Classics/Universe canon

[dirge]

It is simple marketing at the end of the day. Beast Machines toys were yesterday's news.

So you want to claim this while defending Hasbro's right to sell Minicons as Armada in 2008? Armada is past being yesterday's news - it was last on the shelves five years ago. An eight year old would have been three then, and in the five years since, we've had MiniCons in most Transformers lines. So if BM was yesterday's news after one year, then what does that make Armada?



You're entitled to defend Hasbro's right to not take pride in their products. But you may want to reconsider presenting contradictory arguments at the same time. It'll make your case a lot stronger.

[Paulbot]

The way I see it is that 2006 Classics has a story: an alternate what happened next following from the US Marvel Comic.

IMO, 2008 Universe on the otherhand continues the Universe storyline of Transformers from alternate realities being plucked out of their regular time and space and fighting alongside/against each other. (Like Marvel Comic's Exiles series). Therefore you have Minicons plucked out of the Armada universe, you have Roadbuster and Dirge plucked out of Marvel UK, Ratbat and Springer from Dreamwave War Within, and Prowl, Sunstreaker and the other new 'classics' from a G1 Universe (whichever one it is), and eventually characters like Cheetor and Hot Shot also coming through.

[kup]

The way I see it is that 2006 Classics has a story: an alternate what happened next following from the US Marvel Comic.

IMO, 2008 Universe on the otherhand continues the Universe storyline of Transformers from alternate realities being plucked out of their regular time and space and fighting alongside/against each other. (Like Marvel Comic's Exiles series). Therefore you have Minicons plucked out of the Armada universe, you have Roadbuster and Dirge plucked out of Marvel UK, Ratbat and Springer from Dreamwave War Within, and Prowl, Sunstreaker and the other new 'classics' from a G1 Universe (whichever one it is), and eventually characters like Cheetor and Hot Shot also coming through.

That's how Roller likes to think of it and it would be good if it were official but Hasbro themselves have said that this new Universe series is completly different to the original Universe line so this form of thinking is officially incorrect. Archer himself have said that the line has several continuities which have absolutely nothing to do with each other so there isn't one over arching story line engulfing them all like the original Universe line.

Those minicons in the Universe set officially belong to the Timelines continuity which have ZERO to do with Armada so its pretty much as careless stuff up on their end.

[roller]

That's how Roller likes to think of it and it would be good if it were official but Hasbro themselves have said that this new Universe series is completly different to the original Universe line so this form of thinking is officially incorrect. Archer himself have said that the line has several continuities which have absolutely nothing to do with each other so there isn't one over arching story line engulfing them all like the original Universe line.

Those minicons in the Universe set officially belong to the Timelines continuity which have ZERO to do with Armada so its pretty much as careless stuff up on their end.

I didn't know that Hasbro said that. Is this some kind of twisted joke? I mean really, your launching a new line with similiar designs as last years "Classics" and your going to use the same name as a completely different series?!?!!!! What the heck?! Did Hasbro ever give a reason as to why they didnt continue using the "Classics" title?

This is ridiculous, there are 2 lines called 'Universe' and they are completely different continuities from each other?!!! Who came up with this stupid idea?

Why didnt they come up with a new name?!? Idiots!

[Pulse]

This is ridiculous, there are 2 lines called 'Universe' and they are completely different continuities from each other?!!! Who came up with this stupid idea?

& we can all blame:



:l

[kup]

I am sorry Roller, but that man holding the Movie Prime in Pulse's pic did say the following:

Universe is not a storyline unto itself. It is a compilation of stories.

You can read all about it here:

http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=9351

[TheDirtyDigger]

& we can all blame:



:l

I've got that shirt!

[STL]

I like fiction as much as the next bloke here but really, I don't think Hasbro even give a rat's @$$ about the fiction. These are homages to pre-existing characters. It's as simple as that and the fiction is purely secondary. Treat them as you will, really. No one's right, no one's wrong and Hasbro don't even give a crap. Applying hypothesis01 means jack all no matter what fiction your trying to tenuously stick it onto.

The artists use the molds in their work b/c they like them. To them, as to us, they're awesome representations of classic characters.

[dirge]

I've got that shirt!

So then we can all blame you!

I don't think Hasbro even give a rat's @$$ about the fiction.

This is true. To be honest, I'm not so much concerned that Hasbro do _everything_ "right" - they'll never do it exactly the way I want it, and I can deal with that. Takara don't either (case in point, we still don't have a BT Ironhide... instead we got Broadblast). And obviously if they can't totally please one fan, they'll never 100% please the entire fandom. I don't expect either company to produce perfection every time, but I do lament a lack of effort & pride in a lot of the stuff produced by Hasbro.

[roller]

you seem to be right STL

but still

its stupid, 2 lines called Universe and they are both officially not related.

I shall not cease to object to this stupidity