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    Actually, I'm inclined to agree with theshape here. Post G1 toys won't appreciate nearly as well as G1 even after the same amount of time. I think the reason for this is that in the 1980s and early 90s, almost everyone collecting Transformers were children... and I didn't know _anyone_ who kept their toys sealed as a kid! The fact that the core appeal of a Transformer is in its transformation and marvelling at how it changes between modes, it meant that way less people were likely to keep these toys sealed unlike say vintage Star Wars figures.

    When Beast Wars came along, those of us who grew up with G1 were in our late teens and twenties; high schoolers and uni students. So first of all, it meant that we had more money than we did as children in the 80s - many of us were working part time student jobs or even full time apprenticeships and trades, and by time RiD, Armadaverse and other lines came along, the children of the 80s had already well and truly joined the workforce. So increased levels of disposable income meant that we were able to buy the toys that we wanted, so we don't really have these "holes" in our post-G1 collections.

    The other thing is, as the children of the 80s entered adulthood after G1/G2, there would have been an increasing number of people becoming sealed collectors. For me, in 1997 - as a university student - I bought my first spare set of Transformers to keep sealed. It was CD ROM Convobat Vs Megalligator. That toy was an absolute beeotch to find... hard enough to find one for myself, let alone for other collectors outside Japan that I was running around and buying Transformers for! And after I'd bought all the CD ROM vs sets that people had asked me to buy... I remember finding another one, so I quickly bought it and till this day it remains sealed. I would never have done that as a kid.

    I reckon post G1 TFs would have lower demand but increased supply on the secondary market compared to G1 TFs. But who knows... kids who grew up w/ Beast Wars would be in their early 20s now, so a lot of them would be TAFE/uni students or just starting in the workforce... basically, where we were when Beast Wars came out. So maybe this it the time for Hasbro to tap into this market as they're now starting to have more disposable income - more so than us because they're young enough not to be burdened with other financial responsibilities like mortgages and families. Seriously... I think Takara was really smart in unleashing so many G1 reissues in the 00s, because that's when we had that spending power to just buy them! If Hasbro wants to tap into the kids who grew up with BW, I think now is the time to strike while the iron's getting hot. Earlier this year I brought BW Inferno with me to Smash!, and a young 19 year old Canadian came up to me and got all excited (in the same way that people of our age would when seeing a G1 TF - made me feel old ). I talked to him about how the Canadian BW franchise, like how it was called Beasties instead of Beast Wars, and he was like, "That's right!" and I see him being hit by a "Nostalgia Tsunami" He thought I'd bought the toy from the con and asked me where he could get one, but I told him that I'd brought it from home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5FDP View Post
    Maybe I read into your comment too much that 'movie toys won't appreciate well' thinking you were referring to the entire line I was just pointing out that some already have
    There is always some that do in any line, the thing is that how many actually do and how many don't. It is safe to say that most movie toys don't appreciate much along with other mainstream lines like A/E/C with some exceptions. It's not just me being biased to lines I don't like as I am also aware that Beast Wars 10th anniversary did not appreciate much yet I didn't mind and collected that line.


    Today's toys will be the vintage toys of tomorrow. Well, maybe not tomorrow, but in 30 years time they will be There will always be someone looking to reacquire the toys that they had as a kid so the demand will be there. In the grand scheme of things, the movies were, for better or worse, huge and big money spinners for Hasbro. We already know that there were people like us 30 years ago collecting Transformers for the mere purpose of leaving them in the box, hence so many MISB samples being sold on eBay. Perhaps it wasn't as common as it is now (or as popular as we know it to be thanks to the internet and fan fourms), but there will always be a demand for vintage toys. But yeah, market saturation will also determine their worth because rare items will always appreciate more (sorry to anyone that stocked-up on movie Bumblebees for their retirement fund ).
    Something being old or rare does not necessarily mean that it will appreciate. It needs to have demand as well. As awesome and highly sought after as the G1 line is, there are still some of the toys that haven't appreciated much or at all like the Firecons and Jumpstarters.

    Time will tell what actually appreciates and what doesn't but personally speaking, I reckon that movie toys (but a few) will gradually fall to the 'forgotten' bin as time passes. I don't see much enthusiasm for them anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    As awesome and highly sought after as the G1 line is, there are still some of the toys that haven't appreciated much or at all like the Firecons and Jumpstarters.
    There is a reason for that - both the Firecons and Jumpstarters were extremely simple toys that were marketed around a gimmick. It is hard to find either of these toys with their mechanisms intact which affects their value greatly. Not to mention that they were both made in ridiculous quantities and never featured in the cartoon so they shelf-warmed badly. To quote the Transformers Wiki "Jumpstarters were made in sufficient numbers to fill the toy boxes of the entire known universe." If both toys were short-packed and in limited quantities, it may have been a different story today.
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    G1 toys also break easy, especially the desirable Diaclone cars. So while many had them, many now want what they had then, not now, ie unbroken pieces.

    And seeing as this is thread drift, could we maybe take it to its own thread?

    This whole topic is just not good (the original article, not it being shared here) and well, I for one would like to see it die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5FDP View Post
    There is a reason for that - both the Firecons and Jumpstarters were extremely simple toys that were marketed around a gimmick. It is hard to find either of these toys with their mechanisms intact which affects their value greatly. Not to mention that they were both made in ridiculous quantities and never featured in the cartoon so they shelf-warmed badly. To quote the Transformers Wiki "Jumpstarters were made in sufficient numbers to fill the toy boxes of the entire known universe." If both toys were short-packed and in limited quantities, it may have been a different story today.
    Yeah I know why but my point is that despite their age, Jumpstarters are not really sought after and therefore do not appreciate much in value.

    The firecons and sparkabots are not that easy to find, specially in good condition but once you do, they don't cost much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    Yeah I know why but my point is that despite their age, Jumpstarters are not really sought after and therefore do not appreciate much in value.
    Ahhhh... I see, you're actually agreeing with me that due an over-supply of them (Jumpstarters), supply outweighed demand resulting in low appreciation values today which is what we could have with movie Bumblebee in years to come which I covered back in my initial post. Glad we got that sorted And here was I thinking I was sitting on a nice little nest-egg

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    Yeah I know why but my point is that despite their age, Jumpstarters are not really sought after and therefore do not appreciate much in value.

    The firecons and sparkabots are not that easy to find, specially in good condition but once you do, they don't cost much.
    Maybe compared to other G1 TF's they haven't appreciated much but I'm sure if you compare a MISP Firecon price today to what they cost off the shelf ($2.95 on sale I think) They would have appreciated quite a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1orion2many View Post
    Maybe compared to other G1 TF's they haven't appreciated much but I'm sure if you compare a MISP Firecon price today to what they cost off the shelf ($2.95 on sale I think) They would have appreciated quite a bit
    Perhaps but keep inflation in mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    Perhaps but keep inflation in mind
    This much inflation http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Transform...-/120964705959

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