The Greatest Non-G1 Legacy Transformers Ever (2012 Update.)

[Seraphim Prime]

Definite new additions so far:
Even though Knock Out and Blackout are controversial, I think they come close to not being G1 legacy characters, since it's name reuse of completely different G1 toys who had no notable history or canonical appearances.

The counter to that argument is that BW Inferno, BW Megatron, and BW Optimus also fit those descriptions, but have previously been considered invalid.

[Sky Shadow]

Even though Knock Out and Blackout are controversial, I think they come close to not being G1 legacy characters, since it's name reuse of completely different G1 toys who had no notable history or canonical appearances.

The counter to that argument is that BW Inferno, BW Megatron, and BW Optimus also fit those descriptions, but have previously been considered invalid.

Except that G1 Inferno, Megatron and Optimus have notable history and canonical appearances - G1 Knockout and Blackout do not.

[Paulbot]

I suggested Slipstream last time and you didn't agree, but now I'm thinking that maybe she doesn't fit the rules. Despite the Animated character and WFC/Prime cypher(s), she's still based on one solely on being a version of one of the most of the iconic of the G1 toys, with the colours of a repaint of another G1 toy.

I wonder if to be eligible for "Greatest" status, the character should be one that's lived on beyond their original series and been homaged or recreated in subsequent series/toylines the way G1 characters most often are? (So Bulkhead, Blackarachnia, The Fallen, Sky-Byte, Lockdown etc count but Drift, Mudflap, Razorbeast don't)

[Sky Shadow]

I suggested Slipstream last time and you didn't agree, but now I'm thinking that maybe she doesn't fit the rules. Despite the Animated character and WFC/Prime cypher(s), she's still based on one solely on being a version of one of the most of the iconic of the G1 toys, with the colours of a repaint of another G1 toy.

I wonder if to be eligible for "Greatest" status, the character should be one that's lived on beyond their original series and been homaged or recreated in subsequent series/toylines the way G1 characters most often are? (So Bulkhead, Blackarachnia, The Fallen, Sky-Byte, Lockdown etc count but Drift, Mudflap, Razorbeast don't)

The Slipstream thing is true and I'd forgotten that. And the second bit might be right too - maybe we're need to split this into two different things:

1. Characters not mired in G1 who have made a mark, like Razorbeast.
2. Characters not mired in G1 who have started their own legacy, like Bulkhead.

(As Paulbot knows, the point of this originally was to see which popular characters and Transformer archetypes aren't G1-based, and who maybe the franchise should continue to focus on and develop rather than... like... Bumblebee.)

[GoktimusPrime]

I'd like to nominate Cybertron Shortround. The extended toy bio states that he collects transforming robot toys... i.e. a Transformer who collects Transformers! =D

[i_amtrunks]

On the back of Paulbot's thoughts, Slipstream was a poor offer, she did only have a small part to play and was only a fragment or characteristic of a character who was dripping in G1 legacy: Starscream.

Was there any reason the Build team (I know they had Grimlock and other names amongst them in the English dub) and the rail racer Car Robots combiners were overlooked? Not enough defining time in their series?

[GoktimusPrime]

Was there any reason the Build team (I know they had Grimlock and other names amongst them in the English dub) and the rail racer Car Robots combiners were overlooked? Not enough defining time in their series?

Team Bullet Train's been mentioned. Good pick with the Buildmasters though, I do think they are definitely unique in their own right (and besides, their original Car Robot names weren't recycled G1 names ).

[i_amtrunks]

Team Bullet Train's been mentioned. Good pick with the Buildmasters though, I do think they are definitely unique in their own right (and besides, their original Car Robot names weren't recycled G1 names ).

IMHO being the first two combiner teams since the G1 cartoon to appear in official media as repeat characters is pretty important. having the Build team be a young inexperienced team looking to prove themselves makes a point of difference as well.