Universe Armada Minicon Pack

[dirge]

Typically lazy? I think not.

Dude... have you ever looked at some of the Universe repaints? Take Razorclaw for example. They stripped him of chrome, changed allegiances without worrying about the logo on his chest and sold him for the same price despite the loss of chrome.

These Mini-Con molds were never intended for the 2006 Classics line, but like the Real Gear Robots, they were originally made for the Cybertron Mini-Con 2 packs (that's why some teams were a little weird). So in terms of continuity they were originally intended to be Unicron Trilogy toys.

Guess what - they're not Unicron Trilogy toys. It's not like these toys appeared in Armada - in fact they were first released several years _after_ Armada. So calling them Armada when they're now Classics moulds just doesn't work.

You don't see people referring to the unreleased G2 Spychanger moulds (Daytonus) etc as G2 toys, do you? They're associated with RiD.

Since Mini-Cons are representative of the Armada era, they go under the Armada subtitle in Universe.

Yes, but only because there's no pride in 95% of Hasbro's repaints

[FFN]

Dude... have you ever looked at some of the Universe repaints? Take Razorclaw for example. They stripped him of chrome, changed allegiances without worrying about the logo on his chest and sold him for the same price despite the loss of chrome.

Yes, but only because there's no pride in 95% of Hasbro's repaints

Then its fortunate that the early Universe (2003) line was not actually done by Hasbro's Transformers team.

Much of Hasbro's redecos in the past five years have been more or less similar to Takara's, and I challenge you not to find heart in the redecos Joe Kyde does.

Guess what - they're not Unicron Trilogy toys. It's not like these toys appeared in Armada - in fact they were first released several years _after_ Armada. So calling them Armada when they're now Classics moulds just doesn't work.

You don't see people referring to the unreleased G2 Spychanger moulds (Daytonus) etc as G2 toys, do you? They're associated with RiD.

Doesn't matter. Thematically Mini-Cons are associated with Armada (given that's where they mostly appeared in), just as Energon stuff is associated with Energon and Cyber Keys are with Cybertron. Given how successful the Armada line was (in spite of collector hatred), it would be safe to assume that there is a large portion of the public that still associate Mini-Cons with Transformers Armada.

[GoktimusPrime]

That's a matter of preferencial perception - the fact is that they're not part of the Armada line. Just as Universe Razorclaw, Nemesis Prime and Depth Charge are not part of the Beast Wars line.

[Demonac]

I don't consider the 'classics' "minicons" to even be minicons.
They don't have the molded minicon insignia on them.

[MV75]

Who really cares though? Minicons suck the biggest arse, and the only set not to are the cybertron minicon recon team.

I've got all of the minicon sets released through cybertron, so I have a pretty good idea on how to rate them. And yea, the combiner/weapon ones are the worst for falling to bits.
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[dirge]

Then its fortunate that the early Universe (2003) line was not actually done by Hasbro's Transformers team.

If they were, you have to wonder who sewed their eyes shut

Much of Hasbro's redecos in the past five years have been more or less similar to Takara's, and I challenge you not to find heart in the redecos Joe Kyde does.

Oh yeah, Kyde's repaints are great. It's a shame that the remainder of them are so uninspired.

[GoktimusPrime]

I consider the Classics Minicons to be just that - Classics Minicons (i.e.: that they are Mini-Cons and part of the Classics line). It's as simple as that. Similar to how a lot of people would still classify the Universe Micromaster gestalts as Micromasters even though Hasbro didn't specifically call them that during Universe and at the same time they're not technically part of G1 (they're essentially reissues repackaged and in cases repainted). Also, official canon makes the Classics Minicons part of the Classics universe (which takes place as an alternate off shoot from the G1 comics instead of Generation 2), clearly portraying them as being in a different continuity from the Armadaverse.

[roller]

I consider the Classics Minicons to be just that - Classics Minicons (i.e.: that they are Mini-Cons and part of the Classics line). It's as simple as that. Similar to how a lot of people would still classify the Universe Micromaster gestalts as Micromasters even though Hasbro didn't specifically call them that during Universe and at the same time they're not technically part of G1 (they're essentially reissues repackaged and in cases repainted). Also, official canon makes the Classics Minicons part of the Classics universe (which takes place as an alternate off shoot from the G1 comics instead of Generation 2), clearly portraying them as being in a different continuity from the Armadaverse.

Exactly, read "Games of Deception" for the origin of the "Classics" minicons

[STL]

Exactly, read "Games of Deception" for the origin of the "Classics" minicons

I've read it but for the life of me, I can't remember.

- STL, surprised by how much conversation Mini-Cons can start

[kup]

The Classics comic is rather poor but the minicon bit at the end involving the Last Autobot is rather interesting. A shame that it omits G2 and Marvel UK though.

Now, as discussed to death, yeah those Minicons do not belong in the Armada verse, nameslapping them like that is a typical Archer/Hasbro lazy move.

Its not a good thing when people accept everything a company does no matter how bad or lazy as it doesn't encourage them to improve. Hasbro knows that the majority of fans are accepting their stuff like candy no matter how bad and that is why they are unashamedly lazy on repaints and the quality of their products.

The Animated line is an example of this lazy 'uninterested' approach that Hasbro has and I am not referring about the style, design or cartoon. It was a real shame that a 'Repair Guide' had to be produced within the same week the toys were released in the US.