not very G1esque, but still good IMO.
Which is, y'know, just my opinion. You don't have to agree with it, we're allowed to like different things.
*True, the G1 'toon had terrible consistency too. What that means is that they're both bad in terms of consistency. One bad thing does not another bad thing good make.
*See above. Transformers series in general aren't exactly a masterpiece of storytelling, being basically just big toy commercials. I've just come up with my own personal backstory/universe.
*I think it was terribly written. But it's OK, we can chill out over this. We're allowed to have different opinions. That's why you're one of the 71% who voted good/excellent and I'm not.
I think the other points can be explained by Optimus not knowing about Ironhide's death specifically and being in the middle of a massive battle at the time, and Ultra Magnus being the leader of the Wreckers in a different continuity stream (namely not the G1 cartoon). Hot Rod I assume was created by a wizard, like all the cartoon Movie and post-Movie TFs.
Gotta go to work myself. Hope we can continue this in a nice, friendly manner later - it's been fun so far.
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